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Presto
Nov 22, 2002

Keep calm and Harry on.

Absurd Alhazred posted:

For example, this completely unhinged story from *fanfare* Florida

The party of small government! Seriously, though, this is a direct result of a freakout from RWM.
There's an opinion piece in the WaPo about this today. Basically DeSantis 1) promoted the Bud Light boycott but 2) is now mad because it worked.

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Space Fish
Oct 14, 2008

The original Big Tuna.


I AM GRANDO posted:

Conservatives have long believed that everyone who can’t work deserves to die, and that some people deserve to die no matter what work they can do.

I've noticed that Frankl's "Man's Search For Meaning" gets recommended/cited by right-wing personalities fairly often, and I would love to hear greater analysis from them than either recounting the premise or "he learned to survive a living hell, so inspirational" takes. Frankl in the book delves into how some people acted more heroic when possible, while others became more cowardly/villainous. And others simply scraped along.

Gutfeld using the book to fire back on a point comparing the Holocaust and American slavery seems well past the point of intellectual dishonesty and into ghoulishness.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.
So I read a poll recently that said, finally, something like 80% or 85% of the Republicans in the country FINALLY believes in man made climate change, though I didn't check the cross tabs.

But it still burns my rear end, so to speak, as the entire country is basically roasting on a flat grill that for decades people like Rush Limbaugh and his clones on FOX and elsewhere were calling it a hoax and making fun of it. Back when we might actually have been able to do something about it. Some RWM shows are still mocking the idea but it seems like it's finally sunken in now that it's broiling people alive and flooding their homes as we brace for another upcoming hurricane season. HAven't seen any senators bringing in snowballs on the senate floor lately.

Texas of all states is asking Biden and the Federal Government to intervene it's so loving bad.

I still often wonder how this issue (along with the Iraq War disaster) might have gone differently had AL Gore won in 2000. Except, had the effects of climate in change in particular been mitigated under a hypothetical Gore administration, people would likely be saying it was all a big nothing and made up. No one remembers that we solved the hole in the ozone layer by direct government regulation, for instance.

eh...

Hannity is all in on Trump (of course) and strongly implying election fraud by saying that Republicans have to adapt the tactics of the democrats and embrace early voting, mail in ballots and "Extreme Ballot Harvesting" (that allows other people to deliver ballots cast by people who can't make it to the polls or don't mail them).

HIS OTHER IDEAS?

A national holiday for same day voting (but I'm sure with no rules that companies have to pay us for time off), paper ballots everywhere (I think that's already true) and no casting of ballots except on election day nor counting them and until the polls close. Yeah, Sean, that'll really solve having to wait 3 or 4 weeks to declare a winner, you loving idiot shill.

There's nothing currently wrong with our election system at all besides gerrymandering, the EC and fewer polling stations in poor and minority neighborhoods but, sure, let's work on a non existent problem while I tell everyone about mass election fraud without specifically saying it because my guys can't win a popular vote and, so far, the country is still rejecting your fascist horse poo poo.

BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 22:40 on Jul 25, 2023

This Is the Zodiac
Feb 4, 2003

Charlz Guybon posted:

Is this literally the worst thing ever said on air on Fox News?

https://twitter.com/DecodingFoxNews/status/1683605276472008705
Wait does he believe that arbeit actually machted them frei?

Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011

EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬
ROFL
https://twitter.com/theblaze/status/1682410626092613632?t=_uICNdxA51hFkJKoNUfWAQ&s=19

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos
I'm guessing it's the kind of thing where if they let John Klansman donate to Christ's Church of Whiteness Ltd, they have to let Sarah Doingthisforajob donate to whatever religious and/or nonprofit she wants, if they're matching either?

Truxton
Oct 31, 2012

Absurd Alhazred posted:

I'm guessing it's the kind of thing where if they let John Klansman donate to Christ's Church of Whiteness Ltd, they have to let Sarah Doingthisforajob donate to whatever religious and/or nonprofit she wants, if they're matching either?

TheBlaze is owned by Glenn Beck, so I wouldn't expect this to be truthful.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

I think it was established in the US current events thread that all matching donations are handled through a contracted third-party intermediary that allows employers to set limits on what orgs they deal with are and aren’t eligible for matching but which defaults to leaving everything available. Fox uses the default because nobody ever set up a custom list of charities, but nobody who works for Fox News has ever donated to the church of satan or planned parenthood or anything. Beck just got a pubic list of all the orgs the third-party company has available for all its clients.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos
Well, that's not as fun! :mad:

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin

This Is the Zodiac posted:

Wait does he believe that arbeit actually machted them frei?

Better,! It made them useful!

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

Truxton posted:

TheBlaze is owned by Glenn Beck, so I wouldn't expect this to be truthful.

