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Technically not a car but variety is the spice of life 484L radial diesel engine quote:A 12-cylinder Nordberg diesel radial engine. This engine displaced 29,556 cu in (484.3 L) and produced around 2,000 hp (1,500 kW). Note the fuel injector in the center of the cylinder head. 
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This isn't really awesome AI car poo poo, but it is basically an extended mix How It's Made for forged wheels, which is awesome in its own right. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5glBHADoug
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Finger Prince posted:This isn't really awesome AI car poo poo, but it is basically an extended mix How It's Made for forged wheels, which is awesome in its own right. Similarly, tires to put on them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GK4IDPpjheA
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Continuing my obsession with little blobular objects tearing rear end on the Nürburgring, here's a Twingo doing its damndest to not run off the tarmac https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1vU4aaD9rs Is it me or is every driver passing it slowing down just to appreciate the little guy
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Hadlock posted:Technically not a car but variety is the spice of life  NORDBERG!!!
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Imperador do Brasil posted:
Motherfucker!! I was going to post: "well that thing ain't gonna get its nuts bit off by no laplander".
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They've really run that thing down market and picked through the FJ parts bin while they continue to trade on the brand name. Disappointing all around. I'll keep our 200.
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Motronic posted:They've really run that thing down market and picked through the FJ parts bin while they continue to trade on the brand name. Disappointing all around. I'll keep our 200.  It's not a 200 replacement, it's a lower spec Lexus GX. A Prado for North America. I think it rules and it being less expensive is a win for everyone.
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Finger Prince posted:This isn't really awesome AI car poo poo, but it is basically an extended mix How It's Made for forged wheels, which is awesome in its own right. Powershift posted:Similarly, tires to put on them. These were both excellent watches. For nerds. like me
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Aug 2, 2023 15:34
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Motronic posted:They've really run that thing down market and picked through the FJ parts bin while they continue to trade on the brand name. Disappointing all around. I'll keep our 200. I know you've been busy tugging those boostraps and all but it's nice that toyota recognizes vehicle costs getting out of hand and building a vehicle for the enthusiast market priced at enthusiast prices. Imo it's the best looking cruiser since the 70. No 80, 100, or bloaty 200. And the hood line isn't 6' off the ground. Win.
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Vehicle costs are getting out of hand! Surely the place to start is with our specialty off road NGO fleet and enthusiast line!
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It's a little long for my tastes, but it looks really snappy, the interior looks like they couldn't decide what they wanted, but still good and high effort, and mid-$50k sounds really good for a brand new, hybrid electric, dedicated rough-road vehicle What parts of it are actually bad? Like, that's what the vehicle should cost, are you upset that a company is not gouging enough on one of their more globally important platforms?
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Motronic posted:Vehicle costs are getting out of hand! Surely the place to start is with our specialty off road NGO fleet and enthusiast line! I don't think you "get" Land Cruiser my guy.
