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Cojawfee posted:I am still annoyed that this show gets so much Jared Harris and The Expanse got so little. That was a true injustice. His Dawes was such a great character that we got far too little of.
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Honestly I would probably be fine if they ditched miss swimsuit and miss gun and just made the whole show Empire versus Seldon. Jarred Harris is fine, the Priests were fine, Empire is fine. But anything that's not them and a good chunk of Harris' time just loving drags because the characters are so shallow. I mean c'mon, as a woman i am finding it hard to be invested and relate to the only two leads that are women, how do you gently caress up writing characters that badly lmao
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alexandriao posted:I mean c'mon, as a woman i am finding it hard to be invested and relate to the only two leads that are women, how do you gently caress up writing characters that badly lmao Poorly written female characters are an Asimov trademark
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Aug 11, 2023 21:38
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I appreciated the awkward realistic sex scene
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Aug 11, 2023 22:27
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3 kg of beer is like 8 normal US sized cans of beer, or 6 500 ml bottles of beer from Germany
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I can't describe why I dislike that queen girl's acting so much. It's like she got direction to play like a side character in spring break romcom. Can't even tell if she really wants to find out her family's killer or just pretend to, based on the actress's acting. stephenthinkpad fucked around with this message at 03:01 on Aug 12, 2023 |
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Data Graham posted:I appreciated the awkward realistic sex scene
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Aug 12, 2023 03:18
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The DominionQueen, Gaal, and Salvor are all really annoying.
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This show skirts the line of bad and good, it's not a hatewatch (yet), but parts of it might be. There's a lot of juicy stuff here, Jared Harris makes a lot of the stupid pseudo-scientific stuff work, it's always smart to get a thespian for roles like that since you really need that theatrical confidence to be able to sell all the silly bullshit. I love the party monks too, they're quickly becoming my favorite characters in the show. The Cleon saga continues to be entertaining and I don't mind the Queen too much; she's impulsive but the show makes it clear she's out of her element. But drat, Gaal and Salvor are terrible characters made worse by the show's core story hinging around them. I don't think it's the actors fault necessarily, while Harris does make those scenes a lot more tolerable I think it's the writing for them that makes it hard to watch, they're written paradoxically as ultra competent idiots. Like the psychic dude who ambushed Salvor, he had a loving knife out, his actions make no sense if they were the person they said they were, there was red flags all over. There could have been more psychic manipulation that we (the viewer) are unaware of but it's a failure of storytelling if that's the case, it just comes off as sloppy. SCheeseman fucked around with this message at 04:39 on Aug 12, 2023 |
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Aug 12, 2023 04:32
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It's very funny how the show keeps finding excuse after excuse to have actors who appeared in previous seasons that occurred hundreds of years ago to come back to play another role or maybe the same role again with all the other actors who somehow either got cloned or went into cryosleep or are in a perpetual rebirth cycle or are immortal robots or have been manifested into an incorporeal AI body or who the gently caress knows what else is next. Like that's basically the show's whole gimmick at this point, they might as well lean into it. It's a millennia-long timeline! Come see how we stretch out our original billed cast list across the whole timeline in sixteen different ways!
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SCheeseman posted:But drat, Gaal and Salvor are terrible characters made worse by the show's core story hinging around them. I don't think it's the actors fault necessarily, while Harris does make those scenes a lot more tolerable I think it's the writing for them that makes it hard to watch, they're written paradoxically as ultra competent idiots. They're standard hero-types. Temperamental, self-reliant, some kind of trauma and always serious or angry. Kinda bland and boring. Meanwhile they're on a side quest to fix Gaals fuckup which may be important in the abstract but neither affects the immediate conflict between Foundation and Empire nor the conflict within Empire.
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Though the Gaal/Salvor/Hari plot is much more enjoyable to watch this season, it's still wild how much better the Empire plot is. Just the scene of Dusk and Dawn in the Memorium was more dramatic and gripping than every Gaal/Salvor combined.
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GodFish posted:Though the Gaal/Salvor/Hari plot is much more enjoyable to watch this season, it's still wild how much better the Empire plot is. Just the scene of Dusk and Dawn in the Memorium was more dramatic and gripping than every Gaal/Salvor combined.
