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HonorableTB posted:The tldr for Gigolo's post about rails is that if Russia lost a few rail transport hubs everything east of the urals descends into ungovernable anarchy as they are dependent on the developed western part of the country to supply the empty east with basic goods and there are a small amount of hubs and transfer stations east of Moscow that allow for this to happen This is correct, also let's not forget that Russian rail depends on Western technology. And that pipeline has been blown up as it were. I do agree that blowing up apartment complexes in office buildings is a fairly silly move but blowing up an empty office complex is definitely a hello the war is on your backyard now type of moment. While we may be using about the idea that this will cause more people to mobilize it probably won't but it definitely will cause people to question the narrative that is being produced when even moscow isn't safe. I mean let's recall the Russian commentators that were asking where the hell the air defense was in Moscow in the first drone attacks were occurring a few months ago. Edit: Russia could definitely jam the drones and cause them to crash. So good change this wasn't the intended target. Here's a map of Russian rail. Notice a few...bottlenecks?  There was an interesting video on United 24 with an artillery unit who saw that they were losing starlink signal and immediately hid and said they could not fire another round because of the worry of a counter battery mission. Once the link was back up they immediately started conducting fire missions again. So jamming is nothing new in this War and jamming starlink is nothing new either. It's easy to think that Russia isn't changing their tactics at all but they definitely are. And while these are not meaningful changes that are going to affect the outcome of the war they're definitely adaptations. Upon thinking this more it does feel like the us could be holding Ukraine back from doing anything to the rail transport because they know it would play directly into China's need for raw materials and markets to fuel a slowing economy. WAR CRIME GIGOLO fucked around with this message at 22:29 on Jul 30, 2023 |
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Tai posted:If Ukraine is getting long range drones then they should be used on military poo poo and not office/appt blocks. And no, Russia doing it doesn't mean Ukraine gets a carte blanche to do it also. It's okay to bomb empty offices of the defense/propaganda ministries, actually. I am giving Ukraine carte blanche to do it also
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Jul 30, 2023 22:23
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:This is correct, also let's not forget that Russian rail depends on Western technology. And that pipeline has been blown up as it were. I do agree that blowing up apartment complexes in office buildings is a fairly silly move but blowing up an empty office complex is definitely a hello the war is on your backyard now type of moment. While we may be using about the idea that this will cause more people to mobilize it probably won't but it definitely will cause people to question the narrative that is being produced when even moscow isn't safe. I mean let's recall the Russian commentators that were asking where the hell the air defense was in Moscow in the first drone attacks were occurring a few months ago. I'm so glad that your avatar didn't get overwritten by one of the Hillaries. EasilyConfused fucked around with this message at 22:47 on Jul 30, 2023 |
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Jul 30, 2023 22:45
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tiaz posted:I think The West's current answer to this is the Small Diameter Bomb. A B-2 can carry 192. The biggest gap imo is defense against smaller quads. This poo poo would make occasional IED look like a good time.
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Jul 30, 2023 22:51
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Ukraine isn’t targeting rail infrastructure because it’s a notoriously hard target to disrupt, not because they don’t want to. If your target isn’t in contested territory or spanning water like a bridge or a dam, transportation infrastructure is really quick to replace.
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Jul 30, 2023 22:54
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Blorange posted:Ukraine isn’t targeting rail infrastructure because it’s a notoriously hard target to disrupt, not because they don’t want to. If your target isn’t in contested territory or spanning water like a bridge or a dam, transportation infrastructure is really quick to replace. Hmm, no that's too logical, there must be some sort of conspiracy involving external powers.
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Jul 30, 2023 23:00
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One strange trick to win the war. RUSSIANS HATE HIM.
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Jul 30, 2023 23:00
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EasilyConfused posted:Hmm, no that's too logical, there must be some sort of conspiracy involving external powers. Is it really a conspiracy that the US pushed Ukraine not to attack Russia proper due to the worry of a nuclear response? I thought that was fairly common knowledge. With an emphasis on using western equipment to do so. Sure you can put the tracks back together. But can you really replace multiple trains getting crippled in a concentrated location without causing some serious disruption?
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Jul 30, 2023 23:10
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XYZAB posted:Countdown until finished development of a long-range drone whose cargo is dozens or hundreds of instantly deployable grenade-loaded short-range autonomous quad-copter drones? Something capable of slinging/jettisoning a dozen or more single-use GPS-preloaded target quadcopters from the entire payload-serviceable length of a traditional rocket-style or fuselage-style aircraft/drone body. One drone can target one office, yes, but one drone carrying fifty smaller drones can target fifty offices. This is the kind of poo poo that the US DoD should already have developed and fielded, if not for the fact that it costs a fraction of a percentage of what their actual budget is, so they definitely overlooked it. Back in 1992 they invented a 1000lb bomb that breaks into 10 cluster bombs, those each opened into 4 sub-cluster bombs, and they were each an automagic guided anti-tank weapon that shoot another thing at the target to actually kill it. The gimmick is that you flatten a whole assault force or supply convoy from a single pull of the trigger, some real Fulda Gap poo poo. Production stopped since [cluster bombs arguments here]
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Jul 30, 2023 23:20
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Is it really a conspiracy that the US pushed Ukraine not to attack Russia proper due to the worry of a nuclear response? I thought that was fairly common knowledge. With an emphasis on using western equipment to do so. Do you read your own posts? WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Upon thinking this more it does feel like the us could be holding Ukraine back from doing anything to the rail transport because they know it would play directly into China's need for raw materials and markets to fuel a slowing economy.
