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notaspy posted:I have always found it interesting that Horus is a lefty I believe all marines are canonically ambidextrous. Two Primarch questions: 1. The Night Lords all apparently have black eyes, even the ones from Terra, because geneseed. But the black eyes are a Nostromo thing, and Curze wasn’t born on Nostromo. Shouldn’t he not have the all-black eyes? Are the Terran marines just wearing colored contacts to fit in? 2. In several of the books it’s mentioned that some legions had unstable geneseed until they found their Primarch, and they could get it from the source. Was this a one-time process or are there vials of Dorne’s spit and Guilliman’s blood flying back to base constantly? Does Fulgrim insist on jerking off into a cup while an AdMech magos watches, despite them only needing a cheek swab? Does he make eye contact??
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OPAONI posted:Let's be fair. Looting that set off a catastrophic chain of events that killed the planet. Pretty sure Trazyn letting a genestealer loose, as a prank, is what actually put the planet on an inevitable course towards exterminatus.
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Aug 9, 2023 22:02
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Listen, you can essentially blame everything that's gone wrong in the galaxy on the necrons, and for simplicity's sake you can direct all your anger at a single point (Trazyn)
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Aug 9, 2023 22:06
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if the Old Ones had given them new bodies like they asked 
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Aug 9, 2023 22:17
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euphronius posted:It would be great if Horus won and they started an alternate story line. It's really been Horus on the Golden Throne the past 10,000 years.  Wake up sheeple!
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Aug 9, 2023 22:26
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That would low key rule and flip the table on who he was the sacrifice for lol
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Aug 9, 2023 22:41
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I still maintain that (HH speculation:) it's gonna turn out that the Emperor is the Dark King; Chaos outplayed him and twisted the entire Heresy into a ritual that'd turn whoever won into a new Chaos God. It immediately recontextualizes everything we think we've always known about his imprisonment on the Golden Throne, and it utterly kicks the legs out of the "just unplug him and let his spirit hit the Warp, it'll do some real good there" faction of fans, which is pretty sizable. It also means that the Golden Throne being on the verge of permanent breakdown is a much more existential threat than we'd previously realized, and that Big E showing signs of stirring ever since the Great Rift is not a reason for hope, but rather the exact opposite. Taking away something fans think is a bright spot is GW's favorite thing, after all, and this would be an actually very well executed twist.
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Aug 9, 2023 22:48
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CapnAndy posted:I think part of the problem with Eldar protagonists is that, even by the standards of grimark, the Eldar are the race of utter loving bastards. It's really hard to root for the guys for whom "geez, I'm on track to be mildly inconvenienced in two hundred years, or... I could condemn billions of innocents to a horrible death" is both a no-brainer to choose the latter option and also a fairly common occurrence. That's only your far-seeingest of the farseers like eldrad, theres plenty of eldar protagonists that are easy to root for. Most craftworld citizens seem to consider any time on the war paths as a begrudging necessity of survival, experience horrifying ptsd when they remove the warmask that takes a while to get over, and mostly feeling horror and disdain at eldar who lose themselves on the paths of violence. Lot of people who just get caught up in events larger than them and beyond their control, forced to fight to survive against horrors beyond their comprehension. It's not that much different from novels from the imperial perspective. Sometimes your general can see into the future. Sharkopath fucked around with this message at 23:02 on Aug 9, 2023 |
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Aug 9, 2023 22:50
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Sharkopath posted:Most craftworld citizens seem to consider any time on the war paths as a begrudging necessity of survival, experience horrifying ptsd when they remove the warmask that takes a while to get over, and mostly feeling horror and disdain at eldar who lose themselves on the paths of violence. Goddamned shitlibs, those Eldar.
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euphronius posted:Aren’t the exodites Chill? They just have less opportunities to be dicks
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Aug 10, 2023 00:55
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von Metternich posted:I believe all marines are canonically ambidextrous. 1. It is implied that the primarchs may have taken on physical traits of the people of their adoptive homeworld. It's also implied that the Emps may have known where the primarchs were going to land and engineered them for those worlds. 2. I would imagine that it was a one time thing. The legions geneseed were engineered based on the primarch's dna so maybe having the source material was necessary to correct some sort of mutation or such.
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von Metternich posted:2. In several of the books it’s mentioned that some legions had unstable geneseed until they found their Primarch, and they could get it from the source. Was this a one-time process or are there vials of Dorne’s spit and Guilliman’s blood flying back to base constantly? Does Fulgrim insist on jerking off into a cup while an AdMech magos watches, despite them only needing a cheek swab? Does he make eye contact?? Wait, don't they?
