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Patch Notes: -**Early Access Hotfix #3** @everyone, We will be doing the hotfix #3 update starting at <t:1692025200>. When the patch starts, you will not be able to login to the game and players in-game will not be able to enter the matchmaking pool during this time. Players in a match or in-game will have 30 minutes to complete the match and exit safely. The servers will return to full service 2 hours after the start of the patch. Patch Notes: - Ironshield's functionality has been improved and several glitches have been fixed. - Fixed an issue where redstone could not be used when launched with the Chafgames launcher. - The Armor Rating curve table has been changed. Now takes more damage while naked. - The Interaction Speed curve table has been changed. Clerics can now open chests and doors slightly faster. - Casting time for all Wizard spells reduced by 0.25 seconds. - Warlock's Curse of Pain and Power of Sacrifice cast time reduced by 0.25 seconds. - Bard's Shriek of Weakness defense rating reduction rate has been slightly reduced. - Bard's Chorale of Clarity spell recovery per tick slightly reduced. - Hoard, which was accessible without clearing the boss in Inferno, has been removed. Thank you for enjoying Dark and Darker. Clerics rejoice! Wizards and warlocks too! naked rogues and barbs get hosed edit: apparently there was bard notes they forgot to include Demon Of The Fall fucked around with this message at 16:26 on Aug 14, 2023 |
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Aug 14, 2023 15:28
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Demon Of The Fall posted:**Early Access Hotfix #3** The cleric interaction speed buff was needed. It felt arbitrary and needlessly punitive to be so much slower at interacting than every other class. The armor change is interesting. Yea, probably screws over barbs with the no-chest-armor perk, but depending on how they did this I wonder if it will actually be worse for classes that tend to wear light armor. Really, just makes me wonder if I’m gonna get 1-hit by fighters and barbs more often.
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Aug 14, 2023 15:41
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I have way more fun in this game as a solo rogue than anything else, harassing groups or people way better geared than me. Chipping away with dots and throwing weapons, waiting for them to run into some other group and then either attacking during the confusion or finishing off the survivors. My most satisfying run was kiting a fighter + ranger, watching them nearly win but die against some other 2 man group they ran into while chasing me, then leading a third pair onto the survivors as they were trying to heal. Only one guy survived that encounter and I killed him. I'd like to say I extracted with the cherrypicked loot from 6 corpses but yet another group showed up and killed me. Just causing that amount of death and chaos was worth it though.
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Aug 14, 2023 15:45
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Ruggan posted:The armor change is interesting. Yea, probably screws over barbs with the no-chest-armor perk, but depending on how they did this I wonder if it will actually be worse for classes that tend to wear light armor. Really, just makes me wonder if I’m gonna get 1-hit by fighters and barbs more often.
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Aug 14, 2023 16:10
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have they given any additional mention to the refund/monetization change for unlocking classes?Demon Of The Fall posted:- The Interaction Speed curve table has been changed. Clerics can now open chests and doors slightly faster. thank god
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Aug 14, 2023 16:31
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whatever the new AR curve winds up being, this was the old one: It's probably not very different though outside of very low AR. Noteworthy that defense scales quite badly from 50 -> 100 AR, and then between 150 -> 250 you get super good gains, so there's kind of a deadzone.
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Aug 14, 2023 17:18
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Me last week when this released: No way am I buying this until it’s out on a platform I recognize Me Saturday: Ehhhh gently caress it, life’s too short Me playing the game: My lives are too short, I suck at this game. Is there a good newbie guide somewhere? I’ve just been throwing myself into the Goblin Caves as various classes. I think my most successful run so far is a Cleric who killed four goblins before dying to a skull bat thing.
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Aug 14, 2023 19:16
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it will take a while to learn monster attack patterns, maps, etc. all I can advise is there is no loss when you die, just jump right back in and you'll get better eventually try some games in crypts. sometimes you'll get steamrolled by a 3 man team, but sometimes you won't see a soul and can fill your bags and get out easier than goblin caves
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Aug 14, 2023 19:37
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The Howling Crypts (the main map) is a lot harder than when a lot of us first started playing - they made it darker (still a dumb change in my opinion), added new attacks to the already existing mobs, and added a bunch of new skeleton types all of which were more dangerous than the existing ones. There are a bunch of guides on youtube on how best so survive the various maps starting from nothing. One tip I'd share is when trying to avoid a mob attack turn around and run a bit because backpedaling is slower and you still might get whacked.
