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sleep with the vicious
Apr 2, 2010

The "beats expectations" is always funny to me because it means the wall street analysts were wrong again, yet somehow we are all here again doing the same poo poo next quarter. Just revise expectations upwards dog. Its all theatre, even for the rich

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webcams for christ
Nov 2, 2005

turns out the inflation was Transitory after all


skooma512
Feb 8, 2012

You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.

Buffer posted:

It's always about the children. Satanic panic. D&D. Rock music. Woke professors. Lockdowns.

They gonna steal 'em from you

Yup, if you say it’s about kids lots of people will dance like puppets on a string, that was the genius of the qanon thing and why it drew in so many women. So long as they don’t get taxed more or have to do anything but pour hate on an out group anyway.



DickParasite posted:

It really drove the point home when the twitter leftists all defended their right to play that dumb Harry Potter videogame because JKR is already rich so nothing matters. Like all they had to do was not play a video game. A game which nobody remembered like 2 months after it came out anyway. They couldn't even give that up.

I’ve had a :filez: copy of that from the insane terf cracker for months and never even installed it, just because I forgot about it too lol

RealityWarCriminal
Aug 10, 2016

:o:

Spaced God posted:

Sounds like the ups should give its workers everything they're demanding then

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

sleep with the vicious posted:

The "beats expectations" is always funny to me because it means the wall street analysts were wrong again, yet somehow we are all here again doing the same poo poo next quarter. Just revise expectations upwards dog. Its all theatre, even for the rich

it’s p r i c e d i n :downs:

Nothus
Feb 22, 2001

Buglord

webcams for christ posted:

turns out the inflation was Transitory after all

Not in the UK lol

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


sleep with the vicious posted:

The "beats expectations" is always funny to me because it means the wall street analysts were wrong again, yet somehow we are all here again doing the same poo poo next quarter. Just revise expectations upwards dog. Its all theatre, even for the rich

the game is designed such that they're deliberately wrong so 90% of ERs can beat expectations. the entire game is designed so everyone is capitalistically optimistic.

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Paradoxish
Dec 19, 2003

Will you stop going crazy in there?
Are these the same economists who were screaming at the beginning of the year that the fed needs to stop raising rates because we wouldn't see disinflationary action until the summer? Strange how their analysis seems to literally always be that rate cuts are necessary regardless of actual conditions or reality.

webcams for christ
Nov 2, 2005

no one wants to code anymore

https://twitter.com/torbar/status/1681073517989617664

https://www.tiktok.com/@imax/video/7255327705313430830

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Mr. Lobe posted:

I'm sorry, are you trying to suggest a problem exists? I think, if you will look critically, you will see we live in the best of all possible worlds

America is already great, you see

Exactly.

triple sulk
Sep 17, 2014




that kicks rear end

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:

It's neat that Christopher Rufo straight up said "this is a great issue to unite conservatives on by stirring up bullshit hate, so I'm going to do that and here's my roadmap for doing so," and no one ever called him on it or pointed out that this panic is completely artificial.

He posted it all on Twitter either late 2021 or January 2022. You’re right that nobody did anything about it, but nobody thought just another fashie freak would dictate the entire anglospheres assault

net work error
Feb 26, 2011

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1681238667875209217?t=milRFoaRMFwnOzb-EHM02A&s=19


quote:


https://www.reuters.com
Long-feared corporate debt woes start to hit home
Chiara Elisei, Dhara Ranasinghe
5 - 7 minutes

LONDON, July 18 (Reuters) - The spectre of rising corporate debt defaults exacerbating a global economic slowdown has for months been largely brushed aside by resilient credit markets.

Now, long-feared corporate debt woes are starting to hit home, while more companies are being downgraded to a junk credit rating - facing higher borrowing costs as a result.

Retailer Casino, with 6.4 billion euros ($7.19 billion) of net debt, is in court-backed talks with creditors; Britain's Thames Water is in the headlines with its 14 billion pound ($18.32 billion) debt pile.

Swedish landlord SBB (SBBb.ST), downgraded to junk in May, is at the epicentre of a property crash that threatens to engulf Sweden's economy.

Yet the cost of insuring exposure to a basket of European junk-rated corporates last week briefly hit its lowest in just over a year, suggesting investors remain unperturbed by rising default risks.

"You have a lot of complacency in the market, if you think that statistics show that we have had already as many defaults globally in the first five months of 2023 as in the whole 2022," said Julius Baer's head of fixed income research Markus Allenspach.

