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MakaVillian posted:I think the Tolan homeworld was on the UBC campus(?) Freakin' Tollans. So high and mighty. Teal'c disobeyed a direct order from Jack and from the Tollans to save their asses.
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skooma512 posted:I wanted to know how something was altering the CMB It's such a fun and interesting concept, wish they could have followed through. SGU got significantly better and more enjoyable as time went on but that first season really doomed them. Well that and Sci-Fi going through one of its many identity crises.
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redshirt posted:Freakin' Tollans. So high and mighty. Teal'c disobeyed a direct order from Jack and from the Tollans to save their asses. Every super advanced species in SG1 was pretty incompetent, except maybe the Nox.
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Apparently in one of the novels, SG-1 goes back to save them like five years later. I think it was titled "A Matter of Honor" (the episode was called A 'Matter of Time')
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MakaVillian posted:Every super advanced species in SG1 was pretty incompetent, except maybe the Nox. I mean as good as they were at hiding, I'm pretty sure at least one of the galaxy destroying things SG1 dealt with would of ended up wiping them out. Their path of peace was foolish at best!
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The Tollans are assholes but they are completely right in not getting involved. SG teams show up and immediately get involved in whichever conflict they find (or inadvertently cause). The season 4 episode 2 episode "The Other Side" really shows how silly this is when they end up nearly giving support to a genocidal group of lunatics. Meanwhile the Tollans, when encountered with anyone they (rightly) judge are technologically inferior, say "no, gently caress you, you morons. Deal with your own poo poo." They don't get involved with anyone's stupid conflicts, and become best buds with the cool hippy race.
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Revitalized posted:Apparently in one of the novels, SG-1 goes back to save them like five years later. I think it was titled "A Matter of Honor" (the episode was called A 'Matter of Time') I had no idea there were SG1 novels.
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EvilHawk posted:The Tollans are assholes but they are completely right in not getting involved. SG teams show up and immediately get involved in whichever conflict they find (or inadvertently cause). The season 4 episode 2 episode "The Other Side" really shows how silly this is when they end up nearly giving support to a genocidal group of lunatics. Meanwhile the Tollans, when encountered with anyone they (rightly) judge are technologically inferior, say "no, gently caress you, you morons. Deal with your own poo poo." They don't get involved with anyone's stupid conflicts, and become best buds with the cool hippy race. Until they get wiped out by their own snotty attitude
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If the Tollans had had any sense they would have realised the only thing standing between them and the Goa'uld was SG-1 constantly pissing off the Goa'uld, and they would have taken a policy of "better them not us" and given earth just enough tech to make them more of a pain in the rear end to the Goa'uld. They should have realised that the war they were in was a war of attrition, even if it wasn't explicitly stated. The Goa'uld believe they are gods and want to rule the entire universe. They have incredibly long lifespans, which means without SG-1 it was only a matter of time before they couldn't stand the thought of Tollans being out there and possessing power they don't have, and as an extension to that, only a matter of time until the Goa'uld found an archive of the ancients or a superweapon left behind by them or something else that gave them enough power to wipe out the Tollen and take their technology. Despite the lethargy of the Goa'uld upper class, it was only a matter of time before one of them wasn't just satisfied with the status quo. Even though it was post-Tollen, this is exactly what happened with Anubis. alexandriao fucked around with this message at 20:02 on Aug 24, 2023 |
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ChairmanMauzer posted:I had no idea there were SG1 novels. Also for Atlantis and Universe! I've only ever read like one book back in high school and I don't remember much about it. I think they kept writing occasional novels after the show ended too, but they didn't necessarily take place in chronological order.
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I haven't listened to them but BigFinish audio has audio plays set in the stargate universe with the original actors playing their role. This has Daniel and Teal'c https://www.bigfinish.com/releases/v/stargate-sg-1-series-01-2-collected-2677 full cast audio dramas are not cheap by the way. I have listened to other things by BigFinish, they do really good work. pixaal fucked around with this message at 20:35 on Aug 24, 2023 |
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alexandriao posted:If the Tollans had had any sense they would have realised the only thing standing between them and the Goa'uld was SG-1 constantly pissing off the Goa'uld, and they would have taken a policy of "better them not us" and given earth just enough tech to make them more of a pain in the rear end to the Goa'uld. Agreed. But, Earth was a pretty big pain in the rear end for the Goa'uld without Tollan tech. And I don't blame the Tollan overall for not trusting Earth (or anyone else) with their tech. They should have just been a little more savvy and strategic. Their overconfidence doomed them.
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EvilHawk posted:The Tollans are assholes but they are completely right in not getting involved. SG teams show up and immediately get involved in whichever conflict they find (or inadvertently cause). The season 4 episode 2 episode "The Other Side" really shows how silly this is when they end up nearly giving support to a genocidal group of lunatics. Meanwhile the Tollans, when encountered with anyone they (rightly) judge are technologically inferior, say "no, gently caress you, you morons. Deal with your own poo poo." They don't get involved with anyone's stupid conflicts, and become best buds with the cool hippy race. 
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Dead false gods.
