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Minotaurus Rex posted:And what to get in terms a keyboard + mouse? I saw an iClever foldable keyboard/mouse thing that looked pretty neat. Thanks goons! Going to +1 this question - I've been thinking about getting a K400 Plus for using the Steam Deck as a living room TV, but not sure if there's better options out there.
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Jack-Off Lantern posted:I would never buy a controller without hall effect sticks ever again Do they feel the same as the normal sticks? Minotaurus Rex posted:Ayo my good goons, I’m looking to get some of those sweet sweet accessories, what would you go - for a PS5 controller? 8bitdo ultimate? Or something else? And what to get in terms a keyboard + mouse? I saw an iClever foldable keyboard/mouse thing that looked pretty neat. Thanks goons! Third party controllers offer way more for a cheaper price now but from what I’ve seen and tested myself they can be pretty unreliable because of poor QA control. First party controllers aren’t great either because they all use cheap lovely parts that break pretty fast if you actually play games but overall they will offer a more “stable” experience. I use a dual sense edge on the steam deck. I’m not a fan of the sticks at the bottom but the controller is comfortable enough for me and has essentially all the important features that the deck controls have. I wouldn’t recommend it for its price though, a normal ps5 controller would be enough if you don’t care about the back buttons.
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Kefa posted:Do they feel the same as the normal sticks? They're indistinguishable.
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Jack-Off Lantern posted:Stick drift is awful. fwiw I'm about to return my 8bitdo ultimate cause it doesn't work well on multiple things on my deck at all
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I still think regular ol' Xbox controllers are best in class. Love a controller where I can swap the batteries and not keep a cord on my desk/coffee table to charge it (using reusable AAs of course). No problems with the battery health degrading over time like Dual Shocks, 100% game compatibility, and I even use a USB receiver for the controller since it's more reliable than Bluetooth. Don't know why you'd use anything else unless it had more durability, which as far as I can tell zero controllers do (and it seems like regular Xbox controllers have a slight edge on reliability than PS/8bitdo).
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getting a car with two steering wheels because asymmetry causes me to start shrieking and rending my garments
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Macichne Leainig posted:Steam. Controller. 2. I'd pay a fat stack for them to release one with identical functionality to the built in deck controls. no question
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Tatsuta Age posted:fwiw I'm about to return my 8bitdo ultimate cause it doesn't work well on multiple things on my deck at all Whats your problem with it specifically?
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Jack-Off Lantern posted:Whats your problem with it specifically? The back paddles don't seem to work at all (it shows up varyingly as a Switch Pro or regular Dinput controller depending on whether you use 2.4ghz or BT), which is one of the main reasons I wanted to use it. Also in a couple apps (primarily emulationstation), the buttons don't behave or get mapped properly. I've updated the firmware, doesn't seem to help. Maybe I'm doing something wrong, I wish I liked it cause it has a good feel and the dock is nice, but it's just not working out.
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Tatsuta Age posted:I'd pay a fat stack for them to release one with identical functionality to the built in deck controls. no question For real though. If they could deliver that with the exact same feel/vibe as the Deck I’d be very happy
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Tatsuta Age posted:The back paddles don't seem to work at all (it shows up varyingly as a Switch Pro or regular Dinput controller depending on whether you use 2.4ghz or BT), which is one of the main reasons I wanted to use it. Also in a couple apps (primarily emulationstation), the buttons don't behave or get mapped properly. I've updated the firmware, doesn't seem to help. You do need to bind back paddles to face buttons/sticks with the PC software,you cannot map them directly
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Xbox controllers have been where I have landed repeatedly for controllers. I want hall effect sticks but there's always something weird about the 3rd party ones I don't like and I end up coming back. Removable batteries, the buttons and sticks are in the right places and they display correctly in most games. Maybe it's Stockholm syndrome since I've replaced pots on controllers several times...
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Jack-Off Lantern posted:You do need to bind back paddles to face buttons/sticks with the PC software,you cannot map them directly If you install the 8bitdo app on your phone you can change your mappings without needing to use a PC or anything. You dont need to mess with your pairings either. It works really well and just finds the controller nearby over bluetooth even while its connected to something else.
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Magic Shortbus posted:If you install the 8bitdo app on your phone you can change your mappings without needing to use a PC or anything. You dont need to mess with your pairings either. It works really well and just finds the controller nearby over bluetooth even while its connected to something else. Oh,I didn't know there's an app, thanks
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So when you say Xbox controllers are we talking Xbone controllers or what? Haven’t dabbled in that ecosystem for some time
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I haven't been paying much attention to emulation on the deck. I'm looking for a system that puts all of the classic 8 and 16 systems and games in the same general spot, and makes the interface as close as possible to the NES/SNES Classics. Bonus points if I can use retro achievements.
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That's just Emulation Station, Emudeck installs it by default. There are skins for it that rip off the NES and SNES classic UI but the default one is similar in spirit. You just have to spend a lot of time ripping boxart for all your games.
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:I haven't been paying much attention to emulation on the deck. I'm looking for a system that puts all of the classic 8 and 16 systems and games in the same general spot, and makes the interface as close as possible to the NES/SNES Classics. Bonus points if I can use retro achievements. Install EmuDeck and use Emulation Station. I’m pretty sure there’s an NES Classic theme available for it.
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Beastie posted:Post em because I'm not happy with mine. I installed 8-bit Cerberus's layout and then remapped my left controller to Walk Left (Left Arrow Key) and Walk Right (Right Arrow Key). I remapped crouch in the actual game to S and then remapped it to the left controller toggle in the control bindings. System Shock 2 was released before WASD and mouse became standard controls, so you are going to need to fiddle around a bit. It's worth it though because System Shock 2 is one of the best games ever made. Bonus tip; You can also play Doom 3:BFG Edition, which includes Doom and Doom 2 by simply changing the control scheme to "Gamepad With Joystick Trackpad", which works very well.
