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Nodoze posted:Carson Wentz was never good, Goff at least had good tape out there even if there were questions about how much was McVay Did you start watching football in 2020 or…?
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https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1688544071613038592 I am not a Kareem Hunt fan, but it's crazy to me he's just a 3 game fill in guy now. I guess his yards per carry were way down last year, but it's only one year, and it was the Browns just trying to put pieces together. And he isn't 30. No market for big money for him I understand and there shouldn't be one. No offers other than possibly this I don't.
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Kalli posted:Wentz has almost the exact same tape, he put up 33 TD's in less then a full season with the Eagles that one year. That Wentz season was propped up by insanely high and unsustainable redzone numbers, it was a total fluke and not anyway his real skill level fsif posted:Did you start watching football in 2020 or…? No. I didn't know thinking Carson Wentz was never that good was a hot take though Nodoze fucked around with this message at 14:53 on Aug 7, 2023 |
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Nodoze posted:That Wentz season was propped up by insanely high and unsustainable redzone numbers, it was a total fluke and not anyway his real skill level Yeah but we're comparing him to Jared Goff's year in McVay's offense.
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Grittybeard posted:https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1688544071613038592 I mean, we lost Eno Benjamin and potentially replace him with Kareem Hunt??? I'll take that.
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Silly Burrito posted:I mean, we lost Eno Benjamin and potentially replace him with Kareem Hunt??? I'll take that.
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I don't believe he's Kareem Hunt anymore though, he was pretty non-existent last year, and while the Browns did have that whole thing going on, Nick Chubb was still Nick Chubb.
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Nodoze posted:No. I didn't know thinking Carson Wentz was never that good was a hot take though It is. He was an MVP candidate (favorite?) pre-injury in 2017 and was at least an obvious starting-caliber guy in 2018 and 2019.
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Kalli posted:I don't believe he's Kareem Hunt anymore though, he was pretty non-existent last year, and while the Browns did have that whole thing going on, Nick Chubb was still Nick Chubb. Chubb was down too! Um...just his being down still meant 5 yards a carry.
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:You'd think Jamaal and Kendre could hold down the fort for three games? Thats a lot of mouths to feed. They should, but RBs get hurt, and the fresher you can keep your players over the long haul, the better.
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Silly Burrito posted:They should, but RBs get hurt, and the fresher you can keep your players over the long haul, the better.
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fsif posted:It is. He was an MVP candidate (favorite?) pre-injury in 2017 and was at least an obvious starting-caliber guy in 2018 and 2019. I don't really agree with that. 2017 and 2018 are pretty clearly outliers, he never came close to that level of TD rate or completion % again. I'll accept that 2019 is probably the best you'd expect from him aside from the INTs being a little too low but, having a sub 65% completion rate isn't really that great in the modern NFL. I never saw him as a perennial MVP candidate QB, those guys were very clearly better than him. His Colts numbers aren't even atrocious, but everyone knows he played like total rear end I also would have just accepted Wentz would be out of the league simply because he always got hurt while Goff has been fairly durable.
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I guess there can always be fluky years for any player, but he looked legit good in 2017 at least and I thought he was going to be a top 10 QB for a while. I recall some rumor-mill stuff about him being resistant to instruction, maybe once he started looking good in that 2017/2018 period it all went to his head and he decided he did not need to listen to coaches anymore and stagnated.
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Mega64 posted:Fitzpatrick was special because he was generally bad but also managed to be good at the right enough times that teams kept biting on him. Yeah a Fitz game was almost always exciting, the mystery was which side’s fans got to enjoy it any given week. Like Jameis if he was cool instead of an rear end in a top hat sex pest.
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The point when you start talking about “outliers” that are multiple years long within a like six-year career is the point at which you need to admit you’re just pushing a narrative contra the facts. Wentz had a really good year, but the injury set him back, and meanwhile he reinforced some of his worst habits.
