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satanic splash-back posted:That's strange because every one of my character's skills have exact damage numbers and percentage of base damage visible on them (turn on advanced tooltips) those numbers are sorta fake
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Stanley Pain posted:Umm no. Software development doesn't really work like that. Especially when it comes to games. If you want to compare games that have years of "live" development vs. something that just launch, that's fine but people will call you out on it because it is , in fact, not a fair comparison. Stanley Pain posted:That being said, D4 is way better than D3 ever was at any point.
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Jul 13, 2023 20:41
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The developer teams are completely different
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satanic splash-back posted:That's strange because every one of my character's skills have exact damage numbers and percentage of base damage visible on them (turn on advanced tooltips) But that's not the damage they do lol
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Quote-Unquote posted:The Raiment of the Infinite unique chest absolutely slaps for lightning sorcerer when paired with boots that give you 3 extra dodges and the teleport enchantment that turns dodge into teleport. I do like 300% damage to stunned enemies and raiment sucks enemies in and stuns on teleport - and this includes dodge teleport. Raiment is incredible but not for lightning sorc, it's the primo unique for Blizzard sorc because of how the ice spikes on Blizzard can crit and how enemies pulled onto one stack will explode consecutively for ridiculous amounts of damage with the Shatter key passive. Also the Raiment is great for staggering bosses because the teleports have a stun so they add to stagger meter, usually you can sometimes even outright stun bosses in one volley with 5 quick teleports, frost nova, then using the aspect that makes Fire Shield immobilize and of course once they're staggered they just vanish.
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flashman posted:But that's not the damage they do lol They're almost useful for comparing between single hits of a skill or different levels of the same skill Posted they have exact damage numbers, not that they're right or that they include all the modifiers or are even trustworthy
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Jul 13, 2023 21:05
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Definitely would be nice if we could have some training dummies to test on, eh?
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Jul 13, 2023 21:06
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Aexo posted:Definitely would be nice if we could have some training dummies to test on, eh? Just believe in yourself, the numbers and have faith.
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Jul 13, 2023 21:24
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Season 1 could just be "the guy standing in front of the anvil at Ked Baru is now the Blacksmith" and I'd pay  for it.
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Jul 13, 2023 21:28
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LifeLynx posted:Season 1 could just be "the guy standing in front of the anvil at Ked Baru is now the Blacksmith" and I'd pay i hate that guy so much
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LifeLynx posted:Season 1 could just be "the guy standing in front of the anvil at Ked Baru is now the Blacksmith" and I'd pay what's that town with the troll rear end cul de sac right when you port in? feels like the dev team was having a giggle when designing some of these towns lol
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flashman posted:But that's not the damage they do lol
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Jul 13, 2023 22:41
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Do we know how the suppressor elite affix is broken and if there's any plan on fixing it? Sorry if this has already been asked but I can't find much about it. It's killed several runs having an opponent immune to everything but base damage.
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Jul 13, 2023 23:03
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Remember the original Crowd Control mitigation: Fastest Hit Recovery Loved playing warrior.
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Jul 13, 2023 23:04
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I, too, miss sets that give +40000% damage to skills, rainbows and lively colors, and 2009 era graphics
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Jul 13, 2023 23:22
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Kawabata posted:I, too, miss sets that give +40000% damage to skills, rainbows and lively colors, and 2009 era graphics youre taking the piss but if they made a whimsydale themed season pass i would probably buy it
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Kawabata posted:I, too, miss sets that give +40000% damage to skills, rainbows and lively colors, and 2009 era graphics +40000% damage to skills is what you're doing via stacking the regular damage calendar+crit+vulnerable currently. It's just layers of obfuscation to what's ultimately several builds with minor deviations. And as a cherry on top D4 is has zero new characters. Also hating on D3 for rainbows got old before it was even released. Real cool cats were hating on the writing which...
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Jezza of OZPOS posted:youre taking the piss but if they made a whimsydale themed season pass i would probably buy it They will. And the tears will be delicious.
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Items Sets are big "early 2000s era" game design. Snooze! That said, this legendary affix system doesn't have the same razzle dazzle. It's total rear end to try and find a Good Drop, hope for immediate good luck with the Enchanter, find a high-roll legendary to harvest for the affix, and run the necessary helltides for the macguffins needed to apply affix all so I can replace by +27% Crit Damage Ring of +13% Conceited with a +29% Crit Damage Ring of +14% Conceited Loot situation needs some love
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Jul 14, 2023 00:07
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Item sets are fine. D4 has a perfect setup for finnicky crazy OP LOD style builds and letting filthy casuals do crazy poo poo with premade sets in exchange for grind is what modern Diablo should be about. Right now it's midway to neither.
