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More general forums and av buying feedback, buuuuut THAT'S how you weaponize an av. Thank you for your service, whoever had the spare 
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yeah it's funnier now that it's spreading tbh
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Jul 20, 2023 00:39
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lol why AI generate a crying toddler if you're just going to use the same one
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Jul 20, 2023 00:40
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lol Now reveal who bought the av Jeffrey!!!
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Jul 20, 2023 00:40
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he can't, the nerds can only track the av if you buy it for yourself unless....
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Jul 20, 2023 00:41
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Remember to log in if you buy AV's!
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Jul 20, 2023 00:43
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Psycho Landlord posted:he can't, the nerds can only track the av if you buy it for yourself yeah, since "buying yourself avatar" is a different price than "buying someone else an avatar" (or being bought one, I suppose) so shows up differently in logging, IIRC
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Jul 20, 2023 00:43
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Tai posted:Why is AV/red text buying for posters even a thing anyway title/post combo
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Jul 20, 2023 00:44
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can we get to the part where it turns out one of the mods is doing these for free that'll be the real funny part
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Jul 20, 2023 00:45
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dervival posted:yeah, since "buying yourself avatar" is a different price than "buying someone else an avatar" (or being bought one, I suppose) so shows up differently in logging, IIRC It's not the price difference, it's the fact that you have to be logged in to use the option to buy for yourself, but not to buy one for someone else - that's how SPR got got.
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Jul 20, 2023 00:46
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Cthulu Carl posted:It's not the price difference, it's the fact that you have to be logged in to use the option to buy for yourself, but not to buy one for someone else - that's how SPR got got. ah, that makes more sense; definitely some minor change in data available, though that one is a lot more obvious haha
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Jul 20, 2023 00:47
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My new AV edgy
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Jul 20, 2023 00:47
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avatar: way of whiner
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Jul 20, 2023 00:48
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i don't care abt it lol, as long as ppl don't get nasty ones and the person is bein' a scamp rather than frothing it's just a goofy use of 10 bucks
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Jul 20, 2023 00:48
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Douche Wolf 89 posted:i don't care abt it lol, as long as ppl don't get nasty ones and the person is bein' a scamp rather than frothing it's just a goofy use of 10 bucks up to $30 already, not bad for a few pages work
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Jul 20, 2023 00:52
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The nefarious avatar buying crew strikes again
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Jul 20, 2023 00:54
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Fluffdaddy posted:I guess my counterpoint is that its a poor decision to stifle a line of communication that is feedback, whether you like it or not, because you personally feel the conversation is over. Then to go to SAD and be condescending in the feedback thread there is also not a good call. I'm not the one being condescending here. If you don't want to believe my posts were in earnest that's a you decision, but it has no bearing on the reality of the situation which is that I've been sincere and earnest in my postings about this weird "incident" the entire time until now in all forums and PMs. You're assuming my motivations are different when I've spelled them out clearly several times.i gave several options for other venues, all were rejected. As a mod, I represent the community that I moderate not me, not Seth, not any other weird cabal of "teams" or "sides" or whatever other dumb paranoid delusion people want to believe. Some guy screaming in the thread and demanding people go through and find examples of things he hasn't even been accused of is not feedback. Telling people to take that elsewhere isn't "stifling" the conversation. Karma Comedian fucked around with this message at 06:53 on Jul 20, 2023 |
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Jul 20, 2023 01:01
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You were being condescending actually. Hth
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Jul 20, 2023 01:04
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I submit that it's possible to feel condescended to and for the other party to not have any intention of being condescending. Both can be valid.
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Jul 20, 2023 01:07
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Cousin Todd posted:I submit that it's possible to feel condescended to and for the other party to not have any intention of being condescending. Both can be valid. A fair point. I don't think there's any world where "hth" to someone asking you a direct question isn't intentionally condescending though.