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homeless snail posted:That's just Emulation Station, Emudeck installs it by default. There are skins for it that rip off the NES and SNES classic UI but the default one is similar in spirit. You just have to spend a lot of time ripping boxart for all your games. Isn't there a boxart scraper for Emulation Station?
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sigher posted:Isn't there a boxart scraper for Emulation Station? Back in my day, we toiled in the online mines, scraping boxart for days on end. I still have muscle memory and finger calluses from editing filenames to remove [U] and [J].  
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Jack-Off Lantern posted:Stick drift is awful. Not to do a "works on my machine" but I've been gaming since like 1992 and have never once experienced stick drift on any controller. Knock on wood. The worst I've ever had was an N64 controller's stick getting a bit crunchy, but otherwise working normally. Then again, I've also never had any hardware fail on me, ever. Never had a bad hard drive, gpu, anything. So maybe I'm an anomaly.
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Dramicus posted:Not to do a "works on my machine" but I've been gaming since like 1992 and have never once experienced stick drift on any controller. Knock on wood. The worst I've ever had was an N64 controller's stick getting a bit crunchy, but otherwise working normally. Then again, I've also never had any hardware fail on me, ever. Never had a bad hard drive, gpu, anything. So maybe I'm an anomaly. It's this, but further to this, at least for me, it wasn't until owning and using joycons that I knew about stick drift in the first place. And I've been gaming since the same time, maybe even a few years more, I don't know.
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My first set of joy cons were returned and fixed. I've had 2-3 Xbox 360 and xb1 controllers start to drift. I replaced them with cheap lovely pots (they are not all created equal) and it happened again after a couple months. I repaired all of my N64 controller sticks a year ago and they're 90% like new. All of them were pretty bad before. I hope the next generation of consoles will go with hall effect sticks across the board. Hopefully Nintendo will learn at least.
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Not to rub salt in the wound, but I've got launch version Switch with the original joycons which I've been using ever since I got it and they are fine. I've probably got a 2+ saving throw for tech or something.
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Dramicus posted:Not to do a "works on my machine" but I've been gaming since like 1992 and have never once experienced stick drift on any controller. Knock on wood. The worst I've ever had was an N64 controller's stick getting a bit crunchy, but otherwise working normally. Then again, I've also never had any hardware fail on me, ever. Never had a bad hard drive, gpu, anything. So maybe I'm an anomaly. Same, the only stick I've ever had drift was a 15 year old Xbox 360 controller, and by then that pad had way more issues than just the sticks. My launch model joycons are both still fine. Often what people see as drift, especially if it's super early in the stick's life, is just bad factory calibration and can be fixed in software. Not to say the current design for most analog sticks is great, but I don't subscribe to the theory that hall effect sticks are inherently better over the natural lifespan of a device. Suburban Dad posted:I hope the next generation of consoles will go with hall effect sticks across the board. Hopefully Nintendo will learn at least. Yeah not gonna happen. Unless things change so it's not basically one company squatting the patent on them because it's the core of their business now. njsykora fucked around with this message at 21:57 on Jul 22, 2023 |
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njsykora posted:Yeah not gonna happen. Unless things change so it's not basically one company squatting the patent on them because it's the core of their business now. Have any companies investigated optical sticks recently? I remember them being a thing back in the thrustmaster days. If they work like other optical switches, they should be pretty resistant to drift too.
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I've been using the same xbox elite 1 controller for "since I bought it" and would kill someone for hall effects that I could swap in I was strongly considering getting the hall steam deck modules and desoldering them to put them in but my most recent replacements haven't started drifting yet so I'm not that desperate to experiment wildly i am begging you gulikit just sell me the module
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I find it hard to believe that anyone has ever owned an n64 controller for more than two years without the stick turning to dust.
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Ursine Catastrophe posted:I've been using the same xbox elite 1 controller for "since I bought it" and would kill someone for hall effects that I could swap in RandolphCarter posted:I find it hard to believe that anyone has ever owned an n64 controller for more than two years without the stick turning to dust.
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Commander Keene posted:I think Gulikit does sell a no-solder version of their hall effect analog stick replacements now, people were talking about them ITT a while back. The problem is they only sell no-solder versions-- they sell prebuilt modules for the steam deck and the joyconns that just need a screwdriver to swap out, but as far as I've found they don't sell just the joystick that can be soldered into anything made in the last 10 years that's been using the same lovely drift-prone joystick module.
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njsykora posted:Yeah not gonna happen. Unless things change so it's not basically one company squatting the patent on them because it's the core of their business now. Those patents should've expired by now? The Dreamcast controller had a hall effect stick and that was 24 years ago.
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Ursine Catastrophe posted:The problem is they only sell no-solder versions-- they sell prebuilt modules for the steam deck and the joyconns that just need a screwdriver to swap out, but as far as I've found they don't sell just the joystick that can be soldered into anything made in the last 10 years that's been using the same lovely drift-prone joystick module.
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RandolphCarter posted:I find it hard to believe that anyone has ever owned an n64 controller for more than two years without the stick turning to dust. Yeah but the N64 stick can go really floppy before it starts drifting because of how it's made. Stick drift was not the main problem there.
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njsykora posted:Yeah but the N64 stick can go really floppy before it starts drifting because of how it's made. Stick drift was not the main problem there. Correct, but "stick drift" has entered popular nomenclature as "any situation where a joystick doesn't respect your desired inputs regardless of cause" in the same way that "bricking" got redefined to "it doesn't turn on" so I look forward to seeing zoomer retro gamers talking about N64's "stick drift" at the next GDQ
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