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Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

All of my education was paid for but I’m not particularly good with money or smart in a general sense.

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In Training
Jun 28, 2008

HallelujahLee posted:

this is some mentally ill posting

I've decided it's a bit. Boring troll. Ban his rear end.

HallelujahLee
May 3, 2009

In Training posted:

I've decided it's a bit. Boring troll. Ban his rear end.

probably but it comes off as very probable dnd so who knows

biceps crimes
Apr 12, 2008


here to read the homegrown syq

Nieuw Amsterdam
Dec 1, 2006

Dignité. Toujours, dignité.

HallelujahLee posted:

i like the made up numbers to 200 million employed according to my rear end

There’s a shitload of data on the economy around, but keep basing your politics on the vibe that tells you America is akin to Japan in 1946 with 90% unemployment and people picking corn out of horse poo poo to eat.

(Democrats fault because they didn’t implement full Norwegian Democratic Socialism in 2021).

spacemang_spliff
Nov 29, 2014

wide pickle

Nieuw Amsterdam posted:

What I have learned from you all is that the solution is a check for $2000 issued three years ago and wiping your personal loans for Oberlin (which your dad forced you to attend at gunpoint).


We found Ben Shapiro's account

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011

HallelujahLee posted:

this is some mentally ill posting

we're in cspam it's all mentally ill posting

HallelujahLee
May 3, 2009

Arivia posted:

we're in cspam it's all mentally ill posting

fair point

Nieuw Amsterdam
Dec 1, 2006

Dignité. Toujours, dignité.

Arivia posted:

we're in cspam it's all mentally ill posting

:magemage:

AxGrap
Jan 11, 2005

☝☯ Ŧ𝓤𝒸Ҝ 𝓨𝕠𝔲! 🐼👽

Nieuw Amsterdam posted:

You have food loans from private lenders at 8%? poo poo, stop going to Wegmans!

Around 60% of Americans didn’t go to college.

Going out on a limb to suggest at least three (and possibly more) of those (checks notes) 200 million people were able to find gainful employment where they can buy food.

Look, pick a lane. Either a college degree is a bullshit credential where even PhD scientists are all actually bumbling morons in the real world who don’t understand basic finance OR it’s an essential credential that should be free since everyone needs it and it benefits society.

I'm gonna pick the lane where student loans are predatory and also people should be materially helped out of crushing debt from those loans.

quote:

Typical earnings for bachelor’s degree holders are $36,000 or 84 percent higher than those whose highest degree is a high school diploma.

Woah that's crazy, higher paying jobs require a college degree woah hearing this for the first time.

You don't really have to dig in your heels this much. It's materially better to have Biden in office than trump, but his administration sucks, and is half stepping every move he could make, and stymies any meaningful change that might make people expect future action from the govt.

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer

biceps crimes posted:

here to read the homegrown syq

What is the root of the term "syq?"

World War Mammories
Aug 25, 2006


Ham Equity posted:

What is the root of the term "syq?"

it stands for "source your quote" op

HallelujahLee
May 3, 2009

AxGrap posted:

You don't really have to dig in your heels this much. It's materially better to have Biden in office than trump, but his administration sucks, and is half stepping every move he could make, and stymies any meaningful change that might make people expect future action from the govt.

this is being too charitable being better than a trump admin is a such a low bar its almost invisible and in many ways this admin is just as garbage on certain policies

biceps crimes
Apr 12, 2008


Ham Equity posted:

What is the root of the term "syq?"

here you go op: https://forums.somethingawful.com/dictionary.php?act=3&topicid=2695

Bald Stalin
Jul 11, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 4 hours!

Nieuw Amsterdam posted:

I refuse to have a negative attitude.

Nice meltdown

Nieuw Amsterdam
Dec 1, 2006

Dignité. Toujours, dignité.

AxGrap posted:

I'm gonna pick the lane where student loans are predatory and also people should be materially helped out of crushing debt from those loans.

Woah that's crazy, higher paying jobs require a college degree woah hearing this for the first time.

You don't really have to dig in your heels this much. It's materially better to have Biden in office than trump, but his administration sucks, and is half stepping every move he could make, and stymies any meaningful change that might make people expect future action from the govt.

This actually sounds like something posted by a sane person, thank you.

I’m all for 100% forgiveness, it doesn’t hurt me at all.

But sitting around complaining about “why ain’t it happening” when the Supreme Court 6-3’d it out of existence after magically granting standing to challengers that never existed before suggests a certain detachment from actual political conditions.

President Bernie or President AOC or President Cornel West would have had exactly the same outcome in court.

Look, it’s CSPAM. Posters are gonna be several standard deviations off the political center. I expect that.

cat botherer
Jan 6, 2022

I am interested in most phases of data processing.

Nieuw Amsterdam posted:

Sir, can you point out which officer of the Department of Education forced you at gun point to go to college?

