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Snowglobe of Doom: Mar 30, 2012; sucks to be right

Pingui posted:

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�Data continues to be tracked for that program and is available upon request,� the spokesman wrote in an email Monday.

Hey Pillowpants you should email them and request the data, if only to see whether they'll actually release it to you

# ? Aug 17, 2023 15:06

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# ? May 23, 2024 05:42

Buffer: May 6, 2007; I sometimes turn down sex and blowjobs from my girlfriend because I'm too busy posting in D&D. PS: She used my credit card to pay for this.

I seem to remember the medical profession arguing with physics over fluid dynamics in order to not label covid airborne. It was not a good look.

Did my brain truncate something real - does anyone still have any of the droplet v. aerosol stuff?

# ? Aug 17, 2023 15:12

NeonPunk: Dec 21, 2020

Buffer posted:

I seem to remember the medical profession arguing with physics over fluid dynamics in order to not label covid airborne. It was not a good look.

The medical professionals were right. We needed a randomized controlled trials in order to justify anything before we do it.

Like physics is all based off numbers and math which doesn't even exist in real life! It's madness to believe in something that's just all in our head.

Like how do they even come up with the max load for bridges? By calculating from the materials in the construction and the design? Please. They should just build one then drive heavier and heavier trucks until it collapse then we can just rebuild it and place what we now know is the max load.

# ? Aug 17, 2023 15:26

tuyop: Sep 15, 2006; Every second that we're not growing BASIL is a second wasted; Fun Shoe

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:

You should make your decisions based on a personal risk assessment. Also we have removed all data you might use to make a personal risk assessment.

this is perfectly sane and good. maybe you just need therapy

# ? Aug 17, 2023 15:28

Tzen: Sep 11, 2001

Pingui posted:

https://journalstar.com/news/local/...e66008a988.html posted:
Nebraska removes wastewater data as COVID cases start to rise

lmao jfc but especially this line

"Nebraska has successfully phased out many of the measures put into place during the emergency."

successfully phased out lmaooo

Tzen has issued a correction as of 15:34 on Aug 17, 2023

# ? Aug 17, 2023 15:31

StratGoatCom: Aug 6, 2019; Our security is guaranteed by being able to melt the eyeballs of any other forum's denizens at 15 minutes notice

ibid posted:

https://twitter.com/Kenneth33071904/status/1691967375942574559

I don't think it would be that gauche, but there will be various easily obfuscated filtering solutions and the like.

There's also been a faction of the money quietly panicked about letting long covid eat up their reserve army of labor too for a while, as can be seen by a number of the PASC articles going about, and the rate of such seems to be going up.

StratGoatCom has issued a correction as of 15:33 on Aug 17, 2023

# ? Aug 17, 2023 15:31

Poppers: Jan 21, 2023

Buffer posted:

I seem to remember the medical profession arguing with physics over fluid dynamics in order to not label covid airborne. It was not a good look.

Did my brain truncate something real - does anyone still have any of the droplet v. aerosol stuff?

Droplet vs airborne is a real distinction in medical practice lol but in reality covid positive cases have been treated as airborne for the entirety of the pandemic

# ? Aug 17, 2023 15:34

Poppers: Jan 21, 2023

The failure to solve Navier Stokes is one of the great failures of modern physics btw

# ? Aug 17, 2023 15:35

Pingui: Jun 4, 2006; WTF?

Nothing new to regulars here, but I always enjoy NYT pieces nervously tugging their collar:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/17/well/live/covid-reinfection.html posted:

How Bad Is a Second (or Third or Fourth) Case of Covid?
Reinfections are becoming more common. Experts are still unsure about how damaging they can be.

Doctors and scientists who study Covid-19 agree that for most people, getting infected for a second � or third or fourth � time is basically inevitable. The longer the virus sticks around, the more common repeat infections have and will become, especially in light of the summer uptick and a new dominant variant.

