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anyway it would be good if the GBS mods didn’t like actively hate large parts of the forum. I think GBS moderation is ok but don’t keep around forum pets and cut down on some of the stupid white noise threads, like, maybe 10% less also stop tolerating three olives posting
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Jul 19, 2023 21:40
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Sisal Two-Step posted:Good job on steering the conversation away from mod feedback to whether or not harsh criticism is abusive which took us back to word filter moderation everyone. The conversation about World filter moderation is important here too.
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Jul 19, 2023 21:41
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Upgrade posted:also stop tolerating three olives posting Finally, something we can all agree on
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Jul 19, 2023 21:44
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If you've got a really funny joke that requires a slur just post it and eat the 6er
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Jul 19, 2023 21:45
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Jose Valasquez posted:If you've got a really funny joke that requires a slur just post it and eat the 6er case in point ArfJason posted:[doing high pitched voice out the corner of my mouth] FAAAGGOT [looks back and forth] WHO SAID THAT???
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Jul 19, 2023 21:46
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sure okay posted:case in point lol
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Jul 19, 2023 21:47
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Psycho Landlord posted:Well I'm glad at least one gbs mod posted, even if it is about this dumb poo poo again My thoughts on the other topics are -a mod hosed up, and eventually apologized directly to the person. This is feedback at work, and is good. and the rest has been just... a bunch of "crews" bullshit and talking around eachother unless I missed something major. I am extremely sick to death of hearing about "SAD crews". GBS is the flagship forum, everyone on SA has an opinion about it good or bad and even if someone posts in SAD a lot the thing that matters is still the actual feedback being posted. Tone is what it is, if you want to provide feedback in an aggressive manner then mods are expected to be able to deal with that. But we're still people, so being adversarial is counterproductive. Ultimately I don't know if a permanent feedback thread is needed, but feedback is good. Moving forward if we keep it open I would really prefer if everyone could just completely let go of the crew poo poo, so we can focus on moderation issues and not the source of feedback regarding those issues.
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Jul 19, 2023 21:49
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Jose Valasquez posted:If you've got a really funny joke that requires a slur just post it and eat the 6er i dont really care about 6ers because they're funny the annoying part is goons obessing over slurs when its something that isnt even a slur in the first place or lecturing a queer person about how they cant call things gay (pejorative) as a joke. this entire argument is stupid but reading posts and understanding the usage of the words in the post before pressing the button is an important skill for a moderator to have
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Jul 19, 2023 21:50
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Upgrade posted:anyway it would be good if the GBS mods didn’t like actively hate large parts of the forum I was unaware Seth and Co. had declared their undying hatred of Coupons, Pet Island and GWS so openly. Scoundrels all! Deciding not to heavily participate in one thread in SAD can hardly be called "hating large parts of the forum" in any event.
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Jul 19, 2023 21:51
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seems to me the problem isn't people using The Filtered Words and getting nailed for it, but instead the instances where people say heinous poo poo and don't get hit for it until someone actually reads the post a couple days later because it didn't use a bad word
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Jul 19, 2023 21:51
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sure okay posted:case in point A fine example.
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Jul 19, 2023 21:51
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I think GBS has collectively moved beyond the "sometimes slurs are funny" in general and there's already a forum that was specifically designed where you can do that so I don't understand why anyone is arguing about it here or when some people get hit for it here It makes me uncomfortable and I'm sure it makes a lot of others too
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Jul 19, 2023 21:56
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Toxic Mental posted:I think GBS has collectively moved beyond the "sometimes slurs are funny" in general and there's already a forum that was specifically designed where you can do that so I don't understand why anyone is arguing about it here or when some people get hit for it here  There's clearly a place for it with like minded people. So where's the hangup.
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Jul 19, 2023 22:00
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:i dont really care about 6ers because they're funny the annoying part is goons obessing over slurs when its something that isnt even a slur in the first place or lecturing a queer person about how they cant call things gay (pejorative) as a joke. this entire argument is stupid but reading posts and understanding the usage of the words in the post before pressing the button is an important skill for a moderator to have one thing I've been noticing around the forums, in general but especially as of late in gbs is the use of "slurs" as vaguely as possible, depending on who you're talking to that could be either some real nasty hate speech or calling something gay where the joke is that you're acting like a middle schooler, that's a pretty wide net to cast and I think there's a real attempt there to overstate the harm in service of forum grudges and wars and all that other poo poo instead of real concern for fighting bigotry
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Jul 19, 2023 22:01
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Okay I'm not trying to own the dude or anything but I keep thinking this every time somebody talks about slurs in the context of people getting upset about AIDS as a homophobic slur (which I'm kind of assuming all of this is about) and it's driving me crazy. Isn't the logic that got posted for why it's a homophobic slur like, beat for beat the logic that got used to to stir up gay panic in the 80s and label AIDS as "the gay plague" and "god's judgement on those sinners" and other terrible poo poo? If I've completely lost the plot let me know but I swear that's the history. Regardless it seems odd to me, there are a lot of diseases that affect some groups of people more than others but like, I don't think anybody's going around telling people they can't say Diabetes and I don't think I've ever in my life run into anybody saying AIDS is a homophobic slur before this whole thing on the forums. surc fucked around with this message at 22:13 on Jul 19, 2023 |
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Jul 19, 2023 22:11
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:i dont really care about 6ers because they're funny the annoying part is goons obessing over slurs when its something that isnt even a slur in the first place or lecturing a queer person about how they cant call things gay (pejorative) as a joke. this entire argument is stupid but reading posts and understanding the usage of the words in the post before pressing the button is an important skill for a moderator to have I mostly agree with you on this, but It's a lot easier to parse intent with, something like FYAD which is a pretty tight knit community, vs some rando poster who you know nothing about. Also even in the case in question, I do have at least one gay friend who would get noticeably pissed on the few occasions someone said around him back when we were roommates. Some people are gonna be more sensitive than others. Does this mean I think it should be a word filter ban on sight? Nope. But I'd say at minimum make sure that the use is actually funny, and if you eat a sixer, you eat a sixer.
