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Open Source Idiom posted:She read her future self's mind. theblackw0lf posted:So I’m not really following why Brother day wants this marriage. 1. How does this specific alliance benefit empire? 2. How does having actual children help fix the lineage issue that has been caused by the divergence of the clones? DaveKap fucked around with this message at 22:48 on Jul 25, 2023 |
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Phenotype posted:I think the idea of moving to a more traditional dynasty just means they don't have to keep pretending the original line of Cleon is still pure and unadulterated. It's also possible the actor is out of contract at the end of the season and wants out. Does anyone know if Lee Pace has committed to a season 3?
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They are kind of implying that Empire will be a done thing after this crisis- the preview of the next one 150 years out implied that Empire was no longer a concern, didn't it? Not sure what role Lee Pace will have in this show if Empire isn't central to galactic affairs. I mean, it'll be great if we get a slice-of-life story about the hermit Emperors, maintaining their line with the last of their failing technology, on a ruined Trantor being reclaimed by wilderness between the crumbled skyscrapers, but one wonders what relevance that'll have to the wider story at that point.
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theblackw0lf posted:How does this specific alliance benefit empire? theblackw0lf posted:How does having actual children help fix the lineage issue that has been caused by the divergence of the clones? Eiba posted:I'm especially confused why Dawn is even vaguely okay with this. Eiba posted:Not sure what role Lee Pace will have in this show if Empire isn't central to galactic affairs.
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Eiba posted:I mean, it'll be great if we get a slice-of-life story about the hermit Emperors, maintaining their line with the last of their failing technology, on a ruined Trantor being reclaimed by wilderness between the crumbled skyscrapers, but one wonders what relevance that'll have to the wider story at that point. Trantor is relevant throughout the whole book series. There are no Cleons on it but well, I could see how the show could keep them there and continue inventing some story for them.
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If the show loses Lee Pace, IMO they'll do it in another season, and we'll get a season of him being a bit desperate and humbled. It's too juicy not to have Pace play something like that, and he's one of their big actor draws for this series. They'll do a season of him weak, and they'll transition in a new big name to play a regular. Same sort of thing as they're doing with with aging out Joel Kinnaman on For All Mankind, and replacing him with Toby Kebbel in the acting roster. Plus I reckon they'll never fully abandon the Space Rome politics, and we'll see the show transition into a cession of insane dynasties, provided the show goes for long enough. Just go full I, Claudius with the subplot, that would own. Speaking of, I'm really excited to see Rachel House turn up this season. She'd be a good Serjanus type.
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Snowmanatee posted:Trantor is relevant throughout the whole book series. There are no Cleons on it but well, I could see how the show could keep them there and continue inventing some story for them. But I guess they don't even really need to have Trantor be an active concern to keep around the Cleons. They could send a brother Dawn off in a cryopod as things crumble, and then next season/a couple hundred years later a warlord claiming to be the legitimate Emperor shows up.
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Jul 26, 2023 13:28
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Keep the 2nd foundation in the same place as the book makes a lot of sense IMO, they can move the boring side plots to the more interesting setting. Also I just don't see Lee Pace leaving the show. The way the show is setup they can kill him many times and still bring him back. He doesn't need to come back as emperor, he can come back as a space elf. Also naked Legolas cameo.
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I think it’s too early to say what planet the second Foundation is going to be based on in the show, even though last episode they named a planet. There was endless misdirection in the books, and I see that as being something they’ll try to keep.
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Good points. Actually, with misdirects in mind, I wouldn't be surprised if Gail somehow edited her memories of where the 2nd Foundation was to point the Mule in the wrong direction when he reads her mind.
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Season 1 had computer Hari say that the Second Foundation was supposed to be at Star's End (which is from the books) but then he gave Star's End as a specific location when in the books it was just a cryptic mystery.
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This episode needed more Cleon. But, I guess The Titan's Prick and Wild Wild West spider miners? Sure, why not.
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i don’t even know what the hell this show is anymore D:
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Legs Benedict posted:i don’t even know what the hell this show is anymore D: Titan's Prick is amazing. DaveKap fucked around with this message at 10:40 on Jul 28, 2023 |
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Titan's prick.
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It's called Psycho History GAAAL!
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First half of the episode looks like a high fantasy scifi story from Dune, 2nd half come straight out of a Han Solo story. Even the battle ship and the interior look Star War. The entire episode looks very expensive.... And the ending is Star Trek. stephenthinkpad fucked around with this message at 18:52 on Jul 28, 2023 |
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I actually really enjoyed that episode. Even the Gaal Salvor parts weren't that bad.
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It really speaks volumes that when we first saw the Foundation clerics I thought to myself "oh great, here we go, tropey religious zealotry writing" and only 1 episode later I'm excited any time the clerics are on screen. I find Isabella Laughland absolutely radiant (it's probably the bright blue contact lenses) and Kulvinder Ghir has fantastic acting energy. I'm really hoping the rest of this season can keep these writing and acting peaks.
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DaveKap posted:It really speaks volumes that when we first saw the Foundation clerics I thought to myself "oh great, here we go, tropey religious zealotry writing" and only 1 episode later I'm excited any time the clerics are on screen. I find Isabella Laughland absolutely radiant (it's probably the bright blue contact lenses) and Kulvinder Ghir has fantastic acting energy. I'm really hoping the rest of this season can keep these writing and acting peaks. Haven't seen the new episode yet but I did enjoy them being bickering charlatans who still fervently believe in the mission of the Foundation
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Liked the episode and yeah this season so far feels less "static" and more adventurous which makes even the weakest part (Gaal/Salvor/Seldon) a lot better. Talking about it... they managed to do more for Bel Riose as a character in one episode than with Salvor in a whole season, showing once again that everything on the side of the Empire storyline is for some reason much better and it has good story potential for a "sympathetic" villain (or maybe even an antihero down the line? The setup for him vs Empire is certainly obvious). Also... is it really that big of a mystery for Seldon to be "back" as a human? I mean Empire isn't a secret so the technology is there and Seldon's consciousness was obviously saved so the only real "surprise" or challenge would be to have access to that technology (the real question then becomes why this wasn't part of the plan to begin with).