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Aug 14, 2023 19:41
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A Real Horse posted:Me last week when this released: No way am I buying this until it’s out on a platform I recognize bait their attack, evade the attack, then hit them in between their attacks use strafe instead of the back key to evade with a shield you can block ranged attacks by looking up to block your head, which they seem to always shoot for cleric is definitely the best newbie class since the massive amount of heals give you tons of margin of error to learn the pve
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Aug 14, 2023 19:51
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Can you still play solo rogue and just be a nasty little loot goblin, avoiding everything? They had double jump last playtest but I haven't kept up with any changes
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Aug 14, 2023 19:58
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Concurred posted:Can you still play solo rogue and just be a nasty little loot goblin, avoiding everything? They had double jump last playtest but I haven't kept up with any changes yes, from level 1 you can get lockpicking and basically avoid all fights and go around the map looting the best chests
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Aug 14, 2023 20:00
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Concurred posted:Can you still play solo rogue and just be a nasty little loot goblin, avoiding everything? They had double jump last playtest but I haven't kept up with any changes Yes but they just nerfed going in naked which was the meta to go faster. I don't know the numbers yet but you'll take significantly more damage after today's patch.
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Aug 14, 2023 20:08
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comedyblissoption posted:you have to figure out how to fight mobs without taking any damage for them Glad my instincts were correct at least, now it’s just a matter of practice. It helps to not get discouraged because I can be in a new round in less than a minute after getting killed in one.
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Aug 14, 2023 20:33
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Mister Bates posted:the main appeal of Dark and Darker to me and my friend group is that we were able to play it and have fun right out the gate despite having zero experience with it, while when we decided to try out Tarkov after the Dark and Darker demo ended it was several frustrating hours of our entire group dying instantly over and over to people we never even saw, including one round where it happened less than two minutes after spawn in a game where the normal wait between matches is 15-20 minutes. I have a secret theory that sniping is actually awful for any kind of PvP game and is only made worse in games with persistence of any kind (Rust, Tarkov). Sniping feels incredible when you do it, but it creates an environment where you can't even fight back against the person who is attacking you and can feel extremely arbitrary until you have a lot of gameskill in a particular game, which usually just translates into memorizing which parts of the map are deathtraps and where you should crouch and hide and so-on. You'll note that it's pretty much only people who are really good at solo-sniping that defend that kind of gameplay. DaD created an artificial construct in which sniping is basically impossible except in extremely telegraphed areas. Forced close quarters is an excellent idea for this kind of game.
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Aug 14, 2023 20:42
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A Real Horse posted:Glad my instincts were correct at least, now it’s just a matter of practice. It helps to not get discouraged because I can be in a new round in less than a minute after getting killed in one. once you do start to extract on a class, imo it's very very worth it to start stockpiling gray weapons from the vendor of the type you like so that when you die again, you can at least go in with a decent weapon which is a huge way to speed up progression (less hits to kill pve means you can focus on learning rooms and clearing them and being less caught in a pve fight by other players) e.g. on my fighter and warlock, each has a stash of ~8-10 gray 34 damage falchions which were each 8g from the weaponsmith (when they're available, anyway, the shop contents rotate) so if I manage to get out with even just 40g on a run, that buys me 5 more far better than starting weapons (34 damage vs 22-23, essentially 50% more damage per hit) plus the extremely common occurrence of upgrading that anyway in the dungeon for the next run same for other classes, though certain gray weapons are still expensive (looking at the 19g 33 damage gray spears)
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Aug 14, 2023 20:46
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Seems like the current rich person meta is to stack a shitton of armor to become near unkillable (75% phys reduction or higher). So what’s the effective counter to that, some magic damage dealing class? Seems hard to stack effective MR, so to compete with those teams you might need magic damage. Of course that only applies against super try hard teams. Standard comps seem good otherwise.
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Aug 15, 2023 00:19
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A Bard could lower their armor rating by 40 playing Shriek of Weakness perfectly.
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Aug 15, 2023 01:08
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Ruggan posted:Seems like the current rich person meta is to stack a shitton of armor to become near unkillable (75% phys reduction or higher). So what’s the effective counter to that, some magic damage dealing class? Seems hard to stack effective MR, so to compete with those teams you might need magic damage.
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Aug 15, 2023 01:40
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That's how I would get most of my kills as a rogue. I'd stack the bleeds and poisons up and kite em around. Just constantly poking at them, making sure the dots were up and that they were getting super frustrated. Some of the kills would take forever.
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Aug 15, 2023 02:31
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If you get lots of +magic damage on your gear, the poison does damage really fast. even after the scaling got nerfed.
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Aug 15, 2023 06:05
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Guys, guys, the answer is right there staring you in the face: Crystal sword melee wizard.
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Aug 15, 2023 09:37
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Ruggan posted:Seems like the current rich person meta is to stack a shitton of armor to become near unkillable (75% phys reduction or higher). So what’s the effective counter to that, some magic damage dealing class? Seems hard to stack effective MR, so to compete with those teams you might need magic damage. Magic or reckless attack on barb. There's a high-end pvp barb in the official discord and once he was kitted and started focusing solely on pvp he swapped from Achilles Strike to Reckless Attack because otherwise fighters become unkillable. https://twitter.com/ForceStrategy/status/1688965593838325765?s=20 The fourth screenshot is straight up the circular room with the skeleton champion and wraith in it. Groovelord Neato fucked around with this message at 13:17 on Aug 15, 2023 |
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Aug 15, 2023 12:51
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That is probably Nexon going after Dark and Dark. "The Fool's Studio"? "Greed is Good"? It's just using the maps and assets from the game? Come on.