"But there are still inflows into high yields (bonds)," he said.

S&P Global expects default rates for U.S. and European sub-investment grade companies to rise to 4.25% and 3.6% respectively by March 2024, from 2.5% and 2.8% this March.

Reuters Graphics
Reuters Graphics

Hopes the world economy will avoid a sharp downturn and that aggressive rate hikes will soon end explain the upbeat sentiment.

But analysts note the impact of rate rises has yet to be fully felt.

For some, this means corporate bond yields should command a higher premium. The current spread on the ICE BofA global high yield bond index is at 435 basis points (bps), down from 622 bps a year ago. (.MERHW00)

Reuters Graphics
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"Corporate credit spreads are still extremely tight and are not reflecting the risks that are out there," said Guy Miller, chief market strategist at Zurich Insurance Group.

Miller said 122 U.S. public and private companies with liabilities over $50 million have already filed for bankruptcy protection so far this year, implying a run rate that will cause bankruptcies to exceed 200 by year-end - comparable to that seen during the global financial crisis and COVID-19.

For FACTBOX: Corporate debt woes are on the rise, click here.

While some firms took advantage of the low rates era to extend the maturity of their debt, buying themselves some time, refinancing will be costly for those with looming debt maturities.

"On aggregate, things don't look dreadful. But it's not the aggregate you worry about, it's the marginal players coming through that now are having to pay massively more to borrow," Miller said.

ABN AMRO said the average maturity of European high yield corporate bonds reached a record low of almost four years in May, versus an average of just over six years between 2005-2007, when the European Central Bank also jacked up rates.

That means firms have less time than previously to refinance debt, so the pain of higher rates will be felt sooner.
RESTRUCTURING

Failing to pay higher interest costs or to refinance maturing debt are among the main reasons companies default.

To avoid having to repay their debt immediately following a default, or finding themselves insolvent, firms are starting talks with creditors on how to restructure their debt and turn their business around.

Take cash-strapped Casino. Plagued by hefty debt following a string of acquisitions and dwindling earnings, the company is seeking at least 900 million euros of new capital to stay afloat, while slashing its debt pile.

Still, debt restructuring experts said the legal systems in place have evolved since the financial crisis, so a disorderly wind-up of businesses can mostly be avoided.

In Spain, the effectiveness of a new restructuring law is being tested as a restructuring plan for industrial group Celsa goes through the courts.

"The outcome of restructuring processes is now more predictable than 10 years ago, as the legal frameworks across European countries have become more aligned," said Aymen Mahmoud, co-head of the London Finance, Restructuring and Special Situations Group at law firm McDermott Will & Emery.

Nonetheless, not all firms may be able to survive the challenges of vast debt, higher interest and business costs and declining profits.

"We are still some 12 months away from seeing the full impact, particularly in Europe, where the downturn may be less severe, but recovery will also be slower," said Elena Lieskovska, partner at Bain Capital Special Situations.

($1 = 0.8899 euros)

($1 = 0.7643 pounds)

Reporting by Chiara Elisei and Dhara Ranasinghe, editing by Christina Fincher

One of these days!!

webcams for christ
Nov 2, 2005

for our fellow Tooze-heads






Lenin posted:

We are not utopians. We know that an unskilled labourer or a cook cannot immediately get on with the job of state administration. In this we agree with the Cadets, with Breshkovskaya, and with Tsereteli. We differ, however, from these citizens in that we demand an immediate break with the prejudiced view that only the rich, or officials chosen from rich families, are capable of administering the state, of performing the ordinary, everyday work of administration. We demand that training in the work of state administration be conducted by class-conscious workers and soldiers and that this training be begun at once

Monkey Fracas
Sep 11, 2010

...but then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you!
Grimey Drawer

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:

It's neat that Christopher Rufo straight up said "this is a great issue to unite conservatives on by stirring up bullshit hate, so I'm going to do that and here's my roadmap for doing so," and no one ever called him on it or pointed out that this panic is completely artificial.