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Jul 30, 2023 23:26
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It was the western de facto policy up until Ukraine did it anyway and everyone saw the impotence of Russia in response and then the official public policy of the west, particularly the US and UK, was "it's totally valid to attack Russian targets in Russia just don't use our weapons to do it" and even then, when the FRB did it in their raids using MRAPs and such, putin still did gently caress all about it, so now Biden just doesn't really give a gently caress as long as it's not too egregious. The west still doesn't want major offensive action in Russia using western gear but you notice they unlocked F-16s and Abrams tanks for later this year in response to the total flaccidity of Russia's red-line enforcement lol
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Jul 30, 2023 23:27
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motherland monument getting its soviet symbols removed quicker than I thought. Aug 24 scheduled completion. https://twitter.com/United24media/status/1685714355269038080?s=20 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAIyB5hjWDg
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Jul 30, 2023 23:43
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appropriatemetaphor posted:motherland monument getting its soviet symbols removed quicker than I thought. Aug 24 scheduled completion.
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Jul 31, 2023 00:05
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appropriatemetaphor posted:motherland monument getting its soviet symbols removed quicker than I thought. Aug 24 scheduled completion. Countdown to missile strikes on the statue...
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Jul 31, 2023 00:14
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The Locator posted:Countdown to missile strikes on the statue... Speaking of missile strikes, another air raid alert was sounded in Ukraine.
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Jul 31, 2023 00:15
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appropriatemetaphor posted:motherland monument getting its soviet symbols removed quicker than I thought. Aug 24 scheduled completion. 
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Jul 31, 2023 00:18
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That statue is getting missiled.
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Jul 31, 2023 00:19
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Good idea Russia shoot off a couple million+ dollar missiles because of 
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Jul 31, 2023 00:20
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Tai posted:That statue is getting missiled. I think it's safe unless the Ukrainians build a hospital inside it.
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Jul 31, 2023 00:21
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They're going to replace it with a swastika, just watch
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Jul 31, 2023 00:21
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Toxic Mental posted:They're going to replace it with a swastika, just watch It will be a gigantic bust of Zelensky. Something Russia would never do
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Jul 31, 2023 00:22
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My money is on Bandera
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Jul 31, 2023 00:37
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melt that statue down and make a ghost of kyiv statue out of it instead
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Jul 31, 2023 00:46
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https://twitter.com/Tatarigami_UA/status/1685672583667007488?s=20 https://twitter.com/MargoGontar/status/1685637831048171520?s=20 HonorableTB fucked around with this message at 00:53 on Jul 31, 2023 |
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Jul 31, 2023 00:51
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I think we are ALL missing what the statue will actually be
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Jul 31, 2023 01:10
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appropriatemetaphor posted:motherland monument getting its soviet symbols removed quicker than I thought. Aug 24 scheduled completion.
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Jul 31, 2023 01:25
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Nice. They do exist. 
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Jul 31, 2023 01:40
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:I think we are ALL missing what the statue will actually be Why wouldn't it be the BEST Hillary [Somaen's av]? My money's on Hunter's Hog
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Jul 31, 2023 01:53
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https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1685745314865479685#m
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Jul 31, 2023 02:17
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zone posted:https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1685743243873443841 
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Jul 31, 2023 02:42
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https://twitter.com/SarahAshtonLV/status/1685727207035994112?t=I8RkhnLTWwO5oXvtMEei6g&s=19 Excellent video. Also shows you all the targets we've heard about lately that they've hit with those drones in the last couple weeks The end of the video says 24 August which is Ukrainian independence day
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Jul 31, 2023 02:51
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Lmao
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Jul 31, 2023 02:54
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:It will be a gigantic bust of Zelensky. Something Russia would never do Or just a giant busty zelenskyy
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Jul 31, 2023 02:56
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HonorableTB posted:The tldr for Gigolo's post about rails is that if Russia lost a few rail transport hubs everything east of the urals descends into ungovernable anarchy as they are dependent on the developed western part of the country to supply the empty east with basic goods and there are a small amount of hubs and transfer stations east of Moscow that allow for this to happen I thought rail infrastructure is pretty resilient to bombing? Apart from the locomotives and rolling stock, there aren’t any particular weak spots that a bomb can hit and paralyze a line for very long. The noticeable exception being the rail bridges.