There is no risk-free Covid infection. But researchers are trying to untangle just how damaging repeated infections might be � whether symptoms tend to become more or less severe from one bout to the next, and whether one�s risk of developing long Covid increases after multiple illnesses.

The severity of repeat infections
For many people who get Covid multiple times, subsequent infections will be as mild as or milder than their first, emerging data shows, likely because of partial immunity from previous infections, vaccination and the fact that the latest circulating variants generally cause less severe symptoms. There are a few exceptions � notably, among some people who are immunocompromised, older or had particularly severe previous infections. People who had a severe first infection are more likely to end up hospitalized or to require medical attention for a reinfection, said Emily Hadley, a research data scientist at RTI International who studies long Covid.

Reinfection and long Covid
The chances you will get long Covid from a reinfection are fairly unpredictable � several experts interviewed for this story used the metaphor of Russian roulette. The milder your symptoms, the less likely you are to get long Covid, said Dr. Peter Chin-Hong, an infectious disease specialist at the University of California, San Francisco. But every time you get infected, no matter the severity, there is always a chance that you can develop longer-term symptoms.
(..)
Reinfection can worsen symptoms in people who already have long Covid, said Dr. Chin-Hong. Other people with long Covid may not see a change in their symptoms.

OK, so now what?
It�s easy to feel a sense of fatalism about reinfection, said Dr. Davey Smith, an infectious disease specialist at the University of California, San Diego. But he stressed that you can reduce your risk with common-sense measures like eating dinner outside while the weather�s warm and not hanging out with friends when they�re feeling sick.
(..)
Dr. Chin-Hong said that he walks around with a mask in his pocket, but wouldn�t pull out of a trip or avoid hugging a friend he ran into out of concerns about the virus. �I just do the best that I can,� he said. �But I�m not fearful.�

Archived link: https://archive.li/RrGKy

# ? Aug 17, 2023 15:37

Phigs: Jan 23, 2019

NeonPunk posted:

Like how do they even come up with the max load for bridges? By calculating from the materials in the construction and the design? Please. They should just build one then drive heavier and heavier trucks until it collapse then we can just rebuild it and place what we now know is the max load.

That's how I solve bridge builder video games so I don't see why not.

# ? Aug 17, 2023 15:38

bvj191jgl7bBsqF5m: Apr 16, 2017; IÍÌÌ° ÍÌ¯ÌÌ«Ì¹Ì¯Ì¤AÒmÍÌºÌ© ÍÌ¬AÌ¡Ì®ÌÌ ÍÍÌ±Ì« KÌ¶eÍgÍ.ÌÌ»Ì±ÌªÍÌ¹Ì

My friend has tested positive consistently since Tuesday afternoon so I'm gonna go smooch him on the face and mouth

# ? Aug 17, 2023 15:39

Poppers: Jan 21, 2023

bvj191jgl7bBsqF5m posted:

My friend has tested positive consistently since Tuesday afternoon so I'm gonna go smooch him on the face and mouth

Don�t forget to wear a respirator lol

# ? Aug 17, 2023 15:40

Pingui: Jun 4, 2006; WTF?

Poppers posted:

Droplet vs airborne is a real distinction in medical practice lol but in reality covid positive cases have been treated as airborne for the entirety of the pandemic

That is not true. The whole 6 feet of bullshit is premised on droplets, as were the flying is safe, "masks are bad" etc.

# ? Aug 17, 2023 15:41

Poppers: Jan 21, 2023

Don�t forget to bring a towel <- one weird trick that covid hates

# ? Aug 17, 2023 15:42

Bruce Hussein Daddy: Dec 26, 2005; I testify that there is none worthy of worship except God and I testify that Muhammad is the Messenger of God

Pingui posted:

Nothing new to regulars here, but I always enjoy NYT pieces nervously tugging their collar:

Archived link: https://archive.li/RrGKy

This can't be true. I've been told many times that everyone now has immunity from vaccinations and previous exposure.