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New Land Cruiser looks like it's an FJ wagon - i.e. designed to compete with the Wrangler unlimited 4 door, which is a big seller for jeep at the ~$40k+ point. I guess some people take the top off the jeep but if your reaction to "jeep culture" is  and or domestic brands are a bit too MAGA, or you want an off-road lifestyle vehicle you can drive from San Francisco to Tahoe comfortably, a $50-60k land cruiser probably fits a good segmentFor example my wife wants to get a wrangler unlimited or similar rugged off-road looking thing, but also need something we can drive 4 hours each way to Tahoe at 75mph, and I want something with 5k lbs towing capacity If Toyota sells a land cruiser with leather interior and third row seating for $20k less than the Lexus equivalent, we might just do that Edit: I think the GX looks loads better though, the retro styling looks very 2014, looks like it should be parked next to a VW Beetle and FJ Cruiser from the same vintage Hadlock fucked around with this message at 18:06 on Aug 2, 2023 |
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Hadlock posted:New Land Cruiser looks like it's an FJ wagon - i.e. designed to compete with the Wrangler unlimited 4 door, which is a big seller for jeep at the ~$40k+ point. I guess some people take the top off the jeep but if your reaction to "jeep culture" is There seems to be confusion on what 'Land Cruiser' is worldwide. Like yeah here in the USA we only got the comfort Cruisers, the family wagon oriented ones that corrupted themselves into a luxury-without-the-badge big boy. Cool and good, but the rest of the world, by and large, know this as THE Land Cruiser, the 70:  Unless you are in Australia then you get all the Land Cruisers including the 300, 70 and the Prados! The 40 series which turned into the 70 series which then became the Prado which itself became the small Cruiser which is even more popular than the big ones. This new US market Land Cruiser is a Prado, a smaller, more focused and less expensive but just as much loved Land Cruiser. I'd argue quite heavily that this Land Cruiser for the US is a return to its true form. They all come standard with rear difflock which wasn't a guarantee on any Cruiser before, even on the hardcore 70 series. If someone has a 200 series (I have a 200 series) and they wanted a replacement for it they do sell that here in the US: The Lexus LX. If you wanted a lesser Lexus, that's the new GX. If you want an even lesser version, now you get the new Land Cruiser. And I guess if you don't want 4WD you can get the presumably new 4Runner whenever they reveal that. To your point though, the GX is what you are looking for. That is this new Cruiser but with a third row.
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I think the 70 series is still in production in Venezuela(?) or was until recently; in Colombia all the reputable contractors drive 70 series. Last time I was down there, was a cherry red one with a goregous varnished side panel flat bed thing, I'll have to dig up the photo.I spent probably more time than I should have looking into importing a ~98 model It would be cool to see a
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Hadlock posted:New Land Cruiser looks like it's an FJ wagon - i.e. designed to compete with the Wrangler unlimited 4 door, which is a big seller for jeep at the ~$40k+ point. I guess some people take the top off the jeep but if your reaction to "jeep culture" is The Jeep, or more closely, the Ford Bronco.
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Yeah Bronco is a good comparison. Wow 9 variants starting at $35k all the way up to $70k and then the top end model at $87k  Trim tier 6 is $47k which I guess most closely competes with the base LC. Locking f/r axles and 35" tires
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Hadlock posted:I think the 70 series is still in production in Venezuela(?) or was until recently; in Colombia all the reputable contractors drive 70 series. Last time I was down there, was a cherry red one with a goregous varnished side panel flat bed thing, I'll have to dig up the photo.I spent probably more time than I should have looking into importing a ~98 model The 70 is still manufactured (in Japan still afaik) and sold in Australia as well as all over the middle east. Part of the announcement for the new Cruiser was an update to the 70, now you can get it with a 4cy turbo diesel and an automatic. Afaik at least in Japan the 70 proper never got a 4cyl, only a 5 and 6 diesel. Maybe this is the first 70 with a 4cy, not sure. The 70 series Prado though always had a 4cyl turbo diesel. KakerMix fucked around with this message at 21:01 on Aug 2, 2023 |
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Does Toyota not sell the 70 series in the US due to crash regulations? Seems like with 50 years to pay down the tooling they could sell them here for $90k at at least 50% profit margins and people would be climbing over each other to buy them. Clearly Toyota knows how to put emissions compliant engines in them People buy the g wagon after all
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Hadlock posted:Does Toyota not sell the 70 series in the US due to crash regulations? Seems like with 50 years to pay down the tooling they could sell them here for $90k at at least 50% profit margins and people would be climbing over each other to buy them. Clearly Toyota knows how to put emissions compliant engines in them The 70 series is sold in big numbers in Australia for farm use and mining/primary industry sites - many of them will never actually see a public road and even more will never see the Big Smoke starting at 67K AUD unless you are GST exempt which primary producers are so take 10% off and then also take off other taxes and fees not applicable to primary producers. The F150 got that market locked hard in the USA. Shopping Center farmers /Suburban cockys get dual cab Hiluxes
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Not bad, nice that it's smaller, but dang, $50K starting. I'm probably out of touch on car pricing. RWD turbo hybrid is neat. KakerMix posted:
 Hadlock posted:Edit: I think the GX looks loads better though, the retro styling looks very 2014, looks like it should be parked next to a VW Beetle and FJ Cruiser from the same vintage I don't find that to be a bad thing. The current GX looks... I don't know, prissy? Hate all the lower body bits, and absolutely hate the protruding nose and gargantuan front gaping maw. Fake edit: oh, poo poo, the 2024 GX doesn't look like any of that. It's basically the Land Cruiser Plus. Color me surprised. Front end is *way* more restrained than the '23.