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Jul 20, 2023 01:09
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Karma Comedian posted:I'm not the one being condescending here. If you don't want to believe my posts were in earnest that's a you decision, but it has no bearing on the reality of the situation which is that I've been sincere and earnest in my postings about this weird "incident" the entire time in all forums and PMs. i literally only asked you and Seth, the mods who are expected to give guidance on feedback on the thread they mod. you are complaining that people were condescending to you too, which is extremely goober behaviour when you refer to paranoid delusions and get defensive when told you did it. mods should be expected to give examples of what they're talking about, that is not an offensive ask lol
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Cousin Todd posted:I submit that it's possible to feel condescended to and for the other party to not have any intention of being condescending. Both can be valid. yeah this is absolutely true, you don't get to dictate other people's feelings, and when multiple posters are taking issue with a specific post or part of a post maybe a little more contrition than "nuh uh" would be welcomed Babe Magnet fucked around with this message at 01:19 on Jul 20, 2023 |
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Jul 20, 2023 01:12
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surc posted:Okay I'm not trying to own the dude or anything but I keep thinking this every time somebody talks about slurs in the context of people getting upset about AIDS as a homophobic slur (which I'm kind of assuming all of this is about) and it's driving me crazy. Isn't the logic that got posted for why it's a homophobic slur like, beat for beat the logic that got used to to stir up gay panic in the 80s and label AIDS as "the gay plague" and "god's judgement on those sinners" and other terrible poo poo? its ok to call aids the gay disease if its to pwn your posting foes, thusly
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Jul 20, 2023 01:19
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Rust Martialis posted:I was, and lost friends, and friends of friends, when it was still a long death sentence in the years before any real treatment was available. It's not a nice death. So yeah, gently caress you to people who use it as a slur, from someone who remembers. really nasty guy lol
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Jul 20, 2023 01:22
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I think it is patronizing to tone-police communities and this should be avoided - however, it's also patronizing to think that it must be only childish sensitivity and not lived experiences driving other posters to say they're not comfortable with certain words being used around them or in the subforums they post in where this isn't already a thing. I don't have an answer as to what is the right thing for mods to do in terms of what rules to put where, but just an observation to consider before the conclusion is drawn that it's only thin-skinned scolds keeping the issue surrounding offensive words and slurs(both different, but both brought up in here) alive. Imagine if someone does have a bad lived experience driving their discomfort - do you think they'd want to talk about it with how aggressive these conversations get? gently caress no. They'll probably just leave the space and find somewhere else to post - which is fine and cool for tight-knit communities, but kind of counterproductive if a place is supposed to feel more open to everyone posting in it.
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Jul 20, 2023 01:30
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I slept on this post because I really don't like giving out personal information online but woke up and am still feeling the same so: With regards to word filter moderation, and not wanting to give out too many details about my life online, I'm under the queer umbrella and going to be extremely angry if someone calls me a fag. Calling things AIDS just feels gross. The company I work for does various support stuff for people with mental disabilities, it used to have the word "Retarded" in its title, and changed it several decades ago because it was insulting to our clients, and I work both alongside and with neuro-divergent people. I'm only sharing even those personal details because I keep seeing people say that it's only straight, cis, neurotypical, etc. who are pearl-clutching about slurs, but some of them are directed at groups I'm a part of and I do find them incredibly insulting. Just because you personally don't, doesn't mean that's the case for the group they're directed at as a whole. If you're in a group chat or whatever talking to someone who you know doesn't give a poo poo it's whatever, but these are a public forum and personally, I'd rather not have people throwing them around like it's nothing, and would rather their use going unpunished after examining context be the exception rather than the rule, if for no other reason that it gives genuine bigots space to fly under the radar. Worst case it's a sixer if you get hit wrongly, who gives a gently caress? I don't wanna associate or be associated with people who use any of that language. While I was typing this and considering whether or not I actually wanted to post it Counted made their post where they said the same thing but maybe better. I'd rather gently caress off somewhere else than be around people throwing around slurs like it's nothing.
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Jul 20, 2023 01:35
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Counted posted:I think it is patronizing to tone-police communities and this should be avoided - however, it's also patronizing to think that it must be only childish sensitivity and not lived experiences driving other posters to say they're not comfortable with certain words being used around them or in the subforums they post in where this isn't already a thing. And I would argue that it is not other people's, especially strangers, responsibility to mince their words around you on a message forum to protect you from your own trauma. Like if someone was directly insulting a person by being a bigot, then that is an immediate ban, if not a permaban. But posters should not have to have to wonder if every post they make is going to hurt someone elses feelings, especially if they are not directed at them.
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Drone_Fragger posted:The nefarious avatar buying crew strikes again thats the other c-word ur not supposed to use you will regret this post op
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Fluffdaddy posted:And I would argue that it is not other people's, especially strangers, responsibility to mince their words around you on a message forum to protect you from your own trauma. Do you mean to say you don't think any posting of slurs or other offensive terms should be probated? Why is it reasonable to be offended by ableist posts, for example, but people affected by HIV are just thin-skinned for not wanting to see people making aids poo poo posts? Which marginalized people are allowed to be offended by mockery here, and which ones should just suck it up, in your opinion?
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Jul 20, 2023 01:56
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ArchRanger posted:Worst case it's a sixer if you get hit wrongly, who gives a gently caress? I think people who repeatedly violate that rule should be ramped, it being a 6 hour probe no matter how many times you do it, and no matter how flagrantly, just turns it into a badge of honor for some people. Like it's almost a cute little thing, they get a little 'bonk' probation reason or whatever for six hours, the 150th one they've gotten for the same reason. That's not going to change anyone's behavior and it doesn't show that it's being taken seriously because it isn't. someone who calls someone the r slur on 50 different occasions should by then at least be getting more than a 6er. As it is, someone getting their 35th 6 hour probation for calling someone the r slur is more legitimizing it and establishing that it's actually fine way more than it is establishing that it's not fine.
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Jul 20, 2023 01:59
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run on sentience posted:Do you mean to say you don't think any posting of slurs or other offensive terms should be probated? Why is it reasonable to be offended by ableist posts, for example, but people affected by HIV are just thin-skinned for not wanting to see people making aids poo poo posts? Which marginalized people are allowed to be offended by mockery here, and which ones should just suck it up, in your opinion? I think context matters entirely. I think people mocking other people should be punished and probated heavily. I don't think the words themselves are the problem here I think the intent is. I don't think I am being obtuse here so explain to me how you can read the words I am typing and come to the conclusion you just did?
