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Gonzo McFee posted:They're entitled, amoral careerists who see other people as tools for their own advancement. Think of the worst middle manager you've ever had. The ones even your bosses boss hated to be around. That's the entirety of the Labour right. The sort of person who doesn't desire child poverty, but is desperate for the positive feedback and career progression that follows an annual review in which not having implemented policies to prevent child poverty is praised.
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We have a political system that is designed to simply slow change. A protection of the status quo at all costs, combined with, I dunno, the 5 stages of grief? Nobody can deal with it because they always loop back to denial, anger, and bargaining, or depression, and if they finally reach acceptance, they essentially leave the game.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:https://twitter.com/Davejackson9876/status/1682106318667104256?s=20 Turns out she’s racist too. Sir Keith must apologise https://twitter.com/hannoir/status/21770205099?s=46&t=m_nNbkNoHG4lLitcpyHReg Screenshot before the inevitable shameful deletion: 
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Ok which one of you... https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-somerset-66237196 A man is to face trial accused of offences relating to someone wearing a black latex suit in public.
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Gonzo McFee posted:They're entitled, amoral careerists who see other people as tools for their own advancement. Think of the worst middle manager you've ever had. The ones even your bosses boss hated to be around. That's the entirety of the Labour right. There has been some press recently spinning Starmers current shadow cabinet as the most state educated ever, with only 13% privately educated (roughly in line with the population at large). Ignoring how many of them are from grammar schools, it's the best way to describe their vibe as the ones who aspired to be middle managers at school.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:https://twitter.com/Davejackson9876/status/1682106318667104256?s=20 https://twitter.com/lukeakehurst/status/1682127201615900680
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I'd really want to see a source on that claim because it sounds like bullshit to me. I have to get annual training on what my regulator considers improper gifts, and basic food is considered well within the norms of an appropriate gift. If I buy chocolates or pizzas for a contractor's staff nobody's going to raise an eyebrow. Could be the rules are different for politics but I'm skeptical given all the bullshit politicians get up to with their lobbyist mates.
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Campaigning on the basis of starvation and the continuation of said starvation does have some historical precedent, but I'm not sure that it's the kind that they want https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9S-eu3FW-U
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https://twitter.com/CeilNoyle/status/1681628573117849600 Basically this ^^^ https://www.linkedin.com/in/keir-mather-430862131/ Who the gently caress is this mini Keir? e: This is he: https://twitter.com/Mather_Keir/status/1681944534253547521 fuctifino fucked around with this message at 01:17 on Jul 21, 2023 |
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Actually I hate to say Duke Nuke'em is right but we were told this a few years ago when I was still in the party. We wanted to run a handful of ward-based prospective councillor meetings in one set of town council elections with tea & biscuits and told we were not allowed to offer tea & biscuits as it could be construed as bribes! So we would charge a nominal 50p or something. Can't remember what we did in the end. HOWEVER, in this case, they are already active supporters of the party and probably more than a few are indeed party members also turned out to canvas from around the country - so bribery or 'treating' doesn't really come into it. I would have thought a case could be made in terms of duty of care & health given the amount of physical work being done, the heat etc. Reveilled posted:I'd really want to see a source on that claim because it sounds like bullshit to me. I have to get annual training on what my regulator considers improper gifts, and basic food is considered well within the norms of an appropriate gift. If I buy chocolates or pizzas for a contractor's staff nobody's going to raise an eyebrow. Could be the rules are different for politics but I'm skeptical given all the bullshit politicians get up to with their lobbyist mates. I'd actually like to see that too. Smacks to me a bit of 'received wisdom'. And pondering further on this, surely accepting donations of any size, freebie tickets to major sports tournaments, summer parties at Murdoch's comes into the same - albeit reversed - category of being 'treating' - expecting something in return. Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 01:23 on Jul 21, 2023 |
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If every member of the Labour right contracted the most painful terminal disease overnight, my only regret is that I couldn't personally laugh in their faces as they died. They're so loving gleefully evil. It's insane. They don't even represent our horrible racist country because they're more evil and sadistic than the average racist gobshite. Way richer though.
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LMAO... Tories held by 495 votes https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1682204378151649282
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fatninja187 posted:Clearly the left hasn't been purged enough. quote:London mayor Sadiq Khan’s policy of expanding the Ulez low emission zone to outer boroughs – including Uxbridge and South Ruislip – has been blamed for the party’s failure to take the seat. https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1682206876807602178 11k lib dem majority lol
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Man Km Labour sure suck, though I've been saying this for about 20 years now.
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Apraxin posted:yeah, they're going to lay it all at the feet of the mad corbynista sadiq khan and his crazy treehugging schemes If they were the kind of talented politicians they always claim to be, they could have explained to the citizens of Uxbridge why ULEZ is actually a good thing. But they're not. They're just pricks who think wearing a suit makes you important.
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I am utterly surprised that Labours platform of, offer nothing, no change, no hope, no policies, didn't ignite the proverbial fires-in-the-chest of the voting public in Uxbridge. No, wait...what's the opposite of that? Not at all surprised? 😑 They're honestly going to lose the next general election. What a shitshow.