# ? Aug 17, 2023 15:42

bvj191jgl7bBsqF5m: Apr 16, 2017; IÍÌÌ° ÍÌ¯ÌÌ«Ì¹Ì¯Ì¤AÒmÍÌºÌ© ÍÌ¬AÌ¡Ì®ÌÌ ÍÍÌ±Ì« KÌ¶eÍgÍ.ÌÌ»Ì±ÌªÍÌ¹Ì

Poppers posted:

Don�t forget to wear a respirator lol

unsure of a better way to administer poppers tbh

# ? Aug 17, 2023 15:42

Poppers: Jan 21, 2023

Pingui posted:

That is not true. The whole 6 feet of bullshit is premised on droplets, as were the flying is safe, "masks are bad" etc.

Covid positive as in a hospital where people get placed in negative pressure if possible and all staff wears respirators. Doctors can�t exactly control the state response if they aren�t the CEO of Delta Airlines

# ? Aug 17, 2023 15:43

Buffer: May 6, 2007; I sometimes turn down sex and blowjobs from my girlfriend because I'm too busy posting in D&D. PS: She used my credit card to pay for this.

Poppers posted:

Droplet vs airborne is a real distinction in medical practice lol but in reality covid positive cases have been treated as airborne for the entirety of the pandemic

I remember digging into this, specifically and finding it was basically a game of telephone from the Kellogg era that had welded itself into the profession like "black people don't feel the same level of pain" had.

I was lazily wondering if anyone else still has all that spun up. We stopped talking about it as much once the WHO acknowledged it was airborne.

# ? Aug 17, 2023 15:45

Poppers: Jan 21, 2023

Buffer posted:

I remember digging into this, specifically and finding it was basically a game of telephone from the Kellogg era that had welded itself into the profession like "black people don't feel the same level of pain" had.

I was lazily wondering if anyone else still has all that spun up. We stopped talking about it as much once the WHO acknowledged it was airborne.

It�s fake in the sense that there isn�t categorical difference between what spreads effectively in the smallest respiratory particles but it�s a practical distinction that has generally worked well for limiting the spread of more common respiratory pathogens to staff. Like TB and influenza have orders of magnitude difference in how likely they are to infect you if you�re in the room with a surg mask vs a respirator

# ? Aug 17, 2023 15:50

Pingui: Jun 4, 2006; WTF?

Poppers posted:

Covid positive as in a hospital where people get placed in negative pressure if possible and all staff wears respirators. Doctors can�t exactly control the state response if they aren�t the CEO of Delta Airlines

Come on. poo poo like this has been pervasive, to the extent that handwashing is still promoted as the most important thing.
https://twitter.com/WHO/status/1243972193169616898

In the present masks have just been scrapped in healthcare systems across the world and have been cheered on by staffing. Your statement may be true for your neck of the woods, but it isn't categorically true.

Edit: There are thousands of videos like this:
https://www.tiktok.com/embed/7216490854557568298

Pingui has issued a correction as of 15:56 on Aug 17, 2023

# ? Aug 17, 2023 15:50

Pepe Silvia Browne: Jan 1, 2007

Poppers posted:

Droplet vs airborne is a real distinction in medical practice lol but in reality covid positive cases have been treated as airborne for the entirety of the pandemic

that is absolutely not true

# ? Aug 17, 2023 15:51

Lib and let die: Aug 26, 2004

no but you should definitely wash your hands plenty anyway

# ? Aug 17, 2023 15:51

Bruce Hussein Daddy: Dec 26, 2005; I testify that there is none worthy of worship except God and I testify that Muhammad is the Messenger of God

https://twitter.com/WHO/status/1217043229427761152

# ? Aug 17, 2023 15:53

NeonPunk: Dec 21, 2020

bvj191jgl7bBsqF5m posted:

My friend has tested positive consistently since Tuesday afternoon so I'm gonna go smooch him on the face and mouth

I can't tell if this is a joke or not but one complaint from folks in SAD is that this thread has been giving out bad medical advice so in that mind it's necessary to tell you that it is a bad idea to smooch someone that is currently covid positive on the face and mouth.