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Jul 19, 2023 22:12
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if this thread has taught us any lesson, it's that a lot of people can't parse context or intent
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surc posted:Okay I'm not trying to own the dude or anything but I keep thinking this every time somebody talks about slurs in the context of people getting upset about AIDS as a homophobic slur (which I'm kind of assuming all of this is about) and it's driving me crazy. Isn't the logic that got posted for why it's a homophobic slur like, beat for beat the logic that got used to to stir up gay panic in the 80s and label AIDS as "the gay plague" and "god's judgement on those sinners" and other terrible poo poo? I'm as confused as you are on that point. I know there's gonna be a wide variance on what people find offensive (I was ripped a new one for using ADHD as an adjective a few years back, and I've been diagnosed with it since I was 9 and was wildly confused about it), but to call it aids a slur on it's own is a big reach. I knew a weird dude way back when who used "gay as aids" as his go-to insult back in the day, but that's about as close as I can get, and it's clearly not what anyone here was doing.
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The hangup is you'll get hit for calling a thread aids while another mod thought it was ok to reverse a 6-er over calling someone autistic, and even before that another mod thought it was ok that a guy was accusing gay posters of faking it. surc posted:Okay I'm not trying to own the dude or anything but I keep thinking this every time somebody talks about slurs in the context of people getting upset about AIDS as a homophobic slur (which I'm kind of assuming all of this is about) and it's driving me crazy. Isn't the logic that got posted for why it's a homophobic slur like, beat for beat the logic that got used to to stir up gay panic in the 80s and label AIDS as "the gay plague" and "god's judgement on those sinners" and other terrible poo poo? Yes, you're right which is why it's also stupid to word filter mod it with that reasoning.
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Jul 19, 2023 22:19
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surc posted:Okay I'm not trying to own the dude or anything but I keep thinking this every time somebody talks about slurs in the context of people getting upset about AIDS as a homophobic slur (which I'm kind of assuming all of this is about) and it's driving me crazy. Isn't the logic that got posted for why it's a homophobic slur like, beat for beat the logic that got used to to stir up gay panic in the 80s and label AIDS as "the gay plague" and "god's judgement on those sinners" and other terrible poo poo? I feel like anyone who says that "______ is aids" isn't a loaded phrase any longer, or that that it doesn't still have a lot of negative power due to it being associated with the gay community for so long is probably lying to you. Same on the flipside with "I just really really hate the disease" or whatever someone tried to claim in the old thread. That's just how I see it though, obviously some people don't. edit: Basically I just think the current system is fine. People who Kramer into threads and go "this is aids" get probes, which is fine. Someone talking about virology or whatever in-context is going to be fine too. Context is king and people know the difference anyways. Toxic Mental fucked around with this message at 22:24 on Jul 19, 2023 |
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maybe we should enact word filters on a forum by forum basis so like if someone says "AIDS" in gbs it changes it to "8 piece mcnugget meal"
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Jul 19, 2023 22:20
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cant believe this topic is back but word filtering is fail and context is king imo
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Jul 19, 2023 22:21
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Who gives a poo poo at this point this is so tedious. Is the end goal here to remove the gbs mods who most people think are doing a good job? Do you even have a goal anymore?
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Jul 19, 2023 22:22
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Kild posted:The hangup is you'll get hit for calling a thread aids while another mod thought it was ok to reverse a 6-er over calling someone autistic, and even before that another mod thought it was ok that a guy was accusing gay posters of faking it. Yes, things need to be standardized and laid out, but the concept in general shouldn't be a hangup. That was more my point.
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AARD VARKMAN posted:My thoughts on the other topics are yeah
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Wendigee posted:Who gives a poo poo at this point this is so tedious. Who are you talking to?
