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ibid posted:looks like some doctors got around to trying to help Laura Miers update: quote:I only got one vial drawn for the standard basics after the Colorectal doctor told me she was ordering “loads of labs” upon finding “immense dysfunction” and tumors, so that’s not exactly hopeful. https://nitter.net/LauraMiers/status/1693707891562184995
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# ? Aug 21, 2023 21:15 |
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# ? May 25, 2024 01:54 |
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That makes no sense then. She prescribed all my meds, so why are they having a problem now with paxlovid? The doctor signed off on it. Garbage loving gate keeping system
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# ? Aug 21, 2023 21:16 |
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not to keep posting about posting but this is 80% an apology:Rosalind posted:Nearly every post I make here is interpreted in the most bad faith way possible so welcome to the club it sucks. Forgive me/many of us for being touchy, I'm sorry, because I've seen and appreciated your other posts. To me, not to speak for others, as a leftist poster and regular/frequenter of this thread, who has watched the material reality of the pandemic play out for the last 4 years now, witnessing someone rationalize their perspective by saying Rosalind posted:Paxlovid is free federally right now (and from what I've read there will be federal programs to keep it low cost even after it's not free in the Fall which is stupid and bad but I don't think it's going to be impossible to obtain for most people still) Is, on a good-faith read, doe-eyed and naive. A law or a rule made by the biden administration and the CDC doesn't loving matter, and it never has. JZSG made this point well: JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:lol america doesn't care if you get sick and die. protect yourself, no one will help you Your personal experience of third parties being somewhat-adequately served by the more-extant relics of a crumbling society is fine. It's not representative nor is it relevant to the larger point at hand, which is the question of whether We Have The Tools, as bedpan has pointed out. Nobody said anything about stockpiling or hoarding, and use of those words in your post is exactly what starts the goon telephone (hence my post and WAIST's reply, an accurate assessment) that ends up being railed against in SAD threads. In a bad faith reading, this type of blase just the facts ma'am rules-quoting gish gallop IS often used and has been used as a concern troll, in the past and present, by idiots to do exactly what is happening right now. it derails and frankly eliminates desire for participation in the thread at all. That's the goal. silicone thrills already made this point better than I could silicone thrills posted:There was another user implying that hoarding was going to take paxlovid out of someone elses mouth. anyway just post. cherries jubilee and that's it.
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# ? Aug 21, 2023 21:17 |
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silicone thrills posted:Is it hoarding advil when i keep a bottle of it around in case I get a headache? i don't think you're saying this, but it's being misread as such. if I go into walgreens right now and grab a handful of boxes of childrens tylenol I think that would be considered hoarding because there have been shortages all over. that's assuming the Walgreens would even let you, tbh. a bit moot, because 1) there appears to be no shortage of paxlovid, and 2) the prescription / non-prescription access differences make it an entirely different situation I think
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# ? Aug 21, 2023 21:18 |
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worried about my children possibly catching covid once the school year began. primary care doctor let me know that children can't get covid and covid doesn't spread in schools. feeling very relieved. got some vitamin D and lavender oil just in case though
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# ? Aug 21, 2023 21:20 |
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hang on
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# ? Aug 21, 2023 21:22 |
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fosborb posted:i don't think you're saying this, but it's being misread as such. if I go into walgreens right now and grab a handful of boxes of childrens tylenol I think that would be considered hoarding because there have been shortages all over. that's assuming the Walgreens would even let you, tbh. a bit moot, because 1) there appears to be no shortage of paxlovid, and 2) the prescription / non-prescription access differences make it an entirely different situation I think My issue is that the US healthcare system has made doing things like that a requirement even before covid. In many states for many years the best plan of action around plan B was to get it prescribed and then just keep a box around in case you need it because like pax it has a very short window to take it and have it be effective. So calling out someone preemptively getting a box of a prescription drug that is probably less dangerous than say - tylenol - is kind of ridiculous. I also called out keeping narcan around for the same reason. It's a very time sensitive drug that was very gate kept for a long time. I've had doctors preemptively prescribe me meds before and I dont think that this is like an unusual occurance. Good doctors know that getting medications can be an absolute crapshoot.