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run on sentience posted:Do you mean to say you don't think any posting of slurs or other offensive terms should be probated? Why is it reasonable to be offended by ableist posts, for example, but people affected by HIV are just thin-skinned for not wanting to see people making aids poo poo posts? Which marginalized people are allowed to be offended by mockery here, and which ones should just suck it up, in your opinion? That's quite the leap from what they said "if someone was directly insulting a person by being a bigot, then that is an immediate ban" to your interpretation.
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teemolover42069 posted:I think people who repeatedly violate that rule should be ramped, it being a 6 hour probe no matter how many times you do it, and no matter how flagrantly, just turns it into a badge of honor for some people. Like it's almost a cute little thing, they get a little 'bonk' probation reason or whatever for six hours, the 150th one they've gotten for the same reason. That's not going to change anyone's behavior and it doesn't show that it's being taken seriously because it isn't. someone who calls someone the r slur on 50 different occasions should by then at least be getting more than a 6er. As it is, someone getting their 35th 6 hour probation for calling someone the r slur is more legitimizing it and establishing that it's actually fine way more than it is establishing that it's not fine. Yeah I definitely mean for a first offense. I wish mods ramped people posting the same rule-breaking poo poo faster.
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Jul 20, 2023 02:05
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run on sentience posted:Do you mean to say you don't think any posting of slurs or other offensive terms should be probated? Why is it reasonable to be offended by ableist posts, for example, but people affected by HIV are just thin-skinned for not wanting to see people making aids poo poo posts? Which marginalized people are allowed to be offended by mockery here, and which ones should just suck it up, in your opinion? good loving god you’re stupid (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jul 20, 2023 02:07
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Thank you to Counted and ArchRanger for your posts.
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Fluffdaddy posted:And I would argue that it is not other people's, especially strangers, responsibility to mince their words around you on a message forum to protect you from your own trauma. I would agree, but that's not the ask and I'm instead saying think of the dynamic here - do you think the number of people who have negative experiences involving these words is small? Also, there's more than individual trauma involved in why these words have weight. Let's not minimize the wider context behind why these words have made entire groups of people feel the way they do outside these forums and pretend that they're reading all these posts in a society-less vacuum. Anyone who has lived in a racist area of the South, as an example, isn't just contending with their individual trauma when they're trying to feel comfortable around a racial slur. It's reductionist as hell and misses other reasons why someone would initially want to leave a space where slurs are commonplace and they weren't expecting it. quote:Like if someone was directly insulting a person by being a bigot, then that is an immediate ban, if not a permaban. But posters should not have to have to wonder if every post they make is going to hurt someone elses feelings, especially if they are not directed at them. That's exactly my point - folks using these words after they've already been normalized somewhere, among people they're familiar with, won't have to worry about this sort of thing or worry about not being accepted in good faith or having to explain themselves if they're misunderstood. That's why folks having smaller subforum communities where they can say these things around people they know and are able to just post freely are cool and good and should be preserved. However, it's unrealistic to think it's going to be the same in a broader space. There's going to be less shared context and more of a gap possibly in shared experiences, right? Case in point - let's say slurs are allowed here in GBS now and there's a slur in someone's response to something another poster shared that they used ironically, but the other poster doesn't know them in that way, has no familiarity with them. Both of them are posters who have every right not be tone-policed by outside people normally when this sort of thing comes up. You now have two posters who would have gotten along eventually just pissing each other off publicly somewhere, with posters who might have much less of substance to say, when a simple rule in the wider forums that are clear, simple and visible would help prevent these kind of misunderstandings. How is that good moderation and rule setting? You're going to get even more conflicts that way. It's one thing for a community that's kind of narrow where the mods know everyone there to loosen the rules up a bit, but in a subforum with this many people you're just asking for a pretty lovely dynamic and I think it would create a GBS where these arguments are going to come up even more, not less. It's not a good solution imo
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aids isnt a slur
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Stux posted:aids isnt a slur Yeah, it's nowhere near as bad and isn't backed by a long history of institutional prejudice and/or oppression. I acknowledge that and am not equivocating them. That'd be disrespectful as gently caress. What I'm getting at, though, is that familiarity really drives how people respond to each other when something is said on the boundary of what they consider appropriate, and expecting differently from folks you're unfamiliar with just because this is happening online is pretty naive and you'll keep riling people up without realizing they have a good reason to be riled. It'll keep happening and people will continue fighting, because often both posters have substance and real life experiences driving why they're upset and pissed off and sniping at one another before it reached that point. Thinking it's always happening because the person upset about it is just too sensitive would be pretty lovely and I hope that's not how we usually roll here, it sounds like boomer logic to me Counted fucked around with this message at 02:41 on Jul 20, 2023 |
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Jul 20, 2023 02:38
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thats really gay. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Stux posted:thats really gay. thanks, it's my default setting
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