You can also trace the CRT panic to some piece of poo poo conservative consulting group who were like bragging aloud what a great idea it was on Twitter or something


It's more frustrating that ideas like this find so much purchase but there's also this secondary frustration where you can just kinda sit on lawnchair and drink beer for 6 months while you watch someone slowly put the bullshit antenna array together in full view of everyone driving by on I-90 and everyone still treats it like it isn't bullshit

FUCK COREY PERRY
Apr 19, 2008



triple sulk posted:

that kicks rear end

I love it so much

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Monkey Fracas posted:

You can also trace the CRT panic to some piece of poo poo conservative consulting group who were like bragging aloud what a great idea it was on Twitter or something


It's more frustrating that ideas like this find so much purchase but there's also this secondary frustration where you can just kinda sit on lawnchair and drink beer for 6 months while you watch someone slowly put the bullshit antenna array together in full view of everyone driving by on I-90 and everyone still treats it like it isn't bullshit

I used to believe in the notion that conspiracies are impossible because it would need to involve so many people that someone would always end up spilling the beans or blowing the whistle

As it turns out, that's complete bullshit: it doesn't matter if you know exactly what's going on, if nobody believes you

Justin Tyme
Feb 22, 2011



You, a dummy: I will decompile and refactor the original code to run on a sbc

Me, a brane genious: I will download a palmOS emulator and be home by lunch

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



gradenko_2000 posted:

I used to believe in the notion that conspiracies are impossible because it would need to involve so many people that someone would always end up spilling the beans or blowing the whistle

As it turns out, that's complete bullshit: it doesn't matter if you know exactly what's going on, if nobody believes you

yeah conspiracies are done out in the open but the official story just denies reality

RandomBlue
Dec 30, 2012

hay guys!


Biscuit Hider

Willa Rogers posted:

The index upon which the SSA determines CoL increases looks like it's going to be around 3 percent for next year's adjustment although inflation in stuff like drug prices that affects seniors the most is above 10 percent.

Pretty cool that the cost of pretty much everything required for living is still through the roof and continuing to increase but that's OK because this calculation over here says inflation is down.

RandomBlue
Dec 30, 2012

hay guys!


Biscuit Hider
this economy is good actually, we call it Bidenomics

PoundSand
Jul 30, 2021

Also proficient with kites

trevorreznik posted:

I keep trying to think of something comparable and really can't. It's something you have to specifically go to get, hard to order, but the place you get it from has a million other varieties at comparable costs.

Boycotting a place in a fixed location is way harder - you could boycott chikfila, but now you have to drive twice as far to Popeyes. Same with target vs its competitors.

The closest I can think of is chips or candy bars, but those don't even have the same level of variety and I feel like people care even more about their favorites for those. So it's hard to imagine someone switching from Reese's to Skittles. And those still don't have the social component of parties/bars where your consumption is public.

if chik fil a is literally the only food option in your entire area or at home I guess yeah. and if Harry Potter was literally the only game you could play.

I dunno the thing with me is I just saw a lot of excuses when it came to cutting things out of your life for left reasons, even on these forums. Maybe it really wouldn’t have mattered but I dunno I feel particularly with stuff marketed at millennials/younger where on paper we’re p overwhelmingly supportive of certain things we could probably throw consumer weight around a bit more.

Oglethorpe
Aug 8, 2005


a specter? over europe? :monocle:

Iverron
May 13, 2012

RandomBlue posted:

Pretty cool that the cost of pretty much everything required for living is still through the roof and continuing to increase but that's OK because this calculation over here says inflation is down.

gas down inflation over soft landing

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Shear Modulus posted:

yeah conspiracies are done out in the open but the official story just denies reality

This is pretty much the case with the Kennedy stuff, the general contours of which seem to be more or less known at this point. Because there's never a memo in government that directly says "Do this explicit thing for this reason with the involvement of these people", that's broken up into smaller reports and memos, just like business documents are never like "here's the entire plan for the quarter, which requires software...:words:... which is why we need this TPS report." You just have the TPS reports and need to figure out what they mean and contributed to. In government they just destroy and classify particularly incriminating ones as well.

So you can tell someone that there was a fake Lee Harvey Oswald going around Mexico City, which is well documented, but because those reports don't include the line "as part of the larger plan to kill the President and blame the communists", the official denial is still enough for people to shrug it off.

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

Cry Havoc and let slip the Hogs of War
https://twitter.com/SentaMMoses/status/1681127057701617664?s=20

StratGoatCom
Aug 6, 2019

Our security is guaranteed by being able to melt the eyeballs of any other forum's denizens at 15 minutes notice


https://www.cnbc.com/2023/07/17/ai-will-be-the-biggest-bubble-of-all-time-stability-ai-ceo.html

They just up and said it, run for the hills.