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# ? Aug 21, 2023 21:23 |
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Healthcare in America goes by boxing rules: Protect yourself at all times. Now shake hands, gentlemen. And then please use hand sanitizer. And you may remove your mouth guards, I read on Facebook that they don't work. I'm a referee, I couldn't possibly be wrong.
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# ? Aug 21, 2023 21:23 |
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Rosalind posted:Hey good news from a discussion itt last week! Nebraska DHHS sent me their latest wastewater reports. I can share them but what's an easy way to host two pdfs that doesn't involve doxxing myself via Google Drive/Dropbox? wow! thanks for following up on that! did they not realize they were supposed to stonewall you for 2 years? not liking this challenge to my cynicism
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# ? Aug 21, 2023 21:24 |
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icantfindaname posted:Cops and doctors are one thing, the one professional group you should openly spit on if you see them in public are public health professionals. If one of them says the sky is blue, open a window and confirm for yourself Even if this is said in jest, which viewing your previous posts in the threads its not, this is akin to "don't listen to doctors." This is the sort of crap that needs to be curtailed for this threads culture to change.
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# ? Aug 21, 2023 21:25 |
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Corrigenda posted:Even if this is said in jest, which viewing your previous posts in the threads its not, this is akin to "don't listen to doctors." This is the sort of crap that needs to be curtailed for this threads culture to change. There's a reason no one in this thread wants to move it out of cspam. We want to be able to make light hearted jokes while also discussing this disease that cripples 10-20% of the people who get it.
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# ? Aug 21, 2023 21:26 |
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why is everything being taken so seriously in a shitposting thread in a shitposting forum? is it just a new thread rule that everything must be taken in the worst possible light?
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# ? Aug 21, 2023 21:27 |
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silicone thrills posted:My issue is that the US healthcare system has made doing things like that a requirement even before covid. In many states for many years the best plan of action around plan B was to get it prescribed and then just keep a box around in case you need it because like pax it has a very short window to take it and have it be effective. So calling out someone preemptively getting a box of a prescription drug that is probably less dangerous than say - tylenol - is kind of ridiculous. the gatekeeping around narcan was insane. all the trains in nyc now have city health posters that openly advocate you to get narcan to keep on you in case you know anyone using. we aren't supposed to listen to posters in this thread but....
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# ? Aug 21, 2023 21:28 |
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https://americasfrontlinedoctors.org/ finally, doctors I can trust fosborb posted:the gatekeeping around narcan was insane. all the trains in nyc now have city health posters that openly advocate you to get narcan to keep on you in case you know anyone using. we aren't supposed to listen to posters in this thread but.... My county is begging everyone to carry doses of narcan now.
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# ? Aug 21, 2023 21:28 |
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Shut down the succ thread, they're sounding pretty unhinged about Democrats.
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# ? Aug 21, 2023 21:29 |
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Corrigenda posted:Even if this is said in jest, which viewing your previous posts in the threads its not, this is akin to "don't listen to doctors." This is the sort of crap that needs to be curtailed for this threads culture to change. I'm explicitly contrasting doctors and MPH types. Doctors you should generally listen to, while understanding they are highly constrained in their powers. MPH people you should ignore. This is basically the general view of the thread as I see it. Doctors don't make recommendations about paxlovid distribution/"hoarding" they make individual prescriptions for individual people with no reference at all to society or shortages or whatever
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# ? Aug 21, 2023 21:30 |
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Indoor Dying posted:Does this mean Harik has to take the ivermectin no, it means get a second opinion if your doctor wants to give you horse dewormer. you're going to have to anyway, as the only way to get paxlovid is have it prescribed.
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# ? Aug 21, 2023 21:30 |
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lol at ibid's probation. They (Poppers, 16 BB, lald, etc.) literally have a thread where they discuss trolling and trying to get this thread shut down. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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# ? Aug 21, 2023 21:30 |
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I think, ultimately, people are just going to have to accept that this thread is going to be skeptical of medical authorities. We've seen doctors prescribing Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine and all sorts of quackery. We see doctors recommend against masking in public. We've seen doctors recommend cloth masks over n95 respirators. This whole entire pandemic is multiple levels of authority and the medical field showing its rear end. We're living through a horrifically, horrifically mismanaged pandemic. Listen to doctors is just bullshit in this climate. It's a good idea in general to listen to medical practitioners. But there needs to be a place to discuss the possibility that individual doctors are wrong. There are lines that should not be crossed, but I think we can attack those as they come. I don't think a blanket rule of trust doctors is good for the thread. If someone comes in here saying their doctor prescribed them Ivermectin for COVID are we just supposed to go "listen to your doctor"? What if their doctor says Paxlovid is unnecessary because they're fit? That's bullshit some doctors do say. If their doctor says it's bad because of meds they're taking or their condition or what have you, then absolutely they need to listen to their doctor. But if their doctor is just making straight up ignorant claims the thread should be able to point out those claims are ignorant.
