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What is the most powerful flying bug?
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🦋 15 3.71%
🦇 115 28.47%
🪰 12 2.97%
🐦 67 16.58%
dragonfly 94 23.27%
🦟 14 3.47%
🐝 87 21.53%
Total: 404 votes
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Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

The epic liberal female Nazi is the biggest innovation to come out of Eastern Europe since serfdom.

and none of them are ilsa - she wolf of the SS :(

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DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Tankbuster posted:

and none of them are ilsa - she wolf of the SS :(

It's hard to match a cinematic classic.

It probably still plays on screens in western ukraine and lithuania.

fizzy
Dec 2, 2022

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Good news for Ukraine - Statements about the alleged ungratefulness of Ukrainians for Poland's help are untrue and unacceptable


https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-calls-polish-envoy-over-unacceptable-comments-by-presidents-aide-2023-08-01/

Ukraine calls in Polish envoy over 'unacceptable' comments by president's aide
Reuters
August 1, 20239:10 PM GMT+8
Updated 8 min ago

Aug 1 (Reuters) - Ukraine's foreign ministry called in Poland's ambassador to Kyiv on Tuesday over what it said were "unacceptable" comments made by the Polish president's foreign policy adviser Marcin Przydacz.

"During the meeting, it was emphasized that statements about the alleged ungratefulness of Ukrainians for Poland's help are untrue and unacceptable," foreign ministry spokesperson Oleh Nikolenko said.

The Polish foreign ministry did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Kyiv and Warsaw have been staunch allies throughout the full-scale invasion launched by Russia in February 2022.

Polish media quoted Przydacz speaking on Monday about the possible extension of Poland's import ban on Ukrainian agricultural produce, and calling on Kyiv to show appreciation for the support shown to it during the war with Russia.

"What is most important today is to defend the interest of the Polish farmer..," Przydacz was quoted as saying.

"I think it would be worthwhile for (Kyiv) to start appreciating what role Poland has played for Ukraine over past months and years."

Five central European countries, including Poland, want a European Union ban on grain imports from Ukraine to be extended at least until the end of the year. The ban is set to expire on Sept. 15.

Poland would not lift the ban on Sept. 15 even if the EU did not agree on its extension, its prime minister said earlier this month.

A parliamentary election is due in Poland, a NATO and EU member, later this year.

PoontifexMacksimus
Feb 14, 2012

Frosted Flake posted:

I wish someone could explain this, because I've noticed it too, and the English-speaking Europhile epic liberal female Nazi is a very real thing.

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021

Al-Saqr posted:

lol why would hungary hold out theyre in the imaginary white turanic club

The bigger turks take care of their little brother :finland: but are wary of the yakubian snow ape nation.

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013
showing my gratefulness by summoning your ambassador and chewing him out

Hatebag
Jun 17, 2008


Comrade Koba posted:

critical support to femen for inadvertently creating the funniest putin reaction image ever




Lmao

Cookie Cutter
Nov 29, 2020

Is there something else that's bothering you Mr. President?

Frosted Flake posted:


I wish someone could explain this, because I've noticed it too, and the English-speaking Europhile epic liberal female Nazi is a very real thing.

I know two examples of this IRL, both Latvian-born Russian speakers who moved to the UK, one with a highly affected posh English accent, both ostensibly liberal and flyers of the rainbow flag (nothing wrong with that in itself ofc) yet when the war started they both went full-throated in their support for Azov Heroes and I believe continue to organise funding drives, although I wouldn't know as they both very performatively unfriended me on FB last year along with a Ukrainian Canadian guy I met traveling once. Where are they coming from???

Cuttlefush
Jan 15, 2014

gotta have my purp
they were always there

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe

Frosted Flake posted:

“The Lynx also has a highly accurate 30mm cannon from Rheinmetall subsidiary Mauser, but it is gas operated and requires proprietary steel cased ammunition, unlike the aluminium cased rounds used by the Bushmaster. This means that in-theatre supply would probably be more complex for the Lynx because it needs its own ammunition. While the Mauser can only fire steel cased ammunition – softer aluminium risks being shredded in the breech and jamming it – the Bushmaster can use both types.”

