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Having sex with the caregiver that changed your diapers is certainly a choice. The whole exchange with the bride-to-be was odd to me. She offers...dyes, he offers the capitol of the galaxy and it isn't commensurate? I guess next time send better assassins, Domina.
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Legs Benedict posted:there’s even a scene where they basically say it out loud i'm not going to watch it but i'd be interested to read an elaboration on this
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Wafflecopper posted:i'm not going to watch it but i'd be interested to read an elaboration on this Gaal and Salvor are looking at a timeline and it splits off into two. One is blue and is whay should have happened, which I suppose is the book. The other is red and has a bunch of nodules representing bad stuff, which is the show.
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Jul 14, 2023 08:09
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so its more in your face than last season where salvor said "psychohistory says one person can change everything!" 
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Jul 14, 2023 10:46
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Can't wait to hate watch the living poo poo out of this tonight.
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Watching from work....I have completely forgotten the first season but I am down with the Naked Lee Pace Saga. Who is the decapitated woman Lee Pace is loving? Is she the robot in the I, Robot series? Couldn't care less about the Saldon plot, just gently caress off.
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I really enjoyed this first episode, it's some proper season 2 stuff where we get through the opening and immediately poo poo is happening. I also really like Hari's new character as insane vengeful spirit.D-Pad posted:- Cleon assassin fight should have had Pace sporting a massive and visible erection
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Jul 14, 2023 17:08
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Those rings around Trantor at arbitrary angles look stupid as fuuuuuuuuck
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Data Graham posted:Those rings around Trantor at arbitrary angles look stupid as fuuuuuuuuck that didnt bother me so much as like when the star bridge or whatever got bombed in s1, they talked a lot about how the empire didn’t really have the wherewithal to build big projects like that anymore which felt like a narrative indicator of how decayed the empire had become here we are 137 years later and it sure looks like they embarked on an engineering project not only on the level of the space elevator in terms of scope but actually far larger than it. like… okay… seems a bit weird
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Jul 14, 2023 23:12
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Jesus Christ this is the dumbest show
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Just-In-Timeberlake posted:Jesus Christ this is the dumbest show yeah it rules
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Legs Benedict posted:yeah it rules I mean, we’re contributing to the views and hence more seasons, so maybe we’re the dummies
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Jul 15, 2023 00:45
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i have hatewatched far worse than this tbh
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My issue isn’t that it’s bad but that it could be so much better. Some of the poo poo is just whack.
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stephenthinkpad posted:Watching from work....I have completely forgotten the first season but I am down with the Naked Lee Pace Saga. Yes, the robot lady is Daneel from the robot (I don't remember if he's in I, Robot) series of books with Elijah Baley, the detective.
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I keep thinking about how there's got to be a making-of crew hovering around just dying to show off how they built these massive awesome sets to do things like Seldon stepping out onto a rotating wall/floor that's up on hydraulics to ensure he's standing at the correct angle, or a camera swooping all around him at high speed in 150 different wild shots in a darkened football stadium that took three weeks to shoot for the opening freakout scene And then the whole thing is just 150% CGI and setpieces that disappear into distance fog
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Rappaport posted:Yes, the robot lady is Daneel from the robot (I don't remember if he's in I, Robot) series of books with Elijah Baley, the detective. And also at this point in galactic history robots are a myth that like 5 people know about but I guess everyone does now lol
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MarcusSA posted:My issue isn’t that it’s bad but that it could be so much better. Basically it shouldn't be called Foundation. But I always thought the Foundation novels were pretty weak so no big loses.
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stephenthinkpad posted:Basically it shouldn't be called Foundation. Yeah pretty much.
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what the gently caress even is this show they just hop from one easily-solved gibberish sci fi problem to another. I'm not even gonna call it technobabble. absolutely gonna keep watching
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Jul 15, 2023 02:37
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The robot girl uses nanomachines to fix herself. Pretty sure she didn't do it in S1.
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Just don’t worry about what happened in season 1.
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harry seldon and the hottie powered time cube.
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stephenthinkpad posted:The robot girl uses nanomachines to fix herself. Pretty sure she didn't do it in S1. she repairs some internal damage using them in s1
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Legs Benedict posted:yeah it rules This show is so loving dumb and bad I'll be tuning in next week
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I just saw it. Amazing how Salvor Hardin manages to poo poo all over her "parents", the loving people that carried her to terms, fed her, clothed, her, taught her everything she knew, only to have her meet Gaal and go "I'm your daughter, I always knew it." Sure Goyer, just poo poo right on the fact that those two people apparently had no influence on her live whatsoever...
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show could just be nude cleon strutting around yelling at people and banging immortal robot mommy and id watch it actually that would be an improvement cause the rest of it sucks
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Yep, for me this is the Cleon show starring Lee Pace.
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DropsySufferer posted:Yep, for me this is the Cleon show starring Lee Pace.
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Dusk Cleon "you shouldn't be wheeling your robot nanny" Day Cleon "A. Some other Cleon also did it, and B. actually she was wheeling me  "
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The Gaal/Salvor plot is definitely the weakest, especially now that they no longer are moored to any specific plot. Also I guess we're supposed to be at the point of the story where the Foundation is acting as a religion except we don't really get to see it because we spent all our time with characters not actually at the Foundation.
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Are the people from the foundation from last season dead now? Maybe they shouldn't wait two years between seasons for shows that are already impossible to follow.
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Cojawfee posted:Are the people from the foundation from last season dead now? Maybe they shouldn't wait two years between seasons for shows that are already impossible to follow. That's pretty much how the book goes, it jumps from crisis to crisis with X years in between. There's really no character continuity to speak of other than hologram Hari Seldon. So naturally the show throws that out the window.
