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You don't owe them anything even if you're having the time of your life, nobody's going to feel bad for Caesar's Palace if someone walks through their casino without spending any money either. I've spent some money on the monthly cards and battle passes but the idea that you owe it to f2p games to pay if you're having fun is ridiculous.
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Jul 20, 2023 20:12
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NeonPunk posted:Tbh after this patch I'm kinda leaning toward not paying anything because of their lackluster writing. I think I'm keeping the monthly card for now, but yeah I'm feeling a little underwhelmed too and think I'll skip the battle pass this time.
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sushibandit posted:Re: mahjong talk, genshin impact got the "Genius Invocation TCG" minigame a bit over 2 years into its run, so it wouldn't be odd to see something similar get added to SR, whether that be a mahjong-like game or something else. I just hope it's not another TCG, genshin's has some annoying issues. Maybe this, but I refuse to believe they'd pick some type of mahjong and put it in the game. Plus it seems to be what qingque's always going on about
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acumen posted:the battlepass/welkin are arguably fine ways to spend your money but lol at dropping $40 or whatever on a ten pull of lovely 3* light cones and an arlan dupe yeah this, i thought about buying gems but the pay-to-pull ratio is just so incredibly bad i know the model for this kind of game is to target whales and all, but i would
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Jul 20, 2023 20:31
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big cummers ONLY posted:Stop spending money, you dorks Basically if your mindset is "I'll just see if I get lucky with another few 10-rolls," that's bad news! Because you likely won't, and that sort of reasoning has no end (because it's just gambling addiction). It will pop up over and over with future banners. I'm a little concerned by the posters who started F2P and suddenly started spending money recently as the early-game source of currency dried up, since that's basically how the game manipulates you. It gets you used to a certain flow of rolls, so you feel its absence when it ends. IMO if you're spending money on rolls it's only okay/healthy if you recognize the reality of what you're doing - spending very excessive amounts of money to directly purchase game content. Like if you have the disposable income and have decided that you'd rather spend it on this game than eating at a fancy restaurant, buying other games, or the other things you could spend recreational money on - then whatever, it's not a big deal. But if you find yourself trying to rationalize it, you're just getting addicted to gambling.
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Jul 20, 2023 20:33
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Mulva posted:You should spend a little money, if you feel like a game has developed good value for the time you put into it and you have a little money. Like get a battle pass if you filled it out or the 5 buck a month thing once or twice. It's been said, but you aren't supporting a good dev for making a good game, you're supporting a casino that psychologically pressured you into spending cash. It would be one thing if people were getting a good product, but you're not - the product is intentionally designed to encourage you to spend. Whenever people post about spending, they use phrases like "I caved," or couch it in qualifiers and rationalizations. Because often, the reason they spend is because the game feels throttled unless they do it, either by limiting playtime, or limiting access to characters and power. It's fine to spend if you want and you can afford it, but like kool-aid said, it's the same as supporting a casino AND delivers an identical life-ruining addiction to susceptible people
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Finally got Sampo up to usable levels in anticipation of Kafka and he's a ton of fun but good god his combat barks sound awful.
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the only reason I paid for blade is that he filled a niche I didn't have. Now I can wait for Fu Xuan, and after getting her/lynx and getting an all-quantum team I pretty much won't have to pay another cent on this game, I'll have a team for everything
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big cummers ONLY posted:It's been said, but you aren't supporting a good dev for making a good game, you're supporting a casino that psychologically pressured you into spending cash. It would be one thing if people were getting a good product, but you're not - the product is intentionally designed to encourage you to spend. Whenever people post about spending, they use phrases like "I caved," or couch it in qualifiers and rationalizations. Because often, the reason they spend is because the game feels throttled unless they do it, either by limiting playtime, or limiting access to characters and power. It's fine to spend if you want and you can afford it, but like kool-aid said, it's the same as supporting a casino AND delivers an identical life-ruining addiction to susceptible people I mean, it's a casino, but there are also people who work for the casino. Writers, artists, translators, etc. And, well, gacha games are where the big bucks are these days if you work in any related field. I personally get paid by a gacha company (not this one) and it's an incredibly stable source of income if you're a freelancer. Not to say that all the money you spend goes to the devs instead of some soulless suits somewhere, but it's not completely vanishing into the aether either.