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Rachel House owns. Super happy to see her here playing a variation on the earth goddess antagonist archetype.SCheeseman posted:the psychic dude who ambushed Salvor, he had a loving knife out, his actions make no sense if they were the person they said they were, there was red flags all over. There could have been more psychic manipulation that we (the viewer) are unaware of but it's a failure of storytelling if that's the case, it just comes off as sloppy. House has a line later in the episode where she talks about how Gaal and Salvor are vulnerable to overlooking inconsistencies during psychic manipulation. So yeah, I think the episode considered that to some degree. Open Source Idiom fucked around with this message at 14:25 on Aug 12, 2023 |
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This episode was actually kinda good
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I enjoy the show still but it really feels like there's zero coherence to anything. Oh now we go to some planet, there's a government guy executing people with gigantic spikes, oh now we are going to some desert planet where they randomly find Hari Seldon is alive for some reason, oh now we are on some forest planet and there's a weird psychic child god, who's actually an adult psychic oracle, who's evil??? It's total nonsense. If you told me to summarize what has happened so far I would really struggle to do so. There's a lot more bad comedy now? The overall theme seems to say that psychohistory sucks because it doesn't account for The Human Heart?? Corny, dumb, annoying characters. I still somehow find it entertaining though? Hakkesshu fucked around with this message at 14:41 on Aug 12, 2023 |
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There is no psychic child god or god at all. Those people are just psychics and people mistaken them as gods. The child god was just a projection, smoke and mirrors.
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Its a weekly scifi variety show that pays homage to different scifi shows of the past. Written by guys who have watched decent amount of pop culture but don't read any science fiction novels. Which makes this show so funny. And Lee Pace just tries to save the show all by himself.
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R Daneels supposed to be this cheeky per official lore?
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Combat Pretzel posted:R Daneels supposed to be this cheeky per official lore? No. Elijah Baley finds his aloof behaviour puzzling sometimes, but that hilarious gif is nothing like R. Daneel in the original works.
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Does this fist pump exchange imply Day only know how to have sex with mummy robot but never with a human being?
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Maybe he knew how but robot lady really did it for him and the princess didn’t
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stephenthinkpad posted:Does this fist pump exchange imply Day only know how to have sex with mummy robot but never with a human being? Current Dusk was a way cooler day than current Day. Compare and contrast "Call me Day" with "Call me Cleon"
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Hakkesshu posted:I enjoy the show still but it really feels like there's zero coherence to anything. Oh now we go to some planet, there's a government guy executing people with gigantic spikes, oh now we are going to some desert planet where they randomly find Hari Seldon is alive for some reason, oh now we are on some forest planet and there's a weird psychic child god, who's actually an adult psychic oracle, who's evil??? Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:Current Dusk was a way cooler day than current Day. Compare and contrast "Call me Day" with "Call me Cleon" DaveKap fucked around with this message at 22:49 on Aug 12, 2023 |
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My theory is that the foreverly himbofied genetic empire periodically fucks up so badly that Mom has to murder everybody and reincarnate grandpa
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Kill All Cops posted:This episode was actually kinda good This show is beginning to occupy the same place that The 100 did for me. I only see trash going into the pot and yet after supper I continue to exclaim, "Hey... that was pretty good!"
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Penitent posted:This show is beginning to occupy the same place that The 100 did for me. I only see trash going into the pot and yet after supper I continue to exclaim, "Hey... that was pretty good!" The 100 got so drat good too. It was way too good for network tv.
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The last seasons of The 100 were just so weird though. Especially the last season.
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The first three episodes of this season were legitimately good.