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Cojawfee posted:Are the people from the foundation from last season dead now? Maybe they shouldn't wait two years between seasons for shows that are already impossible to follow. Yes, it has been 138 years since last season so all the Foundation people are dead except for Gaal and Salvor.
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muscles like this! posted:The Gaal/Salvor plot is definitely the weakest, especially now that they no longer are moored to any specific plot. Also I guess we're supposed to be at the point of the story where the Foundation is acting as a religion except we don't really get to see it because we spent all our time with characters not actually at the Foundation. Sure do love a plotline centered around "one character is vaguely mad at another character for reasons that don't make any sense and are nobody's fault and therefore can't be resolved satisfactorily"
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Just-In-Timeberlake posted:That's pretty much how the book goes, it jumps from crisis to crisis with X years in between. There's really no character continuity to speak of other than hologram Hari Seldon. They replaced the tape recording Seldon with extreme cyberpunk altered carbon Seldon to rile up Isaac Asimov in the grave.
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The problem with an active Seldon means you don't get that fun moment where they go to watch a recording to see what he says about the Mule and he stars talking about an unrelated thing.
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muscles like this! posted:The Gaal/Salvor plot is definitely the weakest, especially now that they no longer are moored to any specific plot. Also I guess we're supposed to be at the point of the story where the Foundation is acting as a religion except we don't really get to see it because we spent all our time with characters not actually at the Foundation. Which is a huge problem of the show. "Empire" and Trantor anchor the viewer more to the show than the Foundation, the thing that is front and center in the books. I don't even mind that this side of the story is so prominent, it's obviously the best part of the show but it really highlights how much they dropped the ball on the rest. And yeah Gaal/Salvor are both a black hole of charisma and just so generic/blank. The script obviously doesn't help them and while I don't enjoy bashing actor performances they are definitely a part of the problem too (Gaal has imo more potential, I think she could work with better direction but Salvor is just bad).
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That was... actually fine. Folks are being pretty hyperbolic about how bad it is, I was expecting much worse. I think it's foolish to expect this show not to waste its potential. It's got a terrible follow through with its interesting ideas, but this episode at least was not the terrible stuff yet. Were Trantor's huge rings a silly waste of resources? Yes! In the text of the show, no less! It was actually a neat concept and a natural evolution of the falling Empire. They lost their (quite practical) space elevator last season, and their inability to rebuild it was potentially a huge sign of weakness and decay. So in the next couple centuries what did they do? Harness all their resources to make a mega project 10 times more visually impressive! No one could look at that and think that Empire can't direct its resources however it pleases! Except... they directed it to that project because they were afraid of being seen as weak. That's a cool concept! Good job, Foundation, the dumb rings around Trantor are visually cool, and conceptually nuanced! You found a way to put something that's dumb but looks cool into your show in an organic way that tells the story you're trying to tell! A+ on the dumb rings! Hari navigating the 4D maze was almost good. I liked the bit where he was hitting stuff in every direction- we're shown (in a kind of abstract way) that he's trapped in a little triangle bubble. And then he's like, "wait a minute, there's another direction" and he's climbing out of a triangular hole. He remembered that there was another direction. That's kind of cool, but a bit abstract and hard to follow, so I understand if that was just meaningless shapes for most people. They did their best to present it as meaningless shapes, after all. We didn't see much about Terminus, but what we saw was promising. To reiterate: this show is all about squandering promise, so if it goes nowhere I won't be surprised, but the haven't squandered it yet. I like the little shipping container village is now a small city with prominent space ports. I like that the Warden, a title that a weirdo loner once held, is now the name for the chief of their military. There was a little emblem of the Vault on that mayor guy's collar, and they were speaking reverently of the prophet. Interesting social developments have happened! This is teasing good stuff! It's really good that they jettisoned everything from Terminus from last season. We're supposed to be getting a vast arc of history, and that's how you're gonna get one- drop everyone and move on. Revisit a setting centuries later without anyone you still know kicking about, but the structures and society they help shape still kicking and progressing. Blank slate Terminus is the good poo poo. (Potentially. If they miss, which is plausible, even likely, at least they were aiming in the right direction.) The inherently, conceptually conservative Cleons dealing with a dying Empire by making bold, new plays has always been interesting, and continues to be. The ninja assassins were dumb in execution though, in exactly the way you'd expect from this show. I might actually like what they're doing with the Prime Radiant. A sufficiently advanced equation is basically a computer program, and a computer program being conscious is something we've imagined before. Why not an equation? I like that Hari carefully explained that only the equations of those women, not some engram of the memory of them, made it into the Prime Radiant. What was speaking to him was pure math, sufficiently complex to have a will. Sure, why not? Is it hard sci-fi? Nope. Is it Asimov? Not really. Is it neat? Kinda? I'm willing to roll with it at least. Of course, to me, given this show's values, I'm pretty sure that (speculation, not based on the books) the writers understand Math to be the pure nature of the universe... and if they're saying the pure nature of the universe has a consciousness and a will they're obviously talking about one potential being: God. Hari is a prophet. He may think he's reached his conclusion based on math, but it is in fact a loving God that he has discovered, inherent to the universe, and Hari is Her prophet. All the characters dealing with believing in or doubting Hari's Plan are blatantly people dealing with the incomprehensibility of God's Plan in the real world, with the ultimate message being that you just need to have faith, even if you don't understand where things are going. In fact, all you need is faith. The subtitles actually capitalize "Plan", by the way. Is that Asimov? gently caress no. This ain't Asimov at all. It's anathema to Asimov's worldview. Is it bad? Eh. It's a powerful theme, interestingly transposed into a sci-fi setting. I'm interested in seeing where it goes.
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