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Yeah lexus finally realized boomers are no longer their only market segment, I guess The old GX looks awful, I agree. I didn't even realize the old GX was RWD until I started looking in to them Comparison   And then here is the 2024 US spec "prado" landcruiser vs the 2021 "global prado" land cruiser  Supposedly the US is getting a retro styled land cruiser, while the rest of the world is getting a "regular" front facia? maybe? too early to know for sure but I read that somewhere us land cruiser in blue, and another comparison   old, lovely boomer GX for scale: 
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Hadlock posted:Does Toyota not sell the 70 series in the US due to crash regulations? Seems like with 50 years to pay down the tooling they could sell them here for $90k at at least 50% profit margins and people would be climbing over each other to buy them. Clearly Toyota knows how to put emissions compliant engines in them The "G-Class" took a long time to get from utilitarian agricultural machine to high class fashion statement and while I think that could have been possible had Toyota did it in the same timeframe as Mercedes I don't think that is possible now. Plus, if they wanted to sell a stripper Cruiser built like the 70 here in the USA then that is also a decade past possibility. I have a first gen 70 Prado and I love it, but it sucks. I've imported a whole lot of them and other ~real~ 70s and sold them to other people that love them, but they still suck as a car. The place for people to buy something like that is in the 20-30k mark, where the people willing to spend that are willing to deal with an in-context uncomfortable, inefficient agricultural experience. If you go past that price the thing starts to become a real car you grade against other real, modern cars and then the value is out the window to have the Land Cruiser badge and the smugness to say "heh, 70 series" and thumb your nose at scrubs in Wranglers. I love to do that in the 25k range, but harder to do that if you spent more, especially if it was tarted up to a 90k price tag. That would be a betrayal of what the 70 series is, which is a technical, a tractor, an ambulance, a real, true rugged and dependable vehicle that's carried incalculable amounts of humanity since 1984. And in that context, the market probably doesn't exist in the USA enough for Toyota to pursue. I'd buy an Australian-spec 70 series right now, with that diesel V8 and manual transmission, even in right hand drive at the what looks to be like 50,000 USD converting from aussie moon monies. I'd maybe even 60,000 USD. A blue troopy or double-cab GXL, please  Basically I think Toyota did this completely properly, the new Land Cruiser will sell in volume that will far surpass the 200 and before series Cruisers. There just aren't enough people that will spend luxury car money on something that doesn't scream "I SPENT 90K!!". Land Cruiser had by far the most people that would, but that really isn't the most lucrative market. Now the Cruiser is a bespoke off-road focused machine that is more capable than the old one in that realm and in the reach of far more people to actually use it for its purpose. I'm sure most will still be sold to the same people that buy the snorkeldork 4Runners and hard park at Trader Joes, but that's better than selling 2000 a year to idiots like me. Darchangel posted:Not bad, nice that it's smaller, but dang, $50K starting. I'm probably out of touch on car pricing. Hadlock posted:The old GX looks awful, I agree. I didn't even realize the old GX was RWD until I started looking in to them AWD  The Lexus GX has always been the Land Cruiser Prado but with a V8, and there has never been a 2WD Cruiser which means there was never a RWD GX, always full-time AWD. Hadlock posted:And then here is the 2024 US spec "prado" landcruiser vs the 2021 "global prado" land cruiser That's the new Land Cruiser on the left and the old US-spec J200 series on the right. They aren't comparable as the J200 series is a 'big' Cruiser and not the Prado (aka J150) at all. You'd have to compare the new Cruiser (J250) to the old Lexus GX (J150) if you wanted a similar type of vehicle comparison. It gets murky because of platform homogenization so now you do target market focus instead.