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Kawabata posted:I, too, miss sets that give +40000% damage to skills, rainbows and lively colors, and 2009 era graphics It's never something like "rifts are bad, dungeons are way better" or "I love the open world and mount" or "wandering around cities trying to find amenities is so immersive" or "the tree of whispers is just obviously superior to bounties". Maybe you think those! They're definitely stronger arguments than "Diablo 3 had a rainbow in it"!
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My personal favorite is how the more mature Diablo 4 now resembles an amusement park in both the scale of the map and the now-required GPS tracker. e: It feels more like WoW than D3 did Vic fucked around with this message at 00:58 on Jul 14, 2023 |
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bio347 posted:You ever notice how the main complaints about D3 are still "sets are bad, there was colour, don't like the graphics"? no i havent noticed that
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i don’t like timed completion as an exclusive metric for measuring competitiveness of builds. if someone wants to build a slow tanky character to complete a high level rift rather than one built for high speed, i think that should provide some amount of progression think like poison builds for clearing ubers in d2 vs smiteadin having timing available as a metric to measure and compete against is fine, but having it as a primary driving force is not my favorite design sets are fine for matching some pieces from. i didn’t play d3 when there were builds that didn’t need/want the full set. especially for stopgap gear i liked getting 2 or 3 of one set and 2 or 3 or another to have as alternative/cheap options to fill a needed niche like guaranteed LL for a melee or easy access to AR in D2
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I'm very thankful that I didn't play enough D2 or D3 to understand most of the complaints about D4 As an individual game it's very good, but sounds like it has some big feet to fill
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:I'm very thankful that I didn't play enough D2 or D3 to understand most of the complaints about D4 Late game D3. You know those Blast Wave Shrines in D4? That's a Witch Doctor set in D3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vr945XraZck
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American McGay posted:Yeah it is. False.. I can swap out an item for example with plus damage and nothing changes
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Vic posted:Late game D3. You know those Blast Wave Shrines in D4? That's a Witch Doctor set in D3 holy poo poo d3 looks bad now. i dont remember it looking so dated
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Verviticus posted:holy poo poo d3 looks bad now. i dont remember it looking so dated diablo 4 is not very good
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Verviticus posted:holy poo poo d3 looks bad now. i dont remember it looking so dated By dated do you mean a decade old?
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Vic posted:By dated do you mean a decade old? does the thing i said change in meaning somehow if you substitute your words for mine
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:I'm very thankful that I didn't play enough D2 or D3 to understand most of the complaints about D4 d2 was an excellent, genre defining game, but d3 was pretty awful. I don't know why some people here hold it in such reverence. it didn't do seasons until after they were done grifting off the real life auction house, the endgame content was even more sparse than d4's for the first 5 or so years, the graphics was like I was traversing a daycare, and the damage scaling was just wack. when I think of d3, I think of super smash brother brawl.
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Yeah I thought people were pretty sour on D3
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You could make big numbers go even bigger very easily so some got a lot of enjoyment out of D3
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Collapsing Farts posted:Yeah I thought people were pretty sour on D3 I find myself wishing that Blizzard had used the negative reaction to the overall look of D3 to go in a different direction with D4. What if they had created a stylized, pixel art look for D4 that paid homage to D1 and D2 but using modern resolutions? I'm thinking about something like Valheim's low-fi graphics that are both low-fi and atmospheric in all the right ways but with Blizzard's spit and polish. Also then maybe I would be able to zoom out farther.
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Verviticus posted:does the thing i said change in meaning somehow if you substitute your words for mine Are you mad at me? I just found it funny you'd say an old game looks old. Don't be mad at me. Tonetta posted:d2 was an excellent, genre defining game, but d3 was pretty awful. I don't know why some people here hold it in such reverence. it didn't do seasons until after they were done grifting off the real life auction house, the endgame content was even more sparse than d4's for the first 5 or so years, the graphics was like I was traversing a daycare, and the damage scaling was just wack. when I think of d3, I think of super smash brother brawl. That's kinda the point. They transformed it from a godawful money grubbing dull grindy poo poo game into an arpg dream (although built on the mess that was already there). That's why the lessons learned on that shitshow being ignored feel weird now.
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Vic posted:Are you mad at me? I just found it funny you'd say an old game looks old. Don't be mad at me. huh
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"How could anyone have liked Diablo 3!??!?!?!" I'm amazed how many times people are going to roll in with the scalding hot take of "Actually D3 was bad at Vanilla launch" when everyone who praises D3 is specifically talking about after RoS. Do you think Diablo 2 discussion centers around pre-LoD or... ? When people talk about PoE they mean the beta?
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Collapsing Farts posted:Yeah I thought people were pretty sour on D3 Anyone that only played d3 at launch played a legitimately terrible game. Anyone that came back for the expansion two years later got a very good one that confused to get excellent improvements until this year. The version that exists in most people's heads itt is the first one because I guess we all stopped forming new memories a decade ago. (I wish that were true, saying it out loud...)
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