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It was fun. I enjoyed it. The shot with Gail and Seldon walking on sand and only her leaving footprints was great. Planet mined out 3000 years ago by huge robotic excavators is some strong hard sci-fi poo poo that also fits the foundation universe. Salvor kinda sucks  Who was the tomb lady again?
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Mokotow posted:Who was the tomb lady again? The poetess-mathematician whose name I never recall - just call her Hypatia. I suspect she is/was in league with a second android. She may be the second android! Demerzel is one side of an ancient shadow war between good and bad bots, a war in which Seldon is merely a pawn. (I'm having fun with this television series while also loving and knowing the novels.)
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The show keeps drawing attention to the poetic meter of her dialogue, but I don't notice anything interesting about it. Is it because I suck at TV or because the writers are only doing half the job?
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So as I understand it, tomb lady is an android and she place Seldon’s consciousness into an android body, right?
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Did the tomb lazy appear in S1? She must be since she was recognized but I have no long term memories of S1.
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Mokotow posted:So as I understand it, tomb lady is an android and she place Seldon’s consciousness into an android body, right? I’m also assuming she’s an android, but not sure yet if Seldon is biological clone or android. stephenthinkpad posted:Did the tomb lazy appear in S1? She must be since she was recognized but I have no long term memories of S1. No. Seldon encountered her (or an image of her) in the prime radiant a couple of episodes ago. She was only mentioned in season 1 as the one who came up with the Ninth Proof of Folding that Gaal used to help find a proof for the Abraxus Conjecture, the contest that brought her to Trantor. Snowmanatee fucked around with this message at 11:51 on Jul 29, 2023 |
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These outer colonies own hard. Last week it was Medieval Roswell, this week it's Nazis vs The Scarlet Pimpernel. loving love this season. This show is wild.
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Open Source Idiom posted:These outer colonies own hard. Last week it was Medieval Roswell, this week it's Nazis vs The Scarlet Pimpernel. Oh yeah! That whole Hober Mallow part of the story was surprisingly entertaining.
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stephenthinkpad posted:It's called Psycho History GAAAL!
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Snowmanatee posted:I’m also assuming she’s an android, but not sure yet if Seldon is biological clone or android. Didn’t they say “someone is breathing over there” or something like that, and that’s why the killer machines went to the statue? I’m thinking he’s a biological clone.
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Foundation: computer, generate titan's prick
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latinotwink1997 posted:Didn’t they say “someone is breathing over there” or something like that, and that’s why the killer machines went to the statue? I’m thinking he’s a biological clone. He also had a pulse. Maybe Androids have one too (though what was been shown so far in the show is that Androids on the inside are certainly not "fake" humans) but I'd think they wouldn't highlight the pulse thing if he wasn't a real human. Besides that I don't know what it would add to the story if Seldon was suddenly an Android.
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This show is fun as hell and I hope it lasts forever with endless bullshit nonsense. It's science fiction that's doing something actually different, which is refreshing. Put me down as someone who loved the part with Gaal leaving footprints and Hari not. I thought the giant rock statue looked cool and ancient, very Lord of the Rings. The future prison was sufficiently horrifying yet still sci-fi. Demerzel creeps me out. I found the parts with Bel Riose and his husband affecting. The whole Hober Mallow bit with the swashbuckling rogue definitely reminded me of adventure stories I enjoyed as a kid.
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Alright, now that's how you make an overpriced nonsense sci fi show! Three completely different stories each with their own over the top set pieces and completely different tones. Sad gay general was very well realized- good introduction of your villain. Silly charlatan hero was very silly- good introduction of your hero. And the third plot had cool giant robots for no reason! That didn't seem like it was so hard. Keep it up, Foundation.
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Jane Espenson is now one of the writers (she co-wrote this episode). She wrote a lot of Buffy episodes and some of the better Battlestar Galactica episodes. I’ve felt the dialogue is a bit more punchy since she’s become involved.
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Her name is Kalle. She is said to speak anapestic trimeter, which is both simple and rare. Anapestic: two short syllables and one long (by emphasis or length). Trimeter: repeated three times per line. Eg: https://www.luminarium.org/eightlit/cowper/selkirk.htm
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For all it’s faults I’m sticking with this show until the bitter end, partly for Lee Pace, partly for Jared Harris, partly because I’m a sucker for distant future settings, it mostly because it’s the closest thing to golden-age sci-fi there is on TV right now.
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Kinda stunned at how much time they spent developing the season villain, making him sympathetic and interesting, giving him a likeable supporting cast... a huge change from The Huntress last season. Surprised how invested I am in this guy after just one episode.
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wode posted:Her name is Kalle. She is said to speak anapestic trimeter, which is both simple and rare. Anapestic: two short syllables and one long (by emphasis or length). Trimeter: repeated three times per line. Eg: https://www.luminarium.org/eightlit/cowper/selkirk.htm Fun fact I just learned right now is that Eminem’s The Way I Am is rapped in this same anapestic trimeter except for the chorus bits.
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