I know what’s coming, guys could you PLEASE be inventive in your excuses why you had to go to expensive schools instead of:

-community college

-apprenticing a trade

-becoming a cook

-using free online resources to learn a skill

-using a public library since credentials are bullshit

-engaging in (non military)public service for loan forgiveness

-just not going to college because you don’t want to participate in the workforce with that credential because it’s bullshit.

…and you want a real alternative yada yada and how Reagan and Neoliberalism destroyed public education since 1980 and if you only lived in Europe (meaning FRANCE not Montenegro or Bulgaria) you would go for free.
A lot of people complain when posters make giant walls of texts without splitting it into paragraphs. Your posts, however, show that it is indeed possible to go too far in the other direction.

Nieuw Amsterdam
Dec 1, 2006

Dignité. Toujours, dignité.

cat botherer posted:

A lot of people complain when posters make giant walls of texts without splitting it into paragraphs. Your posts, however, show that it is indeed possible to go too far in the other direction.

Thanks

For

The

Feedback

Buddy

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Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3
Nov 15, 2003

Shame Boy posted:

I had enough money to pay down my student loans during forbearance or save/invest but I did neither and instead I blew it on frivolous bullshit, do I win the thread

due to inflation the frivolous bullshit cost marginally less then so yes

Lordshmee
Nov 23, 2007

I hate you, Milkman Dan

HallelujahLee posted:

probably but it comes off as very probable dnd so who knows

1.a.420.69: Nonsequitur shitposting. User loses posting privileges for 6 hours.

Egg Moron
Jul 21, 2003

the dreams of the delighting void

Nieuw Amsterdam posted:

There’s a shitload of data on the economy around,

Data can tell you anything

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011

Egg Moron posted:

Data can tell you anything

except how to love

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

Nieuw Amsterdam posted:

President Bernie or President AOC or President Cornel West would have had exactly the same outcome in court.

Maybe one of them would have forgiven the loans immediately rather than delaying it in order to add means testing, giving Republicans time to mount a legal challenge and get an injunction to prevent forgiveness from happening, making it easier to overturn since it's just preventing something rather than doing a clawback.

Or Dems could have passed a law to forgive the debt when they controlled all of congress, taking it out of scotus's hands completely.

AxGrap
Jan 11, 2005

☝☯ Ŧ𝓤𝒸Ҝ 𝓨𝕠𝔲! 🐼👽
Political conditions are fake. Turns out if you have political power you can just use it. Also, always bully the president.

The Demilich
Apr 9, 2020

The First Rites of Men Were Mortuary, the First Altars Tombs.



lol at anyone who legitimately supports Biden.

Uh yes I support my dementia ridden racist child sniffer who couldn't even raise his own kids to be decent human beings! Let me tell you how my corpo whore of a political figure isn't at all a gaping piece of poo poo who has spent his life finger loving anyone he could for a few extra bucks. Don't ask don't tell me that repealing Glass-Steagall was a bad idea! :dabs:
#delawarepride!

HallelujahLee
May 3, 2009

VitalSigns posted:

Maybe one of them would have forgiven the loans immediately rather than delaying it in order to add means testing, giving Republicans time to mount a legal challenge and get an injunction to prevent forgiveness from happening, making it easier to overturn since it's just preventing something rather than doing a clawback.

Or Dems could have passed a law to forgive the debt when they controlled all of congress, taking it out of scotus's hands completely.

russian disinformation

HAIL eSATA-n
Apr 7, 2007


voting for people that propose things

spacemang_spliff
Nov 29, 2014

wide pickle

Nieuw Amsterdam posted:

This actually sounds like something posted by a sane person, thank you.

I’m all for 100% forgiveness, it doesn’t hurt me at all.

But sitting around complaining about “why ain’t it happening” when the Supreme Court 6-3’d it out of existence after magically granting standing to challengers that never existed before suggests a certain detachment from actual political conditions.

President Bernie or President AOC or President Cornel West would have had exactly the same outcome in court.

Look, it’s CSPAM. Posters are gonna be several standard deviations off the political center. I expect that.

Scrotus didn't force the Democrats to give up forbearance extensions to raise the debt ceiling, that was something they were willing to sacrifice

So yeah "why isn't forbearance happening" is something that Biden can be blamed for

Nieuw Amsterdam
Dec 1, 2006

Dignité. Toujours, dignité.

VitalSigns posted:

Maybe one of them would have forgiven the loans immediately rather than delaying it in order to add means testing, giving Republicans time to mount a legal challenge and get an injunction to prevent forgiveness from happening, making it easier to overturn since it's just preventing something rather than doing a clawback.

Or Dems could have passed a law to forgive the debt when they controlled all of congress, taking it out of scotus's hands completely.

1. Maybe, but there would still be a court challenge, so same outcome. Also how do you get the entire Dem coalition onboard without some concessions to moderates?

2. Manchin and Sinema still exist, what does Bernie do to persuade them to abolish the filibuster and let this happen that Biden can’t or won’t do? Both of them are notorious shitheads who are clearly GOP agents and would never do anything to help a regular person, ever.