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von Metternich posted:I believe all marines are canonically ambidextrous. 1. Curze had the all-black eyes because he was designed as The Goth One, and that just happened to also be a Nostramo thing. 2. In the case of the Thousand Sons the instability was only cured via their primarch making a deal with daemons, and for the Blood Angels/Space Wolves their respective primarchs basically just put a big ol' glamour over the issues via their cult(s) of personality.
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The red thirst is something to do with the Baal system, Khorne put a curse on it.
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wiegieman posted:The red thirst is something to do with the Baal system, Khorne put a curse on it. I thought in Darkness in the Blood it was the Black Rage that was just a manifestation of some peculiar haunting of the Baal system. And it was basically being held at bay via Sanguinius' existence until his death and the burden fell on his sons.
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Sextro posted:I thought in Darkness in the Blood it was the Black Rage that was just a manifestation of some peculiar haunting of the Baal system. And it was basically being held at bay via Sanguinius' existence until his death and the burden fell on his sons. They're double-cursed, the black rage is the psychic echo of his death in battle against Horus.
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I can't remember which Heresy book I saw it in, but it would fit the universe for the Primarch/homeworld matchups to be a predestination thing.
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GordonTheDeadFish posted:I can't remember which Heresy book I saw it in, but it would fit the universe for the Primarch/homeworld matchups to be a predestination thing. I don't remember which of the MANY HH books it came up in, but wasn't there a throwaway comment that Fulgrim and Sanguinious were supposed to land on each others planets but were switched? I can't remember for the life of me which one it was. There's a lot of the HH books that I read once never to return
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Dog_Meat posted:I don't remember which of the MANY HH books it came up in, but wasn't there a throwaway comment that Fulgrim and Sanguinious were supposed to land on each others planets but were switched? I can't remember for the life of me which one it was. There's a lot of the HH books that I read once never to return
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Biplane posted:Ravenor, then hop on another 11 hour flight and start on Bequin. Hey I just finished the second bequin book and it was the best Warhammer book I've read? I've done eisenhorn and ravenor, gaunts and night lords, infinite/divine and Reign. And ciaphas. I was thinking of reading more Warhammer.. maybe something like siege of terra? I'm just worried cause space marines are boring in most writers hands and the start of the first book is already dry..
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Serdain posted:Hey I just finished the second bequin book and it was the best Warhammer book I've read? I've done eisenhorn and ravenor, gaunts and night lords, infinite/divine and Reign. And ciaphas. I feel like all I do is recommend Chris Wraight, but seriously pick up Carrion Throne to start with. Unbeliavbly good, easily one of the best ever warhammer novels, and the entire trilogy is peak 40k.
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Serdain posted:Hey I just finished the second bequin book and it was the best Warhammer book I've read? I've done eisenhorn and ravenor, gaunts and night lords, infinite/divine and Reign. And ciaphas. The Vaults of Terra books are really cool if you want more Inquisition stuff, and if you want some (kinda) Heresy-era stuff that isn't just Space Marines all the time, the Valdor book is also a lot of fun. Definitely check out the audiobook version. If you want more of the weird gothic horror stuff that was pretty pervasive through Bequin, I'd recommend Peter Fehevari. His stuff is its own little fiefdom of WEIRD poo poo, but its good. Very good. Also his Space Marines are cool.
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Serdain posted:I was thinking of reading more Warhammer.. maybe something like siege of terra? I'm just worried cause space marines are boring in most writers hands and the start of the first book is already dry.. A lot of the heresy is boring and/or bad, but there are a couple of little mini-series within it that are good The First Heretic (ADB), Know No Fear (Abnett), and Betrayer (ADB) form a trilogy around the Word Bearers, World Eaters, and Ultramarines. Betrayer is one of my favourite Warhammer books. A Thousand Sons (Graham McNeill), and Prospero Burns are a duology centred around the Thousand Sons, and Space Wolves. Prospero Burns in particular does the heroic task of making the Space Wolves actually interesting and weird, and not just Wolf Wolf Mc Wolvesalot. Outside of the Heresy, read the two Twice Dead King books (Ruin, and Reign) by Nate Crowley. Gravitas Shortfall fucked around with this message at 15:38 on Aug 10, 2023 |
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The usual BL rule holds for the siege books: the good authors did good ones, the bad authors are skippable.