My alliance’s two types of autocannon can’t share ammunition because one is proprietary.

im starting to get the feeling that any well functioning military procurement system needs to have standing orders to the effect that the moment somebody even broaches the topic of proprietary ammunition said person is to be taken out back and summarily executed

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer
the obvious bare minimum the west could have done to maintain functioning militaries is make it offlimits to the neoliberal project. But they couldn't because it is intrinsic to that project that it is perfect and not to be hidden from. To protect the military from its destructive influence is to admit that it is destructive in the first place. When it's supposed to be the perfect end of political history. The one system that cannot change for the better because it cannot be better.

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Cuttlefush posted:

ff whichn autocannon is best

There are some incredibly engineered ones, mostly aircraft and naval guns though.

I’m going to have to go with QF 1-pounder pom-pom for sheer simplicity.

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Regarde Aduck posted:

the obvious bare minimum the west could have done to maintain functioning militaries is make it offlimits to the neoliberal project. But they couldn't because it is intrinsic to that project that it is perfect and not to be hidden from. To protect the military from its destructive influence is to admit that it is destructive in the first place. When it's supposed to be the perfect end of political history. The one system that cannot change for the better because it cannot be better.

:hmmyes:

Also it’s probably the most profitable area for graft because no matter how much they gently caress around tax dollars will always flow in. The largest defence order in Australian history was the $8 billion they just spent for less than 200 vehicles.

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013
Cluster bombs transferred to Ukraine exceeded expectations - expert (Trustworthy News)

Hatebag
Jun 17, 2008


Regarde Aduck posted:

the obvious bare minimum the west could have done to maintain functioning militaries is make it offlimits to the neoliberal project. But they couldn't because it is intrinsic to that project that it is perfect and not to be hidden from. To protect the military from its destructive influence is to admit that it is destructive in the first place. When it's supposed to be the perfect end of political history. The one system that cannot change for the better because it cannot be better.

I don't think it's that complicated; there was copper to be stripped so someone stripped it

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer
i was just a bit overwrought because yeah it is that simple, neoliberalism is 'stripping the copper out the walls' the ideology with what is essentially a religious following

Palladium
May 8, 2012

Very Good
✔️✔️✔️✔️

Frosted Flake posted:

:hmmyes:

Also it’s probably the most profitable area for graft because no matter how much they gently caress around tax dollars will always flow in. The largest defence order in Australian history was the $8 billion they just spent for less than 200 vehicles.

are those made of solid gold

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008


Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Regarde Aduck posted:

i was just a bit overwrought because yeah it is that simple, neoliberalism is 'stripping the copper out the walls' the ideology with what is essentially a religious following

Well, you nailed it. Because they are only able to view what is “good” in terms of what is profitable, more profitability in the defence industry is good, and that’s all that matters.

Second Hand Meat Mouth
Sep 12, 2001
https://twitter.com/DevanaUkraine/status/1686311993651650562

there were THREE holodomors?? why didn't the forums tell me

Cuttlefush
Jan 15, 2014

gotta have my purp

Second Hand Meat Mouth posted:

https://twitter.com/DevanaUkraine/status/1686311993651650562

there were THREE holodomors?? why didn't the forums tell me
I told you in the norm macdonald thread

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011

I saw a headline about some Israeli freighter "running" Russia's "blockade"

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Zodium posted:

diving between ff and his keyboard like I'm trying to absorb a grenade explosion

His phone.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe

Second Hand Meat Mouth posted:

https://twitter.com/DevanaUkraine/status/1686311993651650562

there were THREE holodomors?? why didn't the forums tell me

drat, holodomor inflation hits hard

Second Hand Meat Mouth
Sep 12, 2001
the nafo guys are calling her a russian bot in the comments lol

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost
It’s holodomor not holodoless

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

KomradeX posted:

I saw a headline about some Israeli freighter "running" Russia's "blockade"

USS Liberty 2: Repensum Est Canicula

tristeham
Jul 31, 2022

lol

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Frosted Flake posted:

:hmmyes:

Also it’s probably the most profitable area for graft because no matter how much they gently caress around tax dollars will always flow in. The largest defence order in Australian history was the $8 billion they just spent for less than 200 vehicles.