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Even putting aside the morality of it, Mihoyo is making ungodly amounts of money from the addicts already, so there's absolutely no reason for people to feel obligated to spend money out of gratitude in order to keep the lights on. The product is basically a commercial to promote the slot machine (something I feel like this patch's msq made a little too blatant), and you don't send in checks to companies that make commercials you like.
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Jul 20, 2023 21:00
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I guess another way to look at it is that they made the game free to download because they expect a large portion of their audience will never pay a single cent.
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I liked this patch’s MSQ personally, my only real complaint is that it was a bit too busy. I think the Ravager twist and Dan Heng’s reveal were one too many for one patch, and stopping the Followers of Abundance/beating Dan Shu should have been the end of either it’s own set of patch content or immediately happened after the deer. It definitely ended in a rush, but I liked everything after that.
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big cummers ONLY posted:It's been said, but you aren't supporting a good dev for making a good game, you're supporting a casino that psychologically pressured you into spending cash. I respect hustle, so I have no problem with that either. On balance I don't know what the most horrifically abusive of all the games specifically is [I want to say....CS:Go? Because you can sell the things you get on the market. Short of selling accounts, which happens, most of the poo poo you roll on is just for you in these gachas. CS:Go knives can go for "Cheap car" money, gets people to do stupid things to try and get them. It's more visceral when you could get something practical out of it. And if not them Fortnite of course, because of it tripling down on targeting children], but the entire field is basically psychological warfare to break your will and trigger the addiction centers of your brain. Absolutely. It is at best amoral bottom line capitalism, and at worst immorally taking advantage of psychological damage to make a buck. But fun is fun. If you have the money, and if you had a bunch of fun for a long time, and if you don't have a moral objection to gambling companies, and if if if if.....a whole lot of ifs. Yeah it's fine to give a company a few bucks. There is no ethical consumption under capitalism, never has been, now we move on. Support people who make things you think are good if you can. If you don't think it's "Good" or you can't, don't.
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https://gameworldobserver.com/2023/06/09/mihoyo-profit-revenue-2022-more-than-activision-ea-embracer Just gonna leave this here. Also reminder, not revenue, profit. 1.Tencent 2. Tencent Gaming 3.Sony 4.Nintendo 5.miHoYo 6.Sony (Game & Network Service) 7.Activision Blizzard 8.Bandai Namco Holdings 9.Electronic Arts 10.Nexon 11.Konami Group (Digital Entertainment) 12.Cygames 13.Capcom 14. Konami Group 15. Square Enix HD 16.Koei Tecmo Holdings 17.Ubisoft Entertainment Thats off essentially 2 games and when you think of the difference between Honkai Impacy 3rd and Genshins revenue really its one game. No obligations to spend for me when I consider this, I just do my Welkin and Express Supply a month and leave it at that. Also anyone using IOS or Google Play to top up and not Mihoyos own top up site if they get in game currency is a rube since its extra for the apple tax. Frankly I'm surprised these games even still top mobile charts in Asia most of the time they have banner updates since you're just paying extra and the top up site is just as accessible from phones. Kale fucked around with this message at 21:31 on Jul 20, 2023 |
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Are there people in the grand theft auto thread griping about how you shouldn’t give rockstar money
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Good/lovely companies aside I've been down the hole of light whaling in ffrk and feh, maybe a few hundred on each, and it's easily forgotten. Just a big warning to anyone new to gachas and a reminder for experienced Gacha Gamers that it's never worth it and you will not be able to fill that hole in your heart and life with more waifus at like $250 a pop on average
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It would be cool if suddenly miHoYo called me and said "we are giving you ownership of our company." I would be so rich! I would then make the company use some of its profits to hire my favorite music artist Shiina Ringo to make music for the game. I would also give all the players a single free 10-roll, earning their loyalty. They would praise me as FF14 players praise Yoshi-P. Edit: I would personally show up in the game as an anime and speak directly to the players, just as Yoshi-P does
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padijun posted:Are there people in the grand theft auto thread griping about how you shouldn’t give rockstar money I feel like just being financially responsible is good enough.