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I do enjoy comparing Goff and Wentz like we're arguing the merits of two used cars we can afford on a $900 budget. It is extremely funny that Wentz can't get a job while Sam Darnold is a hair's breadth away from walking to the divisional round of the playoffs. Kalli fucked around with this message at 16:50 on Aug 7, 2023 |
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Kalli posted:I do enjoy comparing Goff and Wentz like we're arguing the merits of two used cars we can afford on a $900 budget. It's literally 100% personality based.
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rjmccall posted:The point when you start talking about “outliers” that are multiple years long within a like six-year career is the point at which you need to admit you’re just pushing a narrative contra the facts. There was also a season in there, I believe 2019 that was covered by the All or Nothing documentary, where their skill position group was so banged up they seriously had Josh McCown on the sidelines ready to go in as a wide receiver if needed cause he’d done it in Detroit once or twice like a decade earlier.
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Oppenheimer is a prescient reminder for us to discuss the importance of FatMan... err, fat men touchdowns. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8envPaAc0w Akeem Hicks eying the Eagles defender is hilarious.
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rjmccall posted:The point when you start talking about “outliers” that are multiple years long within a like six-year career is the point at which you need to admit you’re just pushing a narrative contra the facts. They aren't multiple years long though? He had one year with an absurdly high, for any qb not just him, red zone TD% and one year with a very out of the norm for him completion % Wentz is definitely some type of huge rear end in a top hat cause the Colts couldn't move on from him fast enough
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Nodoze posted:That Wentz season was propped up by insanely high and unsustainable redzone numbers, it was a total fluke and not anyway his real skill level I don't like Carson Wentz's play just as much as the next guy but he was legitimately good that year with nobody WRs. You should never throw out numbers in football stats. Because you imply that it's an anomaly that also implies that normalized stats are factual with significance. Excluding the fact that every single player in the league has fluctuating stats away from their career averages every single year, you assume that a playstyle is unsustainable just because you haven't seen it before. Maybe Wentz is actually a savant in the red zone. Maybe other teams could get better. Why aren't we attacking Patrick Mahomes ridiculous number totals? He put up 5k yards one year, could have easily been accused of it being an anomaly after putting up three 4k yard seasons in a row, then he just did it again last year. People are weird with their football arguments.
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Doltos posted:I don't like Carson Wentz's play just as much as the next guy but he was legitimately good that year with nobody WRs. Mahomes missed two games his 2nd season and threw 100 less pass attempts, there is an easy explanation for the large yardage drop off that season. His other two seasons in between are both just under 5k yards, nothing you could look at and go wow he'll never do that again. 2020 he missed one game and averaged 316 y/g over the other 15, he plays that game he more than likely has another 5000 yard season.
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I know (or at least think) Doltos' point is that we try and extrapolate way too much from a single stat or two. But, I just want to point out the list of QBs with 5k yards passing in 16 games is literally all future HOFers and Jameis Winston. If my QB only manages that one time, I'm not going to think less of him or argue he didn't peak.
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If there's something with regression for Mahomes' numbers it's that the defense looks better so he may not need to keep up with teams. But so far this offseason he has more receiving options than any other time in his career. That's without a healthy Toney. edit: not the fantasy thread!
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mcmagic posted:It's literally 100% personality based. Yeah, exactly. D'Arnold's career hasn't gone the way I'm sure he imagined it (having Gase and Rhule as his first two HCs didn't do him any favors, talent level aside), but he's been a team player and from what I've seen seems to be a decent guy. Wentz, from everything we've heard, is like the opposite of D'Arnold. And we can see who still has a job
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Feel bad that we're all missing the most obvious marriage here. An organization with a likely desperate need at QB used to handling guys with terrible personalities? Wentz on the Packers, c'mon, make it happen. Can't let the Lions take that division cheeseheads.
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Kalli posted:Feel bad that we're all missing the most obvious marriage here.
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Bismack Billabongo posted:Lol this is hilarious. The bengals and bucs? Ok edit: the more I look the sheer scale of clickbaity-ness it is becomes apparent.
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