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Aug 15, 2023 14:30
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I'd more expect it to be some random opportunists looking to make a buck.
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Aug 15, 2023 15:45
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It's probably just someone who saw the potential of copying the game almost a year ago. It looks early. Or it could be Nexon launching P3, who knows, but the anims/models look way too scuffed for that.
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Aug 15, 2023 15:59
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Akumos posted:It's probably just someone who saw the potential of copying the game almost a year ago. It looks early. Or it could be Nexon launching P3, who knows, but the anims/models look way too scuffed for that. I feel the active development/ responsiveness/passion of this dev team does more than blindly copying unreal marketplace assets.
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Aug 15, 2023 16:04
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milkman dad posted:I feel the active development/ responsiveness/passion of this dev team does more than blindly copying unreal marketplace assets. didn't they like steal it from nexon or something though?
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Aug 15, 2023 16:07
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great question. let's have a pages long argument about it where people's minds will definitely be changed one way or another
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Aug 15, 2023 17:17
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Dark and darker is basically an asset flip as it is. Not sure why this is surprising. Most of dark and darker's models/etc are just from an asset store/library.
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Aug 15, 2023 20:39
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I just thought the name of the studio and game were significant. Almost seems like picking fun.
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Aug 15, 2023 20:40
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Would Nexon just put a claim against the game - seeing IRONMACE's legal troubles and working on your own virtually direct clone so you can be on Steam while they can't would be a strange loophole.
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Aug 15, 2023 20:45
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Still like the game, but as gear saturation grows, I'm getting a little frustrated with the inconsistent outcomes. It seems half the time my crew is victorious or gets outplayed, and the other half the time we run into a turbo geared party that our grey/white scavenged kits never stood a chance against. I find goblin caves a lot more satisfying, mostly because I'm seeing most people in poverty kits and I feel a lot better about dying, killing vs. getting out. I'm not asking for ELO, but maybe gear cap limits would make me feel better. Or maybe if I just got gud.
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Aug 15, 2023 21:10
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The inconsistency is the point, extraction shooters tickle the exact same parts of your brain that slot machines do. There is no deliberate design element around half the poo poo in any of these games, but with dakka dakka it's slow enough and filled with enough deadly trash that ganks happen way more often.
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Aug 15, 2023 21:47
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DisgracelandUSA posted:Still like the game, but as gear saturation grows, I'm getting a little frustrated with the inconsistent outcomes. It seems half the time my crew is victorious or gets outplayed, and the other half the time we run into a turbo geared party that our grey/white scavenged kits never stood a chance against. Right. I think this is the big question - how do they give enough progression to satisfy the no-lifers without making the game entirely unfun for casuals? In their favor they have: - the extreme brutality of the game, which is important to prevent too much gear saturation - the challenge in recovering looted gear, because the more gear the game can naturally reclaim the better - the limited stash space, to prevent people from building up huge hordes of limitless gear - the low drop rate of great gear, to make actually good loot hard to replace However, there are a few features that are working against them: - the trade system, which lets people acquire and transfer/mule great gear without risk - the big chasm between how strong someone with and without great gear is My favorite parts of the game are what you described: GC runs where everyone has poverty loadouts, and group crypt runs where you only run into reasonably geared teams. Running into a meta comp of people wearing all blues+ is just not a good time unless you’re equally geared. Preserving the magic feeling is going to be a challenge. Hope they figure it out though.
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Aug 16, 2023 01:43
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Ruggan posted:My favorite parts of the game are what you described: GC runs where everyone has poverty loadouts, and group crypt runs where you only run into reasonably geared teams. Running into a meta comp of people wearing all blues+ is just not a good time unless you’re equally geared. Preserving the magic feeling is going to be a challenge. Hope they figure it out though. Yeah, this is about it, with good analysis above.
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Aug 16, 2023 02:19
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This game isn't going to be well made, its just going to be the first extraction shooter in this genre. I don't expect there to be much consideration into balance or anything beyond mindless wipes (looking at your tarkov). Whoever comes into the space next might actually do it well.
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Aug 16, 2023 05:13
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Our group got rolled all night by teams in full blues and purples, feels bad
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Aug 16, 2023 06:48
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The problem right now is people who are doing hell are coming through the regular dungeon with blue and purple gear and stomping everyone else in the grey to green gear. At least if you could find a blue or purple weapon, you'd have a chance. I dunno if they need to do some sort of gear score limit or what.
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