# ? Aug 17, 2023 15:53

Buffer: May 6, 2007; I sometimes turn down sex and blowjobs from my girlfriend because I'm too busy posting in D&D. PS: She used my credit card to pay for this.

Poppers posted:

It�s fake in the sense that there isn�t categorical difference between what spreads effectively in the smallest respiratory particles but it�s a practical distinction that has generally worked well for limiting the spread of more common respiratory pathogens to staff. Like TB and influenza have orders of magnitude difference in how likely they are to infect you if you�re in the room with a surg mask vs a respirator

This just seems like a way to try to game what absolute minimum protections to staff are. TB protocols for everything that could possibly be airborne would just cost too much.

There was a *lot* of color to that part of the discussion though and I can't really provide.

NeonPunk posted:

I can't tell if this is a joke or not but one complaint from folks in SAD is that this thread has been giving out bad medical advice so in that mind it's necessary to tell you that it is a bad idea to smooch someone that is currently covid positive on the face and mouth.

They did have a point here - you should only ever listen to your doctor(s), not goons, regardless of which forum they're on or what credentials they claim

Buffer has issued a correction as of 15:58 on Aug 17, 2023

# ? Aug 17, 2023 15:56

StratGoatCom: Aug 6, 2019; Our security is guaranteed by being able to melt the eyeballs of any other forum's denizens at 15 minutes notice

Yeah, and there;'s a number of TB wards that were elastomere crew for decades.

# ? Aug 17, 2023 15:57

Poppers: Jan 21, 2023

Buffer posted:

This just seems like a way to try to game what absolute minimum protections to staff are. TB protocols for everything that could possibly be airborne would just cost too much.

There was a *lot* of color to that part of the discussion though and I can't really provide.

They did have a point here - you should only ever listen to your doctor(s), not goons, regardless of which forum they're on or what credentials they claim

It�s definitely a cost benefit thing which is unfortunate but a real part of healthcare. Hospitals are already one of the most insane garbage generating entities in all of modern society and there is at least some conceptual merit to reducing waste

# ? Aug 17, 2023 16:00

Pablo Nergigante: Apr 16, 2002

NeonPunk posted:

I can't tell if this is a joke or not but one complaint from folks in SAD is that this thread has been giving out bad medical advice so in that mind it's necessary to tell you that it is a bad idea to smooch someone that is currently covid positive on the face and mouth.

It�s a good idea actually

# ? Aug 17, 2023 16:03

Baddog: May 12, 2001

Buffer posted:

I remember digging into this, specifically and finding it was basically a game of telephone from the Kellogg era that had welded itself into the profession like "black people don't feel the same level of pain" had.

I was lazily wondering if anyone else still has all that spun up. We stopped talking about it as much once the WHO acknowledged it was airborne.

Good paper on it.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/ina.13070

More accessible wired article.
https://www.wired.com/story/the-teeny-tiny-scientific-screwup-that-helped-covid-kill/

# ? Aug 17, 2023 16:05

NeonPunk: Dec 21, 2020

Buffer posted:

They did have a point here - you should only ever listen to your doctor(s), not goons, regardless of which forum they're on or what credentials they claim

Listen to your doctor would be a good advice if healthcare wasn't so hosed up. It's awfully privileged to say that, like does everyone have a personal doctor on their speed dial lmao

Hospitals are being shuttered across the country and it takes months to get an appointment with a doctor or a specialist

# ? Aug 17, 2023 16:06

Pepe Silvia Browne: Jan 1, 2007

you should listen to your heart

# ? Aug 17, 2023 16:06

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud: Apr 7, 2003

It's almost impossible to get a new PCP or see one on a useful timeframe in much of the US right now. Actual human doctors who track your medical history and provide proactive care are going to be a luxury for the top 10% sooner rather than later, and the rest of us will get an overworked LPN at a strip mall urgent care or a lovely chat bot kiosk that dispenses band-aids.