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Good info, thanks We rented a (murdered out  ) sequoia last week traveling, is that roughly the same platform/size as the new GX and Land Cruiser? And there's a pickup that also uses it I think. Trying to calibrate my driving experience. I've been in a luxobarge sedan the last four yearsEdit: I guess they call it shadowline 
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Hadlock posted:Good info, thanks Sequoia has always been larger than any Land Cruiser, even the big boy J200 or even the current J300 in Lexus LX form. The pickup you're thinking of is the Toyota Tundra, of which the Sequoia is the SUV version of that. Your Sequoia is the hugest Toyota, a GX/Land Cruiser will be quite petite in comparison. If you're cool with how the Sequoia drove then you'll probably be quite pleased with the Lexus GX in size and peppiness. I think now they are the same platform but that's every manufacturer now. The Sequoia is more like a Suburban or Escalade analog.
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I wish there was a plug-in-hybrid version of the Sienna
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Hadlock posted:Yeah lexus finally realized boomers are no longer their only market segment, I guess KakerMix posted:To your point though, the GX is what you are looking for. That is this new Cruiser but with a third row. Is there a wheelbase difference between the new GX and the new US-spec Land Cruiser for the third row, or is it just different interior parts?
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bennyfactor posted:Is there a wheelbase difference between the new GX and the new US-spec Land Cruiser for the third row, or is it just different interior parts? Identical wheelbase. People aren't joking about how the new Land Cruiser is a Prado or a down-market Lexus GX, that's literally what it is. A different body work, as you mention interior parts too. The rear cupholders are still in the new US Land Cruiser, presumably because those panels are used in the GX or non-US Prados which probably will still have the third row. The first look people talk about the high deck in the rear and can't seem to agree why. It makes sense to me that the batteries are back there, along with the solid axle and full-size spare. If it were me I'd just slap the spare on the back like a cool retro boy and drop the floor down. Maybe the non-hybrid versions sold elsewhere have a shorter floor making the third row better? idk. The original Prados, if you got the 4 door versions, always had a third row like any good Land Cruiser 
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I'm kind of curious if they will offer third row as an option. Might be testing the market to see how outraged people are about the last of third row seats as a cost cutting measure. As they pointed out it is a prototype, as as Kaker pointed out that hybrid battery has to go somewhere. We're definitely in the market for a 3rd row seat vehicle if possible
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:The 70 series is sold in big numbers in Australia for farm use and mining/primary industry sites - many of them will never actually see a public road and even more will never see the Big Smoke starting at 67K AUD unless you are GST exempt which primary producers are so take 10% off and then also take off other taxes and fees not applicable to primary producers. The F150 got that market locked hard in the USA. Plenty of them still get sold as mall crawlers to the rural crowd, they're pretty common up here in Mackay with $20k of mods and being sold with no more than 15k KMs on the clock, never having seen anything more than a slightly potholed dirt road. The actual farmers here are the ones running the same one for half a million KMs.
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One of the few benefits of living in the Bay Area is you get see stuff like this used as a daily driver... The interior was absolutely mint. So pretty.
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Hadlock posted:Technically not a car but variety is the spice of life https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5p7GIJ9fz0 Here is a video of one of that type of engines running. You know when it's started when the picture goes wobbly.
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Finger Prince posted:This thing is insane. The footage looks sped up! All electric with downforce fans like the 2J. Holy poo poo.
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Humbug Scoolbus posted:One of the few benefits of living in the Bay Area is you get see stuff like this used as a daily driver... I considered just creating a C10 appreciation album after I saw a bunch of mint ones, and not so mint ones, here in Denver.
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Data Graham posted:It’s turning the earth’s driveshaft (but really, power generation and pumping)
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