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Rust Martialis posted:Okay, you're happy to put up with pointless abuse, why are others required to do so?
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It is not abuse to call out a bad reaction on the part of a moderator. In the same way that mods need to not take criticism of their moderation practices personally, users need to stop taking it personally on their behalf. A singular mod did something lovely to a user. That has, apparently, been hashed out via PM, and the wronged user appears happy with the resolution. Everything since has been a completely unforced error on the part of other moderators of this subforum. This should not be a forums war. Stop trying to make it one.
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Jul 19, 2023 18:59
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theres a difference between abuse and just being critical of someones moderating decisions
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Jul 19, 2023 19:00
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I've taken the thread off slow mode so we can have a conversation and not have to wait 10 mins between posts
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Jul 19, 2023 19:01
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Smugworth posted:The Official GBS Olive Appreciation Station (title change pending). Originally titled "olives: are they good?" we determined that they are in fact good. Come talk about olives with fellow olive aficionados, olive aficionados! Smug does this so he can lure you into the olive or judo or egg thread to mug you just a warning everyone
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Jul 19, 2023 19:01
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:theres a difference between abuse and just being critical of someones moderating decisions Users talking to mods  
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Jul 19, 2023 19:02
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Just remember to actually enforce the thread rules, I'm sure everything will be just fine. What could possibly go amiss?
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Jul 19, 2023 19:04
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Toxic Mental posted:Users talking to mods being a moderator requires thick skin because people will try to get under your skin and annoy you or criticize your decisions if you cant handle that then i do believe you should step down for your own sanity
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Jul 19, 2023 19:08
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Endorph posted:the most insulting thing ive said about karma comedian is that theyre lame. Is that a fact? Nothing else?
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Jul 19, 2023 19:09
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:being a moderator requires thick skin because people will try to get under your skin
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Jul 19, 2023 19:09
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Rust Martialis posted:Is that a fact? Nothing else?
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Jul 19, 2023 19:10
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Slugworth posted:Or people could just not act like that. you cant change human nature
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:being a moderator requires thick skin because people will try to get under your skin and annoy you or criticize your decisions if you cant handle that then i do believe you should step down for your own sanity I am only going to bring in mods that are either retail or restaurant managers. We have all been jokerfied.
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Jul 19, 2023 19:11
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Slugworth posted:Or people could just not act like that. Its the internet.
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Jul 19, 2023 19:12
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here's an idea, instead of a feedback thread mods should host a quarterly townhall on zoom
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Jul 19, 2023 19:13
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:you cant change human nature When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child
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Jul 19, 2023 19:14
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Fluffdaddy posted:Its the internet. Again, you choose to accept abusive behavior, why should anyone else feel compelled to do so? I gave up USPOL a few years ago because the level of rage it fuelled was unhealthy as hell. You seem to be resigned to it. Maybe you're the one who needs to get away from SA if it's done that to you. Stop dragging everyone down to your level.
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Jul 19, 2023 19:17
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Rust Martialis posted:Again, you choose to accept abusive behavior, why should anyone else feel compelled to do so? If they can't take it they shouldn't take a voluntary position to moderate a subforum. I don't why you think psychoanalyzing me is the right choice here. So I am going to ask you nicely to stop before you start charging me for therapy.
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Jul 19, 2023 19:20
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Wasn't long that thick skin lasted lol.
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Jul 19, 2023 19:21
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Endorph posted:i also said 'petulant' but i think 'lame' is a harsher insult. So "stupid" and "insane" were just aimed at the GBS mods and their actions as a group, not at KC in particular, then.
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I will make exactly one earnest post in this thread to say the easiest way to improve it would be to focus on a single topic with clear A and B directions for people to vote on. Something like, "Let's talk about X policy. Keep it as is, or change it to Y?" or "We're thinking of introducing X to the rules. Yes or No? Why or why not?" Most people who post in GBS are fine enough with how it is as is, or rather aren't bothered enough by an issue to really engage in this thread. They may have some small issue they'd like to vocalize, but they wander in here and see it full of sniping, he-said-she-said, and the tedious recounting of grievances between individuals. As it is currently, the open nature of the thread encourages those people (and mainly just those people) to post. Then as things become overly self-serious come the shitposters, who naturally gravitate toward any serious post in order to take the piss out of it. You can't get rid of them (me), but you can see more focused poo poo posting about more focused topics, that may, really actually my god, see some form of change or improvement to the forum. Maybe? Definitely not in it's current state though.