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Trying posted:My theory is that the foreverly himbofied genetic empire periodically fucks up so badly that Mom has to murder everybody and reincarnate grandpa My theory (and it's ofc not spoilers because none of this exists in the books): The one who actually rules is the original Cleon. He wakes up from time to time, does whatever he thinks is best and then wipes their memory of that time. That's also why Daneel acts so suspicious in certain scenes because she is actually in on it and her real agenda is to help the original Cleon and keep the clones in check and make sure this whole conspiracy works. That leads to the question of "why" and my best answer is because it's obviously down to Cleon's ego (the one consistent thing). His clones ruling for all eternity isn't enough, it has to be HIM that is actually in change, the greatest and only true Cleon. Well, that's at least my theory, I'm sure the show can come up with something worse.  My only alternative theory is that Daneel is doing the memory altering for her agenda whatever that might be. It does need to be connected to the original Cleon, they certainly made an effort to include him in the first place and remind us all about him so if Daneel is behind the "memory conspiracy" it has something to do with Empire and original Cleon (typical "twist" stuff would be that the whole clone idea/setup was Daneel's plan/work and the whole memory thing is because something is going wrong).
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How does the original emperor "wake up", you mean Demerzel flashes the extra large firmware into Day's brain and he becomes Cleon 1.0? And after he finishes his job Demerzel restores Cleon 14 or whatever back? I go with the simplest explanation, Demerzel periodically deletes the unkosher memories from all three Cleons according to her cleonmanual.txt Why does this fake cyberpunk show has both emulated human personality inside a computer, also backup memory that only work inside live flesh, and also dumb personality construct at the intelligence level of askjeeve? It's so stupid. stephenthinkpad fucked around with this message at 02:37 on Aug 13, 2023 |
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DaveKap posted:I'm definitely interested in what Dusk and Dawn uncover now that they've discovered the original Cleon lived 3x longer. I read that scene as suggesting that the first Cleon had three times as many memories uploaded to the official library, rather than having lived for three times as long. AKA someone had come through and edited two thirds of everyone else's lives out. stephenthinkpad posted:Why does this fake cyberpunk show has both emulated human personality inside a computer, also backup memory that only work inside live flesh, and also dumb personality construct at the intelligence level of askjeeve? It's so stupid. It's a big universe. I figure just in the average goon's house you're gonna have DVDs and a PC and access to a streaming subscription. Now extrapolate that to the level of a dynastic empire.
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They're clones and their name is Cleon which is just the word clone very slightly rearranged
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stephenthinkpad posted:Why does this fake cyberpunk show has both emulated human personality inside a computer, also backup memory that only work inside live flesh, and also dumb personality construct at the intelligence level of askjeeve? It's so stupid. It does feel like the writers are using the far flung future setting of Foundation to justify their anything goes approach to scifi television tropes. The universe doesn't feel like it has any rules and even the ones is has tried to introduce have been immediately broken (People can't be awake for FTL travel... but Gaal can because lol! ) Whatever is going on with the tech used for Seldon's plan and the prime radiant is also confusingly advanced. Does Empire also have technology to do null fields and to store human consciousness inside of objects like the prime radiant or Seldon's crypt? Where did Seldon get that tech? The first settlers on Terminus were from Trantor and they thought that Seldon's crypt was possibly alien in origin it appeared so advanced.
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Penitent posted:It does feel like the writers are using the far flung future setting of Foundation to justify their anything goes approach to scifi television tropes. The universe doesn't feel like it has any rules and even the ones is has tried to introduce have been immediately broken (People can't be awake for FTL travel... but Gaal can because lol! ) The empire has outlawed most of the technology seldon is using iirc
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LinkesAuge posted:Well, that's at least my theory, I'm sure the show can come up with something worse.
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Penitent posted:People can't be awake for FTL travel... but Gaal can because lol! Isn't this the show forshadowing her psychic powers? Penitent posted:Where did Seldon get that tech? The first settlers on Terminus were from Trantor and they thought that Seldon's crypt was possibly alien in origin it appeared so advanced. They've had a number of characters speculate about this out loud, but occam's razor suggests that Rowena King's character gave him this stuff, e.g. like she gave him his new body. But this is meant to be a mystery rather than a plot hole or slapdash narrative or whatever. Open Source Idiom fucked around with this message at 05:38 on Aug 14, 2023 |
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It also felt like they had Gaal stay awake for that scene because some shows have to make everything from a main character's POV. Except for when a show strictly follows a single character's perspective, more shows should be willing to cut away to random people we haven't seen before when it's important to the setting
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