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Running world 7 with Remembrance is really fun. gently caress you, deer. Get frozen forever.
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Leraika posted:Running world 7 with Remembrance is really fun. gently caress you, deer. Get frozen forever. The "120% freeze after 6 hits" is my must-have, must-upgrade every time. Literally all my runs are Main Hunt, Secondary Remembrance (ice resist down) for that one blessing. I don't run shielders.
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Yeah the issue is both the amount you have to spend to really get anything and how it can become addicting. No one goes off about buying league skins or whatever. It's kind of shocking how quickly they can catch you if you aren't aware of it. I know I've been caught up in it a few times, but I have the disposable income where that's fine. But it did make me keep a running spreadsheet of what I've spent so I don't go over.
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padijun posted:Are there people in the grand theft auto thread griping about how you shouldn’t give rockstar money I wasn't saying you shouldn't give them money--I'm giving them money myself. I was objecting to the idea that anyone's obligated to do so just because they're enjoying the game. If you're enjoying the game without spending money, congrats, you won.
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Spoilers for Yukong story quest I love how this game breaks all the rules of anime otaku poo poo by having the mom be the one with the unique flashy design and the daughter be the drab looking NPC. No way Qingni will ever be as Kool as Yukong
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Meowywitch posted:all the upcoming characters look so cool They do! I’m having a real hard time narrowing down who I want to pull for. I think after Kafka it’s Imbibator and then wait. Mostly because my jade will be drained after pulling back-to-back like that. But currently my only real big hypercarry 5-star is Seele so I’d like another SP hungry character to dump out tons of damage and Imbibitor seems like he’ll do just that! Also because I got a ballin’ Imaginary racetrack orb from the new SU and it’s pretty tailor-made for him.
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Eimi posted:Yeah the issue is both the amount you have to spend to really get anything and how it can become addicting. No one goes off about buying league skins or whatever. It's kind of shocking how quickly they can catch you if you aren't aware of it. I know I've been caught up in it a few times, but I have the disposable income where that's fine. But it did make me keep a running spreadsheet of what I've spent so I don't go over. Yeah I started tracking my spending and it helped kick the gacha habit. Now that I've got my two teams in HSR I feel no need to even grab the welkin/bp anymore so it's smooth sailing from here.
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big cummers ONLY posted:Stop spending money, you dorks i dont know, seems to have worked out fine for that poster lol
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GateOfD posted:i love spending money (on various things in general) have you considered being financially responsible and buying nothing but the bare essentials and living a life of absolute frugality
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Futaba Anzu posted:have you considered being financially responsible and buying nothing but the bare essentials and living a life of absolute frugality I live in a wifi-connected hut in the woods (to have more money to spend on Gacha) J/k, I spent it all on candles.
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I'm pretty sure losing the 50/50 and spending money to "finish" the spark is the intended outcome. The salt-to-whaling pipeline is very real.
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Meowywitch posted:I can't wait until we go to Punklorde (and if fate is merciful it'll straight up just be our next destination) Planet Screwllum or we riot.
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Meowywitch posted:I can't wait until we go to Punklorde (and if fate is merciful it'll straight up just be our next destination) Can't wait to meet March 1337th, elite hacker
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One thing I do have to say is that the battles are now harder, just enough for me to actually start thinking of what my next moves should be and it actually made me use the consumables more often
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For the record, I'm entirely aware of my level of income and savings and I can handily afford what I've spent so far. I definitely am not intending to super-whale for eidolons (even if I accidentally got one this time) or anything. It has been more than I intended, I'll admit, and I plan on skipping the next two banners and basically stopping entirely after Fu Xuan
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Mulva posted:I respect hustle, maybe the saddest post I've read on SA in a long while
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