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Toxic Mental posted:I think GBS has collectively moved beyond the "sometimes slurs are funny" in general and there's already a forum that was specifically designed where you can do that so I don't understand why anyone is arguing about it here or when some people get hit for it here
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Jul 19, 2023 22:35
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surc posted:Okay I'm not trying to own the dude or anything but I keep thinking this every time somebody talks about slurs in the context of people getting upset about AIDS as a homophobic slur (which I'm kind of assuming all of this is about) and it's driving me crazy. Isn't the logic that got posted for why it's a homophobic slur like, beat for beat the logic that got used to to stir up gay panic in the 80s and label AIDS as "the gay plague" and "god's judgement on those sinners" and other terrible poo poo? aids devestated the gay community in the 80's and was allowed to do so by the reagan administration which is why it was called the gay disease and had a stigma attached to it that persists to this day this isnt disputed by anyone but its also funny to call things gay as a childish insult because its funny. i dont consider it a slur either its the name of a disease and i actually think its worse if you try to make aids an exclusively gay thing since that was republican propaganda for years and still used as propaganda in some countries. this topic is stupid though and i honestly think its just an attempt to deflect legitimate feedback by creating an endless argument over what does and doesnt count as a slur 16-bit Butt-Head fucked around with this message at 22:49 on Jul 19, 2023 |
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Fluffdaddy posted:It was and is. That was and is literally exactly what I said. Thanks for agreeing with me. Karma Comedian fucked around with this message at 22:54 on Jul 19, 2023 |
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Jul 19, 2023 22:44
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hello my feedback is that giving out sixers earlier was the right call for making GBS threads up the thread but it was obvious as hell that karma only did it to the people perceived to be on the opposite side to him. to seths credit you can see he went in afterwards and probed all the gbs idiots on the other side of the debate who were also being inflammatory. you should sixer more often, nobody should get mad about them, they're as mild as it gets. but do it to everyone equally. OK bye.
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Jul 19, 2023 22:45
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hot cocoa on the couch posted:cant believe this topic is back but word filtering is fail and context is king imo People who have family members or other people they care about, including themselves, for whom well recognized slurs - including the R slur - are hurtful, painful things that still do have power over them - do not seem to matter to people who post this opinion. I don't feel safe talking about why it matters to me, because of how people here talk about it, but it matters to me, and it really sucks to see people acting like it's ok and that people like me who aren't ok with slurs in any context are somehow being weird or stupid or whatever for saying so. I struggle to imagine any context in which using slurs are fine or funny. Maybe you can think of some, but I can't. I understand FYAD to be the place where slurs are ok, so i don't read FYAD. That's fine for them if they've decided it's ok, it's not for me to decide what other people are OK with. But I would at least appreciate clear labels on forums and threads where it's ok to use slurs. I don't want to see that poo poo and you can think whatever you want of me for that, I don't care. If the answer is no, there will be no such labelling, okay, fine, it is what it is. I'd sure appreciate it though because it does matter to me.
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AARD VARKMAN posted:My thoughts on the other topics are My feedback is that AARD VARKMAN is right.
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Stupid is also a slur fwiw.
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Dr. Cool Aids posted:it was obvious as hell that karma only did it to the people perceived to be on the opposite side to him. I actually gave out a lot of sixers and Seth picked up when I went to work. I'm not sure what "sides" you're referring to.
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Fluffdaddy posted:Who are you talking to? Whoever is still upset. I don't even know what the argument is anymore.
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Karma Comedian posted:That was and is literally exactly what I said. Considering you were sixering and dismissing everyone else, I figured you were being sarcastic with me as well. But I was mistaken. My apologies.
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Wendigee posted:Whoever is still upset. If you don't know what's going on you can just not post. Most recent attempt to get things centered in here already went to poo poo anyway.
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I thought the issue was resolved except for a few people who wanted some gbs mods removed for their heinous acts. Is there another pressing issue because I'm just seeing that and word modding fights over a s over again in a circle.
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Fluffdaddy posted:Considering you were sixering and dismissing everyone else, I figured you were being sarcastic with me as well. But I was mistaken. My apologies. I was sixering people for disregarding the multiple instructions and warnings to take the argument elsewhere, not dismissing or being sarcastic anything. The posts are all here, in public view, in this thread. I know a bunch of people are all irony poisoned but I've been sincere in every post here. Stopping an argument that has been told to stop is part of the duties of a moderator. DW decided apropos of nothing that I was talking specifically and only to them, even though I explained to them I wasn't, and that they'd responded to a post that wasn't about them, and they decided to keep going. Out of everyone arguing when I posted to stop, they're the only one that took it personally or thought it was directed explicitly at them. I've never even said he specifically was sniping, and I challenge anyone to find where I did. I was beyond patient, to the point of receiving several complaints from other members of the community about the guy monopolizing the thread, and I gave more than enough warnings and options to cut it out. My final warning was even quoted to continue the argument.
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