I suppose in a thought experiment Bernie sweeps into office with 60 Democratic Senators and +50 in the house (all of them like AOC and Sherrod Brown) and then sure yeah no problem. But that’s a fantasy.

That was not the outcome in 2020 or 2022.

Nieuw Amsterdam
Dec 1, 2006

Dignité. Toujours, dignité.

spacemang_spliff posted:

Scrotus didn't force the Democrats to give up forbearance extensions to raise the debt ceiling, that was something they were willing to sacrifice

So yeah "why isn't forbearance happening" is something that Biden can be blamed for

Legit complaint based on political reality, are you sure you are posting in the right thread?

Are you willing to default to keep forebearance in? That was the real situation.

F_Shit_Fitzgerald
Feb 2, 2017



There's always someone. If it wasn't the SCROTUS standing in the way, it'd be Manchin/Sinema. If it weren't Manchin/Sinema, it'd be Tim Kaine or some other poo poo-for-brains "moderate". Or the GOP, despite the Democrats having a majority in the Senate. The democrats don't care enough about this issue to do anything about it because they can fundraise off of the prospect that they'll take form a committee to seriously think about maybe canceling debts if they get the White House (and n+2 democratic Senators).

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

Biden already was going to end it. he tricked the gop into thinking he cared iirc

my bony fealty
Oct 1, 2008

Nieuw Amsterdam posted:

1. Maybe, but there would still be a court challenge, so same outcome. Also how do you get the entire Dem coalition onboard without some concessions to moderates?

2. Manchin and Sinema still exist, what does Bernie do to persuade them to abolish the filibuster and let this happen that Biden can’t or won’t do? Both of them are notorious shitheads who are clearly GOP agents and would never do anything to help a regular person, ever.

I suppose in a thought experiment Bernie sweeps into office with 60 Democratic Senators and +50 in the house (all of them like AOC and Sherrod Brown) and then sure yeah no problem. But that’s a fantasy.

That was not the outcome in 2020 or 2022.

You're coming close to getting it! Keep going!

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer

Nieuw Amsterdam posted:

1. Maybe, but there would still be a court challenge, so same outcome. Also how do you get the entire Dem coalition onboard without some concessions to moderates?

2. Manchin and Sinema still exist, what does Bernie do to persuade them to abolish the filibuster and let this happen that Biden can’t or won’t do? Both of them are notorious shitheads who are clearly GOP agents and would never do anything to help a regular person, ever.

I suppose in a thought experiment Bernie sweeps into office with 60 Democratic Senators and +50 in the house (all of them like AOC and Sherrod Brown) and then sure yeah no problem. But that’s a fantasy.

That was not the outcome in 2020 or 2022.

It's so weird how there's always a designated villain or two that stops Democrats from passing any progressive legislation, yet the Republicans rarely have that problem.

So strange.

spacemang_spliff
Nov 29, 2014

wide pickle
lmao

The Democrats cannot fail they can only be failed, of course

tokin opposition
Apr 8, 2021

I don't jailbreak the androids, I set them free.

WATCH MARS EXPRESS (2023)
keep going

spacemang_spliff
Nov 29, 2014

wide pickle

Nieuw Amsterdam posted:

Legit complaint based on political reality, are you sure you are posting in the right thread?

Are you willing to default to keep forebearance in? That was the real situation.

You really think the Republicans and manchin were going to crater the economy over loan forbearance?

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

HallelujahLee posted:

probably but it comes off as very probable dnd so who knows

they've been at it since 2021. long game

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

Nieuw Amsterdam posted:

1. Maybe, but there would still be a court challenge, so same outcome. Also how do you get the entire Dem coalition onboard without some concessions to moderates?

2. Manchin and Sinema still exist, what does Bernie do to persuade them to abolish the filibuster and let this happen that Biden can’t or won’t do? Both of them are notorious shitheads who are clearly GOP agents and would never do anything to help a regular person, ever.

I suppose in a thought experiment Bernie sweeps into office with 60 Democratic Senators and +50 in the house (all of them like AOC and Sherrod Brown) and then sure yeah no problem. But that’s a fantasy.

That was not the outcome in 2020 or 2022.

1. We can't know the outcome of something that didn't happen. Clawing back debt after everyone was debt free for a year is a bigger can of worms than preventing forgiveness from happening. Ripping away stuff that people already have is hard, see ACA. You claimed to know for certain the outcome would be the same, you can't know that.

2. Yes Democrats can't forgive the loans no matter what they say, because the Democratic Party has no principles or standards and are happy to have wreckers in their party who oppose and defeat good policy, you are 100% correct :) wait what are you trying to prove again?

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gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Nieuw Amsterdam posted:

“Politics is keyfabe bullshit, I vote based who delivers me the fattest checks”

What’s the difference between you and a hedge fund billionaire, he votes the same way.

there is obviously a difference between a politician that gives out fat checks to workers, as opposed to a politician that gives out fat checks to billionaires

indeed, if one's sole metric in choosing between which politician to support would be "who gives me, a worker, more money", this would almost certainly lead one down entirely different politicians relative to those who give out money to billionaires

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