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Scars and Path of Heaven is another great mini story within HH, Path of Heaven in particular rules
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Brutal Kunnin' and especially Warboss get the Imperium where so many other books don't.
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Serdain posted:Hey I just finished the second bequin book and it was the best Warhammer book I've read? I've done eisenhorn and ravenor, gaunts and night lords, infinite/divine and Reign. And ciaphas. I recommend checking out Peter Fehervari's works. Requiem Infernal is probably the best horror book I've read from the Black Library (despite hilariously enough not having the label). His space marines tend to be very unique. Also just finished the Fabious Bile trilogy. Somewhat recommend it, even if I didn't love it. Laughing Zealot fucked around with this message at 19:12 on Aug 10, 2023 |
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I cannot recommend The infinite and the Divine enough. It is my favourite Bl 40k novel
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bunnyofdoom posted:I cannot recommend The infinite and the Divine enough. It is my favourite Bl 40k novel This is 100% right. Throw in Double Eagle.
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Not gonna lie, I got a little emotional during Double Eagle. Would it have killed you to pen Double Eagle 2 before End and the Death Pt 3, Dan????
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wiegieman posted:He's like a black hole with something human-like stretched across it. yeah. honestly one of my favorite things about the heresy is the traitors start out sorta "noble" ish enough and by the end they are just gibbering psychos. Sextro posted:1. Curze had the all-black eyes because he was designed as The Goth One, and that just happened to also be a Nostramo thing. i mean the blood angels are basicaly the world eaters until sanguinus comes and gives them greater purprose then chasing addictions and feeding and gives them(espsicually the younger/new ones) actual nobility, it was always under the surface with the horror and poo poo but even after angel at poo poo, they still mostly keep it.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:yeah. honestly one of my favorite things about the heresy is the traitors start out sorta "noble" ish enough and by the end they are just gibbering psychos. They go so loving insane and overboard that they lose any real ground to stand on with their complaints to the point that the Khan, who does not like the Imperium and how rigid everything is, goes "Yeah Dad was right you hosed all this up, turned into a monster and absolutely betrayed both your sons and your ideals and I see why he didn't tell us poo poo" to Mortarian. Edit: They go so insane that one of the defining things about the Black Legion is they don't give a poo poo about the chaos Primarchs because they are essentially worthless for any grand scheme strategies because it's all about their pet schemes now. Telsa Cola fucked around with this message at 03:42 on Aug 11, 2023 |
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AndyElusive posted:Not gonna lie, I got a little emotional during Double Eagle. All you're getting before Interceptor City releases in 2944 is the Apostle's Creed short story from the first Sabbat Worlds collection.
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Reading First and Only for the first time and boy this book really moves, huh? something is always happening every couple pages, people are dying and politicking and then here's a cliffhanger, a flashback, a flashback cliffhanger, then back to the action it's neat. not loving this Milo kid, who seems to me to be "what if Wesley Crusher had precognition?", but maybe he just needs to grow on me
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WarpDogs posted:not loving this Milo kid, who seems to me to be "what if Wesley Crusher had precognition?", but maybe he just needs to grow on me He will. Unless you're a null and predisposed to hating good characters for no reason and also not having a soul.
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The nice thing about the Gaunt’s Ghosts novels is that there is always a chance any given character is going to die a horrible death. 
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Arc Hammer posted:All you're getting before Interceptor City releases in 2944 is the Apostle's Creed short story from the first Sabbat Worlds collection.  
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WarpDogs posted:Reading First and Only for the first time and boy this book really moves, huh? something is always happening every couple pages, people are dying and politicking and then here's a cliffhanger, a flashback, a flashback cliffhanger, then back to the action I was worried that the books after Ghostmaker would feel less expansive due to being set on a single planet over the whole volume, but fortunately it's not an issue at all.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i mean the blood angels are basicaly the world eaters until sanguinus comes Hell, they're arguably worse, since the World Eaters aren't running around eating the dead and slurping brains directly out of skulls. Pre-Sanguinius Blood Angels/Revenant Legion were scary nightmare creatures cosplaying as men.
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Legion and chapter rivalries are nothing new but have there been any notable additions to the Big Rivalries list? Thousand Sons vs Space Wolves Iron Warriors vs Imperial Fists Emperor's Children vs Iron Hands Word Bearers vs Ultramarines Dark Angels vs Space Wolves - Bromance Tier I know there's plenty of one-sided hate boners among the traitor legions that tend to get directed against the Ultras but are there anymore of those that are mutual drop everything and throw punches hatreds?
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