# ? Aug 17, 2023 16:08

StratGoatCom: Aug 6, 2019; Our security is guaranteed by being able to melt the eyeballs of any other forum's denizens at 15 minutes notice

NeonPunk posted:

Listen to your doctor would be a good advice if healthcare wasn't so hosed up. It's awfully privileged to say that, like does everyone have a personal doctor on their speed dial lmao

Hospitals are being shuttered across the country and it takes months to get an appointment with a doctor or a specialist

And, you know, if you have any sort of nonstandard anatomy/issues, like if you're trans, disabled, or trans and disabled, it's far from uncommon to know more about how your poo poo works then a standard GP.

# ? Aug 17, 2023 16:08

Pablo Nergigante: Apr 16, 2002

NeonPunk posted:

Listen to your doctor would be a good advice if healthcare wasn't so hosed up. It's awfully privileged to say that, like does everyone have a personal doctor on their speed dial lmao

Hospitals are being shuttered across the country and it takes months to get an appointment with a doctor or a specialist

You�re right. Better to listen to random strangers on the internet

# ? Aug 17, 2023 16:10

Lacrosse: Jun 16, 2010; >:V

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:

You should make your decisions based on a personal risk assessment. Also we have removed all data you might use to make a personal risk assessment.

The personal risk assessment is 'quit being a baby about catching covid and eat your Applebee's'

# ? Aug 17, 2023 16:11

Pingui: Jun 4, 2006; WTF?

Pablo Nergigante posted:

NeonPunk posted:
it is a bad idea to smooch someone that is currently covid positive on the face and mouth.

It�s a good idea actually

Pingui has issued a correction as of 16:15 on Aug 17, 2023

# ? Aug 17, 2023 16:11

Phigs: Jan 23, 2019

Buffer posted:

They did have a point here - you should only ever listen to your doctor(s), not goons, regardless of which forum they're on or what credentials they claim

This makes sense for medications. But there is no reason to believe that a random doctor will know whether or not you should wear a mask.

When goons are like "here's links to the CDC and the AMA recommending masking in public" then no, it's not better to listen to your doctor if they say don't wear a mask.

So much of the advice, and definitely the main advice that has actual support within the thread, we give in this thread isn't random poo poo pulled from our asses, it's stuff actual medical professionals recommend. Nobody is saying "I'm a doctor so do this" and in fact the last one to pull credentials got run out for being cringe as gently caress. "Don't listen to doctors" is such a false characterization of what has always been "listen to these doctors".

# ? Aug 17, 2023 16:13

Lib and let die: Aug 26, 2004

my expert medical advice, as a random internet stranger, is that you can cure all of your ills by sending me money for a gaming pc

# ? Aug 17, 2023 16:13

Snowglobe of Doom: Mar 30, 2012; sucks to be right

NeonPunk posted:

Like how do they even come up with the max load for bridges? By calculating from the materials in the construction and the design? Please. They should just build one then drive heavier and heavier trucks until it collapse then we can just rebuild it and place what we now know is the max load.

My brother works for a transportation company and had a similar problem with a newly constructed supermarket which had a ramp down to the unloading dock but they couldn't tell him what the roof clearance was, so it was unclear whether a semi trailer could actually fit down there. They actually requested he "just get one of your semis to back down there and see if it fits" and were pretty miffed when he lmaoed at that suggestion

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# ? May 23, 2024 05:42

StratGoatCom: Aug 6, 2019; Our security is guaranteed by being able to melt the eyeballs of any other forum's denizens at 15 minutes notice

Basically, keep your goddamn air intake clean, leave anything else to the doctors.

# ? Aug 17, 2023 16:14

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