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# ? Aug 21, 2023 21:32 |
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silicone thrills posted:My issue is that the US healthcare system has made doing things like that a requirement even before covid. In many states for many years the best plan of action around plan B was to get it prescribed and then just keep a box around in case you need it because like pax it has a very short window to take it and have it be effective. So calling out someone preemptively getting a box of a prescription drug that is probably less dangerous than say - tylenol - is kind of ridiculous. Paxlovid is absolutely not safer than Tylenol lol... Like yes if you intentionally take too much Tylenol it will destroy your liver but Tylenol taken at normal doses is shockingly safe.
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# ? Aug 21, 2023 21:32 |
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Corrigenda posted:Even if this is said in jest, which viewing your previous posts in the threads its not, this is akin to "don't listen to doctors." This is the sort of crap that needs to be curtailed for this threads culture to change. you could just not read it and therefore not worry a single lick about ~tHrEAd cULtuRe~, poster who's never posted in the entire subforum of CSPAM before today
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# ? Aug 21, 2023 21:32 |
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fosborb posted:no, it means get a second opinion if your doctor wants to give you horse dewormer. you're going to have to anyway, as the only way to get paxlovid is have it prescribed. sorry fosborb but I've got to report this post. you shouldn't be doctor shopping
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# ? Aug 21, 2023 21:33 |
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A friend of mine who asked for pax when he got covid had his doctor say no "because it causes rebounds" which was just patently wrong but my friend was wary of sesamecare/hidrb/etc so he just suffered through 2 weeks of misery and then also had a rebound because... wow its not pax that causes rebounds, covid just does that sometimes.
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# ? Aug 21, 2023 21:33 |
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Why Am I So Tired posted:lol at ibid's probation. They (Poppers, 16 BB, lald, etc.) literally have a thread where they discuss trolling and trying to get this thread shut down. they are gaming the system with selective hand wringing and it is enforced by mods that constantly seek the validation of everyone you mentioned in the thread you mentioned, im not going to say this thread cant be wack as all hell sometimes but the double standard in cspam is pathetic (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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# ? Aug 21, 2023 21:33 |
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calling up my concierge doc to get whatever I want and using my class position to hoover up resources which is acceptable.
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# ? Aug 21, 2023 21:34 |
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Phigs posted:I think, ultimately, people are just going to have to accept that this thread is going to be skeptical of medical authorities. We've seen doctors prescribing Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine and all sorts of quackery. We see doctors recommend against masking in public. We've seen doctors recommend cloth masks over n95 respirators. This whole entire pandemic is multiple levels of authority and the medical field showing its rear end. We're living through a horrifically, horrifically mismanaged pandemic. Listen to doctors is just bullshit in this climate. Good post
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# ? Aug 21, 2023 21:34 |
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Poppers posted:Paxlovid is absolutely not safer than Tylenol lol... Like yes if you intentionally take too much Tylenol it will destroy your liver but Tylenol taken at normal doses is shockingly safe.
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# ? Aug 21, 2023 21:35 |
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sonatinas posted:calling up my concierge doc to get whatever I want and using my class position to hoover up resources which is acceptable. Only the very poorest would be unable to use the sites in question, there's not really a class divide here
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# ? Aug 21, 2023 21:36 |
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gotta laugh at the random non-cspam poster coming in here concerned no wonder the thread does have some valid points in pointing out trolling
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# ? Aug 21, 2023 21:36 |
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mawarannahr posted:contraindications are shockingly widespread though. it's the top cause of acute liver failure in the U.S., but you know that. Yep. And it's so safe at normal doses it's still allowed to be sold over the counter. Honestly really says something.