The best part is this kind of poo poo always gets sold by the media as if this means it is the largest defense purchase, in terms of being a huge expansion to the military. The key bullshit word here would be "capability", as in "biggest expansion of military capability", where the assumption just is that more dollars = more capable = more expansion.

If a neoliberal government spent a trillion on a single golf cart (painted green and up-armoured or otherwise) the neoliberal media would proclaim the next day that said golf cart contained more military capability than the entire combined Allied militaries of WW2 or whatever.

dead gay comedy forums
Oct 21, 2011


Regarde Aduck posted:

i was just a bit overwrought because yeah it is that simple, neoliberalism is 'stripping the copper out the walls' the ideology with what is essentially a religious following

but since it is ideology, the people there don't realize they are taking out the copper wiring, instead they think they are reforming the building and making it better

like, almost everything in military industry immediately drives it towards a natural state monopoly, it loses advantages when under market dynamics. It creates perverse incentives right from the get-go once with any significant private share in it.

Like, a state fighting a war and has to do a bidding contract to procure ammunition? That it needs a whole legal effort to make sure none of the bidders are doing cartel efforts or conspiring in any other form etc? Lol gently caress that

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Second Hand Meat Mouth posted:

https://twitter.com/DevanaUkraine/status/1686311993651650562

there were THREE holodomors?? why didn't the forums tell me

Holodomor 2: Electric Boogaloo and Holodomor 3: Holodomor with a Vengeance?

Incredible.

Russia trying for Holodomor 4: A New Hope, as we post.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

dead gay comedy forums posted:

but since it is ideology, the people there don't realize they are taking out the copper wiring, instead they think they are reforming the building and making it better

like, almost everything in military industry immediately drives it towards a natural state monopoly, it loses advantages when under market dynamics. It creates perverse incentives right from the get-go once with any significant private share in it.

Like, a state fighting a war and has to do a bidding contract to procure ammunition? That it needs a whole legal effort to make sure none of the bidders are doing cartel efforts or conspiring in any other form etc? Lol gently caress that

Yeah but as soon as you allow the logic that one thing is better-off under state control because it avoids perverse incentives, cartels and conspiracies etc etc or even just plain is a core function of the state ensuring its own continuity, you're going to get people asking difficult questions about other things for which it would then be very difficult to argue the same logic does not hold. Like say, utilities and transport infrastructure.



Edit: basically as soon as you start asking "wait, how does this actually benefit the state" and you believe the state is actually there for "the people" then, if you are intellectually honest and curious enough to keep up your inquiry and read what you find, you're going to end up at socialism.

The only reason our actually existing states act differently is because they are bourgeois states, aka, they are dictatorships of the bourgeoisie and thus furthering the bourgeoisies class interests is their sole function.

Orange Devil has issued a correction as of 15:47 on Aug 1, 2023

Desiderata
May 25, 2005
Go placidly amid the noise and haste...
Am shocked and disgusted to discover that this forum isn't just denying genocide, but no less than 3 historical Ukrainian genocides, plus the one that is happening right now!

Making for a total of 7 genocide denials! Do you know no shame!?!

PoontifexMacksimus
Feb 14, 2012

dead gay comedy forums posted:

Oh, that stuff is good. The apex of that reasoning is about Heron of Alexandria and his steam engine, leading of course to "why there was no industrial revolution" which is loving lmao.

It's gamer's historiography: researching the tech means you unlock the thing. Steam engine means factories! Why it didn't happen?