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Jul 31, 2023 03:00
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HonorableTB posted:Lmao This is such a tall own, and the length of the stress fractures as it carries along scenario to-target is like lmao
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Jul 31, 2023 03:01
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Vengarr posted:I thought rail infrastructure is pretty resilient to bombing? Apart from the locomotives and rolling stock, there aren’t any particular weak spots that a bomb can hit and paralyze a line for very long. You hit a switching station somewhere remote and you just took out anything behind the switching station until it's repaired and switching stations are one of the most vulnerable parts of a railway. You're right about the rails themselves and bridges, but the real thing is knocking out the switching stations because that causes ripple effects in how everything is moved by rail to compensate for it
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Jul 31, 2023 03:02
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HonorableTB posted:You hit a switching station somewhere remote and you just took out anything behind the switching station until it's repaired and switching stations are one of the most vulnerable parts of a railway. You're right about the rails themselves and bridges, but the real thing is knocking out the switching stations because that causes ripple effects in how everything is moved by rail to compensate for it Half of Russian cargo travels via electric routes so damage to power relays feeding the rail system would also cause bottlenecks.
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Jul 31, 2023 03:29
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So there's possibilities here. But can we honestly say that Russia would survive a targeted rail bombing? I mean seriously. The far East is loving desolate. So is a lot of stuff past the Urals. Sure they won't starve per se, but it's all the other poo poo. I mean remember COVIDs toilet paper debacle in the US? Like imagine that but on a grand scale. Where even the most common goods are just unable to be found. Imagine vape pens in particular, and think of other things like just motor parts and tires and medical supplies all of these things rely on Russian rail. It is the most critical infrastructure that could be targeted by ukraine. Without thought of conspiracy it is something to pontificate. Look, the US has a blueprint to invade Russia etc I mean it's just expected it's what you do when you're a great power. So if they look at their target list and go hmm if we blow up Russian rail/all the other targets everything else loving goes to poo poo I mean that information may impact their decision and advisement to Ukraine on doing so. I mean if they know for a fact the Russian state is going to loving collapse the second Ukraine does certain things then they might not ask those things to be done just because of global hegemony and the thought that the nuclear weapons will be under threat. The United States wants to thwart Chinese efforts to secure resources especially with climate change having a pretty huge effect on everything. Having more resources in the next coming decades will determine the outcome of future resource acquisition. That's why China is doing so much in Africa and it makes sense that they would move into Russia as well since it's a weakened State just like many African countries they operate do They may realize via intelligence assets that Russia is in a more critical State than the media is portraying. And this also allows them to snub China because they know if the Russian state does become destabilized the closest power in the region is either Europe or China and I mean which one do you think the mainstream Russian is going to go to? Is it really going to be Europe after all this propaganda? Think to yourselves what infrastructure is most critical and imagine why it's not being targeted. We're talking power stations factories tank depots etc while some of these things are civilian targets they're also military targets. Like it was said a little above targeting the power stations that power the rail systems could literally cause the country to go into a turmoil. I'm not saying it's going to be civil war or a rebellion in a week but over time I mean how long can you really go without these goods? How long can you go without vital medical supplies how long can you go without treats? I asked these questions because they seriously determine what the next narrative is I mean Ukraine seems pretty ready to start firing drones off every day if the opportunity arises. And why wouldn't they at this point? Russia is showing itself to be completely and utterly weak I mean he has already shown itself to be that but the war has come home. Moscow is feeling the effects of what they are doing and it's clearly depicted in the videos I watch where people are crying and screaming about the offices getting blown up. I'm not enjoying that but it is the sheer horror that you heard in the ukrainians voices when Kyiv was getting bombed every day. What I really do want to portray here is that Russia is a lot more fragile than we may be led to believe. Can you articulate a way that Russia goes forward with this war and doesn't have a an effect on their ability to project power in their own country? I mean Belgorod literally was attacked and put under siege and a PMC group took over rostov Don. These things are not isolated incidents. Their frequency is not going to get less the frequency is going to get higher because the instability caused by this war is going to have long-lasting effects again on their ability to project power internally. Whether it's a street gang or whether it's a regional leader deciding to take a little more power for himself every now and again, it's going to have a spiraling effect on the government. Added things: Russia moved its troops via rail still. They transport EVERYTHING In Russia via rail. While in Crimea they do transport via trucks and poo poo that's mainly to avoid getting their trains bombed because it's fairly easy to monitor a trains route versus a trucks. WAR CRIME GIGOLO fucked around with this message at 04:12 on Jul 31, 2023 |
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Jul 31, 2023 03:58
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i think i like it when military hqs go boom not civilian stuff go boom maybe i dum tho
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HonorableTB posted:https://twitter.com/SarahAshtonLV/status/1685727207035994112?t=I8RkhnLTWwO5oXvtMEei6g&s=19 is this an actual video by the ukrainian government or did the account who tweeted it make it
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