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# ? Aug 21, 2023 21:36 |
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Bastard Tetris posted:https://americasfrontlinedoctors.org/ Thanks. Really good resource you've found here. 5 Lies of the Pandemic quote:
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# ? Aug 21, 2023 21:37 |
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Phigs posted:I think, ultimately, people are just going to have to accept that this thread is going to be skeptical of medical authorities. We've seen doctors prescribing Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine and all sorts of quackery. We see doctors recommend against masking in public. We've seen doctors recommend cloth masks over n95 respirators. This whole entire pandemic is multiple levels of authority and the medical field showing its rear end. We're living through a horrifically, horrifically mismanaged pandemic. Listen to doctors is just bullshit in this climate. yeah further posters here always hedge suggestions with "check with your doctor if you're on any other even remotely risky pharmaceutical or if you have kidney issues" it's all bad faith readings all the way down, and again, literally nothing else is the target of this level of scrutiny here.
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# ? Aug 21, 2023 21:37 |
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Thank you. I apologize for being a bit harsh in my replies as well. You know a week ago I thought this thread shouldn't exist. I no longer believe that. It's generally benign and I think most people here are posting genuinely and considerately. I came in here expecting to be driven out with pitchforks and torches but mostly people are chill. I don't subscribe to the particular sense of a doomed, crumbling society that many people in this thread do. I think the US is a big mess and awful in a million ways but I fundamentally have the naïve and doe-eyed hope that it will get better. As a queer woman and second generation immigrant living in a blue city in a blue state, I feel safer now than I did 20 years ago. I recognize I have a lot of privileges though in that regard and in terms of my employment, education, etc that insulate me from the worst of the realities of modern America. I will try to better consider this when I write my posts. Still, I am going to continue posting from my perspective as long as I am welcome to do so. I can't promise I'll never argue, but I recognize that people here mean well and we're all just trying to stay healthy in a deeply hosed up world.
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# ? Aug 21, 2023 21:41 |
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The lovely part about that America’s Frontline Doctors page was that my in-laws parroted that poo poo to me back verbatim in 2020, the amount of misinformation was insane
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# ? Aug 21, 2023 21:41 |
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tylenol really should be more regulated. no way it would get to be otc like it is and jammed into everything in the us if it wasnt old and big
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# ? Aug 21, 2023 21:43 |
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Rosalind posted:Thank you. I apologize for being a bit harsh in my replies as well. thanks. Sorry again. and honestly the knee-jerk defensive posting parry-and-riposte style that a lot of "discussions" devolve to can be a big problem. a lightly-hostile shitpost that is funny and just basic bullshit in a CSPAM Tone risks being misinterpreted as a personal attack, but around these parts it's just the style. whether that's bad, I dunno, it's just been the thing. I can see a real... trend of late where it has gotten subtly worse, however, it's because there's an obvious attempt to just troll this thread out of existence.
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# ? Aug 21, 2023 21:43 |
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Why Am I So Tired posted:lol at ibid's probation. They (Poppers, 16 BB, lald, etc.) literally have a thread where they discuss trolling and trying to get this thread shut down.
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# ? Aug 21, 2023 21:43 |
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Phigs posted:I think, ultimately, people are just going to have to accept that this thread is going to be skeptical of medical authorities. We've seen doctors prescribing Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine and all sorts of quackery. We see doctors recommend against masking in public. We've seen doctors recommend cloth masks over n95 respirators. This whole entire pandemic is multiple levels of authority and the medical field showing its rear end. We're living through a horrifically, horrifically mismanaged pandemic. Listen to doctors is just bullshit in this climate. Additionally people should try to chill with the meta commentary, I know tensions are high and people are worried about this thread getting closed but Vyk said he wanted to give it a shot to make it work and the recent reopening of the SAD thread coincided with some bad posting over the weekend. If there are concerns people can take it to SAD and discuss it there or shoot some messages privately if they’re worried about backlash there. If you think someone is trolling the thread feel free to shoot out a pm too rather than arguing about it here because a slapfight isn’t going to help impressions.
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# ? Aug 21, 2023 21:43 |
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doctors are cops
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# ? Aug 21, 2023 21:44 |
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Snip
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