Technology isn't just an invention, it's the whole structure that makes an invention work for a determinate social purpose. That same bullshit about the Greeks and the steam engine has a very similar problem when they go into "why China or India didn't become economic superpowers and lost to the West". Again, gamer's historiography. China and India didn't have the steam engine and had obsolete tech, so they have to lose, right?

Except that China was an economic superpower that held the lion's share of estimated GDP until the Opium Wars. It was able to outmatch European (and especially British) industrial productivity for a fair bit of the 19th century, which is why it didn't import much. The British state was able to inflict those defeats by having the organization to employ industrial means of warfare, inflicting commercial dependency, etc (besides the whole book of dirty tricks of imperialism ofc)

What those people miss is that the socio-economic structure didn't need the sort of organization to employ productivity multipliers by technology, because such multipliers only become necessary through labor scarcity or through capitalism, where more production is required for the sake of further capital accumulation. With immense abundance of labor in a vast territory with even more abundant resources, it's possible to have literal millions of artisans supported by more millions of peasants producing everything necessary and more; economies of scale aren't exclusive to industrial production, after all.

Besides, there has to be formative accumulation for those inventions to find their place. Industrial tooling comes from manufactories, which come from developing organized division of labor and so on, which are all social developments as well. Tribal naïveté is an astonishingly bad take because it neglects the much broader historical environment that makes an industrial steam engine not only very useful but also viable.

The other side of takes like these is that it leaves wide open the issue of when you have the social conditions, the technology and economic understanding to direct those means into solving problems and deliberately develop productive forces, like in our present. Unlike these other contexts, ours is much worse because we are dealing with ideology, not with the actual horizon of material possibilities

and that would be two mediums fries please

Very good post. The fetishization of technology is inextricable from the fetishization of capital. Capital is dead labour, but imagined as existing separately from (above, really) that mere human activity. In the same way technology is imagined not as tool intrinsic to some process of human and social activity, but as a plug-and-play Platonic form that radiates good results by its mere presence like a magic talisman.

Country needs to improve healthcare? Just airdrop some iPhones with CT scanner apps. Need a better army? Hand them some random pieces of the hotest kit. Just like the strength of an economy must obviously be measured in its accumulation and growth of capital regardless of what social good it serves, the strength of an army is obviously measured in how much advanced technology it has piled up regardless of how it performs.

And the denigration of labour into imagined irrelevance before apparently self-sufficient capital will certainly continue to spread into the military as into all spheres of life under Capitalism. It's funny how much American war schools seem to obsess over Prussian ~operational art~ considering the military craftsman will inevitably go the way of the industrial craftsman.

Vomik
Jul 29, 2003

This post is dedicated to the brave Mujahideen fighters of Afghanistan

Orange Devil posted:

Holodomor 2: Electric Boogaloo and Holodomor 3: Holodomor with a Vengeance?

Incredible.

Russia trying for Holodomor 4: A New Hope, as we post.

there were 3 holodomors, a world war, and communists executed every single ukrainian speaking member of academia

and that was just from 1931-1936

PoontifexMacksimus
Feb 14, 2012

Or, it's not like there is a choice between investing into weapons technology or into human military professionalism. Destroying professionalism is a goal in itself; it's Capitalism's raison d'être.

Halser
Aug 24, 2016

Desiderata posted:

Am shocked and disgusted to discover that this forum isn't just denying genocide, but no less than 3 historical Ukrainian genocides, plus the one that is happening right now!

Making for a total of 7 genocide denials! Do you know no shame!?!

if you get to 10 you can exchange it for mod status

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Which is how it turned out the miraculous NATO standard military created in just a few short years really just meant apps. They thought they could skip actual material reality - training, equipment, doctrine, institutions - with technology.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Vomik posted:

there were 3 holodomors, a world war, and communists executed every single ukrainian speaking member of academia

and that was just from 1931-1936

And even with all that still 31 million of them survived. Incredible.

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Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

Capitalism's reason for existence is to accumulate capital, that's it. It's a very simple feedback loop.

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