Beck has a colossal axe to grind with Fox; iirc someone reported earlier that it's likely as simple as Fox having outsourced its employee donation match program.

Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011

EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬

Discendo Vox posted:

Beck has a colossal axe to grind with Fox; iirc someone reported earlier that it's likely as simple as Fox having outsourced its employee donation match program.

Hopefully that doesn't stop Tucker Carlson from accusing his former colleagues of being Secret Satanists!

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

Soon, we will be unstoppable!

BiggerBoat posted:

So I read a poll recently that said, finally, something like 80% or 85% of the Republicans in the country FINALLY believes in man made climate change, though I didn't check the cross tabs.
It still doesn't matter because they've turned defiant irresponsibility into their entire identity, so the problem for them is how to fix it in a way that their sacred way of life isn't disrupted.

"Yeah the planet is roasting, so how do I get someone else to subsidize our new power plants and homeowner's insurance so I can keep living in a desert/hurricane zone with my F-150 SuperCab and all-steak diet?"

OneEightHundred fucked around with this message at 05:55 on Jul 26, 2023

RoboChrist 9000
Dec 14, 2006

Mater Dolorosa

Charlz Guybon posted:

Is this literally the worst thing ever said on air on Fox News?

https://twitter.com/DecodingFoxNews/status/1683605276472008705

Even with the Overton window as far right as it is I still am, much as with Hogwarts Legacy's naked antisemitism earlier this year, kind of shocked this is able to happen in mainstream media so brazenly and with so little pushback. Like even after everything I'd have thought "deny the Holocaust on national TV" is one of those things that would still kill your career immediately with the possible exception of people named Trump.

stringless
Dec 28, 2005

keyboard ⌨️​ :clint: cowboy

In clarity, he's not denying the Holocaust. He's saying it was a good thing.

RoboChrist 9000
Dec 14, 2006

Mater Dolorosa
No, he's doing both. He's saying the murder of lazy or unskilled people is good and cool, but he's also saying the hard workers with utility survived and by design; he's denying that the goal of the Final Solution was to be the Final Solution. He's implying they were merely forced labor camps where they killed you if you didn't earn your keep, rather than what they were - death camps where some people they murdered quickly, and others they murdered slowly through work, with survivors happening by accident rather than design due to the end of the war and the liberation of the camps.
He's implicitly saying that the fact there are such a thing as concentration camp survivors was by design rather than something that only happened because the Nazis lost the war.

Edge & Christian
May 20, 2001

Earth-1145 is truly the best!
A world of singing, magic frogs,
high adventure, no shitposters

Discendo Vox posted:

Beck has a colossal axe to grind with Fox; iirc someone reported earlier that it's likely as simple as Fox having outsourced its employee donation match program.
The Blaze story literally cites that it is, to a company called Benevity, which handles donation matching for ABInbev, Adobe, Apple, AT&T, Citigroup, Clorox, Coca Cola, Dell, GE, Google, HP, IBM, Intel, Levi's, McDonald's, Merck, Microsoft, Morgan Stanley, Motorola, Oracle, Paypal, Prudential, Starbucks, Suntory, Toyota, UPS, Visa, and "hundreds of Fortune 1000 companies".

Most of the ones who don't use Benevity use Cybergrants, which has a similarly huge database of companies to match donations to and is used by Verizon, Walmart, and "more than half of the Fortune 100 companies."

The non-profit I work for is listed as a donor-matching org for what I assume are 99% of the above listed companies, and probably Fox from the sounds of it. We've actually received corporate donations from a tiny percentage of them. It's the rough equivalent of complaining that Samsung claims to support [this sort of thing], but you can download an app made by [someone who supports another type of thing] from the Google Play Store, therefore Samsung loves and supports every single view expressed on an app downloaded to their phones. Or that my org supports Jesse Watters because we potentially got like $20 in matching gifts from someone who worked for Newscorp in 2018.

PhazonLink
Jul 17, 2010
Beck's Ax to grind is a self inflicted wound. he thought he could Go Bender, have his own network, be the supa star. which he got, but he's burning money and he's probably got some stress from bs boss and management stuff instead of just being a fun talking head and letting Fox's production army deal with all the boring crap.


e: for other thoughts
he's also probably jealous of people like Tomi(and other Blaze alums??) , were able to get a job with Fox, and she probably poo poo talks him and says its a promotion/a better tier.

PhazonLink fucked around with this message at 21:54 on Jul 26, 2023

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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I'm pretty sure I've read multiple stories over the last 10 years or so about The Blaze getting close to having to shut down because they are out of money. I get the impression that unlike the Ben Shapiros/Charlie Kirks of the world, who have right-wing sugar daddies backing them up, Beck has never had one of them.

Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

FlamingLiberal posted:

I'm pretty sure I've read multiple stories over the last 10 years or so about The Blaze getting close to having to shut down because they are out of money. I get the impression that unlike the Ben Shapiros/Charlie Kirks of the world, who have right-wing sugar daddies backing them up, Beck has never had one of them.

He's yesterday's monster; the money has as you note mostly moved on to younger* talent** in the griftosphere.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.
So the RWM sphere is totally hyped about the Wonderful Judge who did a tremendous job and disallowed Hunter Biden's plea deal today. They're also really interested in that bag of White House coke. OK. It's worth discussing and certainly news worthy.

But listen to the radio and take a drink every time they say the word "hunter", "laptop", "sweetheart deal" or "China"

I got to thinking though. Hunter pled guilty and, like most plea deals, got a lighter sentence for it. He's also the son of the President of the United States so let's not delude ourselves here into thinking that he's not going to be treated differently than you or I and with a more gentle hand regarding these things. However, along those lines, again he pled guilty here. Let's say he says "gently caress that" and goes to trial like Trump with all the shenanigans that that entails.

Joe Biden can loving pardon him any time he wants, can't he? And certainly would I'd think. So isn't Hunter's plea an admission of his guilt, an attempt to own up to it and the complete opposite of the poo poo the GOP MAGA 1/6 Classified Documents Crew is doing?

So in addition to sudden very serious concern about nepotism and the selective prosecution of powerful rich people, the RWM is also incredibly concerned about the gun charge, where Hunter lied on his application, which gave me a good laugh but also bugs me a bit because it's perfect fodder for the "libs want to ban guns and want stricter laws but Hunter gets a sweetheart deal so they won't enforce their own legislation" and they're not entirely without a point.

Except, again, they don't seem to understand the nature of a plea deal.

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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Beck has clearly made attempts to get back into people's notice but it seems to have failed repeatedly

I really think just being able to have the platform of Fox News does a lot of work. Look at how nobody is talking about Tucker Carlson anymore and not really looking at his videos that much on Twitter/X/whatever now.

PhazonLink
Jul 17, 2010
dont know what its like in other parts of the country, but for me Fox News and the other 2 tiny cable news channels are both in the 20s.

even on non physical spaces, having a low number is a massive buff to traffic. lol if your channel like blaze, newsmax, or some other regressive poo poo is in the nose bleeds of 1XX.

Zwabu
Aug 7, 2006

It is hilarious how when Tucker got canned every freeper was like “I never watched Fox anyway and just watched his show online” and swore they would watch his show on Twitter or whatever and none of them are doing that.

Dirk the Average
Feb 7, 2012

"This may have been a mistake."

Zwabu posted:

It is hilarious how when Tucker got canned every freeper was like “I never watched Fox anyway and just watched his show online” and swore they would watch his show on Twitter or whatever and none of them are doing that.

To be fair, all of them could be doing that and it wouldn't register as more than a blip on the radar as far as show viewership goes.

PhazonLink
Jul 17, 2010
its also great that even being pals with musk directly , Tuck's user mins / screen inch / screen pixel numbers have a steep and clear trend down from episode 1 to whatever number he's at now.

Telegnostic
Apr 24, 2008

BiggerBoat posted:

I got to thinking though. Hunter pled guilty and, like most plea deals, got a lighter sentence for it. He's also the son of the President of the United States so let's not delude ourselves here into thinking that he's not going to be treated differently than you or I and with a more gentle hand regarding these things.

This is actually the opposite of what happened. The tax charges in particular are significantly more severe than what ordinary people would face. The IRS almost never pursues criminal charges for people who pay their taxes late. They just hit you with civil fines. It's pretty likely in this case that they felt they had to charge Hunter to avoid the appearance that they were going easy on him.

(It didn't work. It's hard to imagine that any penalty short of a firing squad would have satisfied right wing commentators.)

Mustang
Jun 18, 2006

“We don’t really know where this goes — and I’m not sure we really care.”
What is the point in appeasing conservative sensibilities? They will screech and whine no matter what happens.

Really wish we had a much more aggressive Democratic party that was willing to rub the Republican's noses in their own poo poo from time to time.

Conservatives are undeserving of decorum or decency, and a threat to anyone that isn't white, straight, christian, and conservative.

MrUnderbridge
Jun 25, 2011

Any guesses what take the wingosphere will have on Mitch's incident today?

My money's on totally ignoring it.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos
Normally I wouldn't give much of a poo poo about some powerful person's kid maybe getting some consequences, but he deserves to be pre-pardoned as far as I'm concerned, because he already had revenge porn against him entered into the Congressional record, and that's a cruel and unusual punishment if I ever saw one.

e:

MrUnderbridge posted:

Any guesses what take the wingosphere will have on Mitch's incident today?