ArmedZombie
Jun 6, 2004


palmos ftw

RandomBlue
Dec 30, 2012

hay guys!


Biscuit Hider

https://twitter.com/TheeBrianJ/status/1681146400590151680

BurntCornMuffin
Jan 9, 2009



"I'm smart, and therefore will absolutely succeed to time my exit before the bubble pops. Time to buy while it's rising!"

wash bucket
Feb 21, 2006


Entire industries are propped up by this sort of poo poo.

"We need to replace this obsolete thing with something else."

"But it's still working."

"If it stops working we won't have any way to repair or replace it."

"Fine but you're getting almost no budget and we won't accept any downtime."

Knight
Dec 23, 2000

SPACE-A-HOLIC
Taco Defender

Beached Whale posted:

TikTok has introduced me to a group of communal airbnb landlords


Growing food and keeping livestock - the surefire way to never work again

Willa Rogers
Mar 11, 2005

RandomBlue posted:

Pretty cool that the cost of pretty much everything required for living is still through the roof and continuing to increase but that's OK because this calculation over here says inflation is down.

found the story:

quote:

Ready for some bad news, retirees? Brace for your smallest Social Security COLA raise in recent memory.

Why? After two years of surging prices, inflation is falling this year. And that will dramatically cut into Social Security recipients' COLA (cost of living adjustment) in 2024, says the Senior Citizens League (SCL), which forecasts the next year's estimated increase.

Beneficiaries will see their annual "raise" lowered to 2.7% from 8.7% in 2023. That would be the smallest COLA hike since before the Covid pandemic. Of course, this is just an estimate. The Social Security Administration has said it will announce in October the next COLA for the 70 million Americans receiving benefits.

But expect economic fallout from such a small COLA.

Prices Remain High

The inflation rate has slowed. But older Americans are still strained from two years of historically high consumer prices. Household expenses remain high in essential spending categories, the SCL says. A June survey shows 62% of participants cite food costs as their fastest-growing cost. Housing costs are the biggest concern of 22% of survey respondents.

And yet another obstacle may slow the recovery for Social Security recipients. The Bureau of Labor Statistics reported the Consumer Price Index for Urban Wage Earners and Clerical Workers, or CPI-W, fell to 3.6% in May. The inflation rate is likely to continue falling as the year goes on. That's good news for consumers overall. But it could hamper older Americans trying to recover from the financial impacts of Covid-19 and higher consumer prices.

***

The Loss Of Buying Power, And Eggs

Between January 2000 and February 2023, Social Security COLAs increased benefits by 78%, averaging 3.4% annually. But in a study on the loss of buying power for Social Security benefits, SCL policy analyst Mary Johnson says that the cost of goods and services purchased by typical retirees rose by 141.4% over the same period, averaging about 6.2% each year. "For every $100 a retired household spent on goods and services in 2000, that household can only buy about $64 worth today."

This year, buying power was hit hardest by price increases in food, electricity and rental housing. There also was a 16% increase in costs for dental care, and repair and maintenance of motor vehicles, Johnson said. "Topping our list of fastest-growing items? Eggs. In fact, no other spending item beat eggs or grew faster" during the survey reference period. The survey compared price changes from March 2022 to February 2023.

JamesKPolk
Apr 9, 2009

webcams for christ posted:

turns out the inflation was Transitory after all




I almost said something re: Wolfers and the CPI/inflation/real wages stuff yesterday but it's so stupid arguing about the numbers one way or the other when the people making them haven't realized that COVID is a big deal yet

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

Willa Rogers posted:

found the story:

thank god that food, electricity, and rent price increases don't contribute to inflation

err
Apr 11, 2005

I carry my own weight no matter how heavy this shit gets...

Willa Rogers posted:

found the story:

Wow, that is more than I thought. Everyone getting squeezed.

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

INSERT QUACK TO CONTINUE


Taco Defender

I especially like how there was an objection to the proposal to replace dead arbitrators with living ones.

Animal-Mother
Feb 14, 2012

RABBIT RABBIT
RABBIT RABBIT

Thread title?

Mokelumne Trekka
Nov 22, 2015

Soon.


I feel like I'm having a stroke, I understand 30% of these words

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Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer

Mokelumne Trekka posted:

I feel like I'm having a stroke, I understand 30% of these words

for once in history there seems to have been a lack of computer touching

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