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Jul 19, 2023 19:24
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Fluffdaddy posted:I am only going to bring in mods that are either retail or restaurant managers. We have all been jokerfied. People with experience with IT help desks might be good too. But if they're like me, they're probably ticking time bombs or just so, so tired of it all, so maybe not.
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Jul 19, 2023 19:26
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Fluffdaddy posted:If they can't take it they shouldn't take a voluntary position to moderate a subforum. I don't why you think psychoanalyzing me is the right choice here. So I am going to ask you nicely to stop before you start charging me for therapy.
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Jul 19, 2023 19:27
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Slugworth posted:You referenced retail managers - A good manager fires abusive customers. you can't fire customers I mean this analogy is dumb in general imo but that part also doesn't actually make any sense at all Also telling someone who had irl circumstances used as a cudgel against them and had that act explicitly okay'd by a mod that they have to not use mean words seems disingenuous to me Psycho Landlord fucked around with this message at 19:34 on Jul 19, 2023 |
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Jul 19, 2023 19:31
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Psycho Landlord posted:you can't fire customers
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I do think having more focused short term feedback threads would be better for larger forums, especially this one. GBS is supposed to be the "Main" forum for the website, so issues that crop up should be dealt with as they happen and having like a weekend or whatever a month to really hash out things would probably be a lot more beneficial than having an open thread that meanders everywhere and just takes too much attention for the moderation staff from the rest of the forum.
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Jul 19, 2023 19:32
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Psycho Landlord posted:you can't fire customers You can ban them from your establishment
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Jul 19, 2023 19:33
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Psycho Landlord posted:you can't fire customers I have absolutely fired customers that abuse my restaurant staff. I have literally taken their food give them their money back and told them to leave, in both full service and fast food.
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Cthulu Carl posted:People with experience with IT help desks might be good too. But if they're like me, they're probably ticking time bombs or just so, so tired of it all, so maybe not. I'll shoot your idea down by mentioning I have experience with IT help desks. I don't think we need to proceed any further.
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Jul 19, 2023 19:34
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Fluffdaddy posted:I have absolutely fired customers that abuse my restaurant staff. I have literally taken their food give them their money back and told them to leave, in both full service and fast food. living my entire life thinking "firing" had a legal definition, guess not
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Jul 19, 2023 19:35
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Fluffdaddy posted:Its the internet. One of SA's strengths has been its being relatively free with bans to communicate "actually, we don't do that here". Giving up moderation of bad behavior with "oh well what can u do lol" is the worst possible answer. We ban people for choosing the wrong thread tag, so I don't believe your hands are tied.
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Jul 19, 2023 19:35
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Fluffdaddy posted:If they can't take it they shouldn't take a voluntary position to moderate a subforum. I don't completely disagree with this, but if a mod doesn't see an issue (at all) with low level abuse thrown at them, then the same mod will probably not see a problem when users come forward expressing discomfort with these types of issues, and having a thick skin shouldn't be a requirement to post in the (supposedly) general forum.
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Psycho Landlord posted:you can't fire customers What do you think permabans are? "Thank you but we no longer wish to do business with you going forward. Goodbye."
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Psycho Landlord posted:living my entire life thinking "firing" had a legal definition, guess not Well yea, its not like I can literally fire someone from this website, even a mod. This is not a job nor are any of us paid.
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Fluffdaddy posted:I have absolutely fired customers that abuse my restaurant staff. I have literally taken their food give them their money back and told them to leave, in both full service and fast food. Same. I didn't like it when I had to do it because I don't like being an rear end in a top hat, but if you ever mistreated one of my workers I got rid of you with a quickness. I don't need that poo poo. Thankfully I had bar bouncers by the door to the bar that loved my tacos and would support if necessary. I think it only happened maybe 4-5 times in the four years I ran the taco truck, but it definitely happens. Alcohol usually makes it worse.
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tiaz posted:
also this
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Rust Martialis posted:What do you think permabans are? Absolutely not the same thing as terminating employment is what I think lol back to the feedback
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Psycho Landlord posted:you can't fire customers  VvV let's just agree to litigate the semantics of the argument instead of the exceedingly obvious intent. Maybe then someone will say something else and we can argue over that, having successfully obfuscated what was being discussed in the first place! FilthyImp fucked around with this message at 19:42 on Jul 19, 2023 |
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I mean it was just bad word choice. A manger doesn't "fire" bad customers they ban them from the establishment.
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Slugworth posted:Being able to accept criticism is important, being able to shrug off abuse is probably a healthy trait, but shouldn't be necessary to hold any position. You referenced retail managers - A good manager fires abusive customers. a manager cannot fire customers because customers are not employed by them
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