My money's on totally ignoring it.

I saw wingnuts like Laura Loomer twxeet about how he's too old and there should be term limits.

Slowpoke!
Feb 12, 2008

ANIME IS FOR ADULTS

Telegnostic posted:

This is actually the opposite of what happened. The tax charges in particular are significantly more severe than what ordinary people would face. The IRS almost never pursues criminal charges for people who pay their taxes late. They just hit you with civil fines. It's pretty likely in this case that they felt they had to charge Hunter to avoid the appearance that they were going easy on him.

(It didn't work. It's hard to imagine that any penalty short of a firing squad would have satisfied right wing commentators.)

It’s insane. The charges are for not paying his taxes on time. Aside from the amounts being larger than what a normal person would owe, it is a crime that a large percentage of people have committed at one time or another. There’s usually just a monthly fee that accrues. It’s crazy that he is in court at all, considering he already paid it.

Killer robot
Sep 6, 2010

I was having the most wonderful dream. I think you were in it!
Pillbug

Mustang posted:

What is the point in appeasing conservative sensibilities? They will screech and whine no matter what happens.

Really wish we had a much more aggressive Democratic party that was willing to rub the Republican's noses in their own poo poo from time to time.

Conservatives are undeserving of decorum or decency, and a threat to anyone that isn't white, straight, christian, and conservative.

It's not about that and it's never about that; it's about making it clear to people who are not conservatives that, no, Democrats are not simply holding Republicans to double standards that they themselves will not keep, and both sides are not simply making similar mirrored accusations about the criminality of the other.

Given there's so much "well of course he's being shielded by the administration" even on the left perhaps it's a lost cause though.

Jesus III
May 23, 2007
Probation
Can't post for 4 hours!

BiggerBoat posted:

So the RWM sphere is totally hyped about the Wonderful Judge who did a tremendous job and disallowed Hunter Biden's plea deal today. They're also really interested in that bag of White House coke. OK. It's worth discussing and certainly news worthy.

But listen to the radio and take a drink every time they say the word "hunter", "laptop", "sweetheart deal" or "China"

I got to thinking though. Hunter pled guilty and, like most plea deals, got a lighter sentence for it. He's also the son of the President of the United States so let's not delude ourselves here into thinking that he's not going to be treated differently than you or I and with a more gentle hand regarding these things. However, along those lines, again he pled guilty here. Let's say he says "gently caress that" and goes to trial like Trump with all the shenanigans that that entails.

Joe Biden can loving pardon him any time he wants, can't he? And certainly would I'd think. So isn't Hunter's plea an admission of his guilt, an attempt to own up to it and the complete opposite of the poo poo the GOP MAGA 1/6 Classified Documents Crew is doing?

So in addition to sudden very serious concern about nepotism and the selective prosecution of powerful rich people, the RWM is also incredibly concerned about the gun charge, where Hunter lied on his application, which gave me a good laugh but also bugs me a bit because it's perfect fodder for the "libs want to ban guns and want stricter laws but Hunter gets a sweetheart deal so they won't enforce their own legislation" and they're not entirely without a point.

Except, again, they don't seem to understand the nature of a plea deal.

You're asking for logical thinking from people who are enraged.

The Islamic Shock
Apr 8, 2021

Jesus III posted:

You're asking for logical thinking from people who are enraged.
New strategy: have Hillary Clinton and George Soros commit every crime they believe shouldn't be illegal.

Aztec Galactus
Sep 12, 2002

Absurd Alhazred posted:



I saw wingnuts like Laura Loomer twxeet about how he's too old and there should be term limits.

Arguably no one has done more for the causes of the modern republican party than Mitch, but be also said Jan 6 was bad so they all hate him.

Heck Yes! Loam!
Nov 15, 2004

a rich, friable soil containing a relatively equal mixture of sand and silt and a somewhat smaller proportion of clay.

The Islamic Shock posted:

New strategy: have Hillary Clinton and George Soros commit every crime they believe shouldn't be illegal.

The right wing is going to have some real conflicts when Hunter Biden is using a second amendment defense in front of SCOTUS because his plea deal was imploded.

Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011

EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬
Military aged males?
https://twitter.com/LtChrisOlivarez/status/1684384980846141443?t=5ltQLfUOU8qhHhVKfiWqRw&s=19

Meatball
Mar 2, 2003

That's a Spicy Meatball

Pillbug

Pretext to calling it an invasion and increasing calls to invade Mexico

Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011

EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬

Meatball posted:

Pretext to calling it an invasion and increasing calls to invade Mexico

:ohdear: but I thought conservatives were anti war now! Based on their outlook about supporting Ukraine?

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FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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There are multiple GOP candidates now that want us to just invade Mexico

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