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Reveilled posted:I'd really want to see a source on that claim because it sounds like bullshit to me. I have to get annual training on what my regulator considers improper gifts, and basic food is considered well within the norms of an appropriate gift. If I buy chocolates or pizzas for a contractor's staff nobody's going to raise an eyebrow. Could be the rules are different for politics but I'm skeptical given all the bullshit politicians get up to with their lobbyist mates. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treating_(law) It seems that it is the case, it's covered under the Representation of the People Act (1983).
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Catzilla posted:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treating_(law) Seems like the labour party just likes starving young people Jaeluni Asjil posted:And pondering further on this, surely accepting donations of any size, freebie tickets to major sports tournaments, summer parties at Murdoch's comes into the same - albeit reversed - category of being 'treating' - expecting something in return. 
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I think this is the best result possible really. Bring on a hung Parliament and maybe we will see some actual change. Keith’s offer to the public is so pathetic and uninspiring that he can’t even flip a couple of thousands majority in the seat of the man who lied, cheated, thieved and drank his way through a pandemic and his time in office.
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No, this is the best result: https://twitter.com/SoozUK/status/1682275041411465216?t=oJZo8b4Fcpbiv5JqFe02Iw&s=19
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Bobby Deluxe posted:That's if they feed the voters. What's being discussed here is party officials getting themselves a pizza and offering nothing to the canvassers, i.e. people working for the party. Yes, but the canvassers themselves are voters too. I know it sounds like a pedantic distinction, but that is usually what a lot of law seems to boil down to.
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Hmm, so 1 Labour, 1 Lib Dem, 1 Tory hold. That's... mixed results, I guess? Ok, but not overwhelming for Labour.
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It's a good result which proves Kier is popular and labour are primed to take the next election It's a bad result which shows the damaging effects of Long Corbyn Both of these are true at the same time
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Catzilla posted:Yes, but the canvassers themselves are voters too. I know it sounds like a pedantic distinction, but that is usually what a lot of law seems to boil down to.
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Despite the crowing in the press, I don’t think “Tories lose two 20k majorities, hold on to the literal ex PM’s seat by a tiny majority” in the real world is anything but a Tory nightmare. More or less confirms national polling.
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smellmycheese posted:Incredible that less than half the people in Johnson’s constituency could be bothered to vote. Evidence in favour of the idea that the next GE will be a low energy, low turnout one.
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I'm hoping for a hung parliament Or is it hanged? Always get mixed up on that grammatical quirk gently caress, probably get sent to a g4s/atos reeducation centre for that one
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4000 less people voted Labour in Uxbridge than in 2019 with Crebbins Meanwhile in Frome: https://twitter.com/toryfibs/status/1682276657153949701?s=46&t=m_nNbkNoHG4lLitcpyHReg
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DesperateDan posted:I'm hoping for a hung parliament Even though people are hanged, a parliament is hung. Evidence that politicians are not people, but they're still massive dicks
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Catzilla posted:Yes, but the canvassers themselves are voters too. I know it sounds like a pedantic distinction, but that is usually what a lot of law seems to boil down to. There's a specific ruling on the law that it doesn't apply to ordinary hospitality. Treating only applies when you are offering someone incentives in exchange for their vote. You know, like in political lobbying.
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Wes Trea--Bobby Deluxe posted:Wes Treating gently caress
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It's technically illegal to offer hope of a better world- could be perceived as treating (a form of bribery that was common in the 19th century elections)
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smellmycheese posted:4000 less people voted Labour in Uxbridge than in 2019 with Crebbins I mean the electorate showing tactical voting discipline to that extent would be electoral apocalypse for the Tories if it held up in a GE.
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Jedit posted:There's a specific ruling on the law that it doesn't apply to ordinary hospitality. Treating only applies when you are offering someone incentives in exchange for their vote. You know, like in political lobbying. Yeah, which seems quite consistent with the plain language of the statute: quote:114Treating. Buying pizzas for your dedicated canvassers as thanks for their work isn't the same as that, you're not offering the food to influence them to vote for you. You can really twist your neck and imagine a chain of causality where someone agrees to become a canvasser as a result of the possible provision of future food, but even so the crime plainly requires a guilty mind on the part of the food's provider--the Crown would need to show the food's provider had a corrupt intent to influence the voting of the people being fed, when there's a much simpler explanation behind the act (gratitude for the work done canvassing). Especially so when a lot of the canvassers will be from outside the constituency and thus likely don't have a vote at all.
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Angrymog posted:With the ULEZ expansion are they grandfathering in cars that were 'resident' in the expanded zone or running a scrappage scheme to help people afford replacement cars? They do not grandfather in vehicles, there is a scrappage scheme available to people on certain low income benefits, but it will count as income/savings for the purposes of those benefits so it may disqualify you from them. The most you can get is £2k for a car or a bit less cash plus 1 or 2 annual bus passes.
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