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MakaVillian posted:I think the Tolan homeworld was on the UBC campus(?) SFU. It also got used for BSG and a bunch of other sci-fi shows at various times.
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big shtick energy posted:SFU. It also got used for BSG and a bunch of other sci-fi shows at various times. The beauty of Brutalist architecture
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redshirt posted:Dead false gods. Ba'al will never die, only the actor who played him 
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redshirt posted:Dead false gods. All the gods are false gods in SG. They never find any better poo poo than AMERICA!!!
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Overdog posted:All the gods are false gods in SG. They never find any better poo poo than AMERICA!!! That's really the underlying hook of the show. That good old American military can go out there in space and kick alien rear end. Compare that to the UN on Atlantis. Totally incompetent.
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I thought the hook was McGuyver space adventures.
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I thought the hook was Teal'c.
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The hook is Teal'c's right eyebrow.
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Look, the Tollan just had their homeworld devastated last week because they shared their technology with a civilizarion which blew up their planet within one day of getting it. Give them some time to adjust, and never let them meet McKay.
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I read someone describe SG-1 as "Competency Porn", comparing it to TNG in that sense. The idea being everyone is competent. SG-1 and the other SG teams for obvious example, but also the leadership. Can you imagine a better boss/commander than General Hammond? Doctor Frazier is always on the ball. Everyone is. The competency of everyone is part of the appeal. Sure there are rogue factions, and idiots like Maybourne, but they are not the protagonists. Now compare that to Atlantis, where they stumble and bumble over the most basic things. You've got McKay out there in the field stealing from children.
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SG-1 make plenty of mistakes though. Half the time they just bumble through their wins. But it is absolutely a sort of feel-good adventure show, more often than not. IIRC, rarely do any of the stories end on a minor key. Some of them are bittersweet, but it's almost always some kind of a victory, moral or otherwise. McKay is a poo poo though. No doubt. Atlantis in general feels like a fan(fiction) remix of SG-1.
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It is a feel-good show, and we're meant to think that Hammond, of Texas, and SG-1 are good and competent. But it also makes for a good venue for drama. One of the more memorable scenes is when Daniel and Jack disagree with Jack's actions towards the momma of the replicators. They're both extremely confident that they're right, and it's pretty gut-wrenching to see that play out.
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Yeah I definitely wouldn't describe the SGC as overly competent. Most of the time they have to fix their own giant mistakes (eg overriding the gate safety protocol and sending a wormhole through a sun causing it to shift towards the infrared spectrum).
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itry posted:SG-1 make plenty of mistakes though. Half the time they just bumble through their wins. But it is absolutely a sort of feel-good adventure show, more often than not. IIRC, rarely do any of the stories end on a minor key. Some of them are bittersweet, but it's almost always some kind of a victory, moral or otherwise. Sure, they make mistakes, plenty of them. They're not perfect. But it's not because of incompetence or general plot stupidity.
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redshirt posted:Sure, they make mistakes, plenty of them. They're not perfect. But it's not because of incompetence or general plot stupidity. Also the Pseudo-Egyptian people in SG-1 didn't even know what chickens were
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Rappaport posted:Hammond, of Texas https://i.imgur.com/QU2mLn7.mp4
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Rappaport posted:It is a feel-good show, and we're meant to think that Hammond, of Texas, and SG-1 are good and competent. Kinda, yes. But they also make very clear that the SG teams are lucky that that specific man is in charge, they also take potshots at the rest of the us military/air force/pentagon stuff when they can. Like, in the first episode Jack has to convince the rest of the SGC to not throw a nuke through and be done with it. Also comes to mind the episode where Hammond is replaced and the first thing the guy does almost nukes the SGC.
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Also, SG-1 predicted Trump, down to the mannerisms.
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alexandriao posted:Also, SG-1 predicted Trump, The actor apparently is a great guy, but wow does he play a great slimy corporate bad guy. Even Jellico (though Jellico was correct in some regards). I loved when Supreme Commander Thor put him in his place.
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alexandriao posted:Kinda, yes. But they also make very clear that the SG teams are lucky that that specific man is in charge, they also take potshots at the rest of the us military/air force/pentagon stuff when they can. Yeah, the show has Tau'ri antagonists, but it was done in collaboration with the US military and does tend to emphasize the idea that these are Good Guys Protecting Are Freedoms. They even rehabilitate Mayborne as a lovable scoundrel. The really bad ones get rekt.
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Rappaport posted:Yeah, the show has Tau'ri antagonists, but it was done in collaboration with the US military and does tend to emphasize the idea that these are Good Guys Protecting Are Freedoms. They even rehabilitate Mayborne as a lovable scoundrel. The really bad ones get rekt. I've read that's why they invented the organization "NID", so they could be the government bad guys, without actually naming any real government agencies or military as the bad guys.
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redshirt posted:The actor apparently is a great guy, but wow does he play a great slimy corporate bad guy. Even Jellico (though Jellico was correct in some regards). I watched this ep last night and Thor's dress-down of Kinsey in front of the other ambassadors (including the guy who played Jules-Pierre Mao from the Expanse) was very satisfying. Also, I though that episode's premise of cluing in the other world leaders of the Stargate program was an excellent premise for a clip show.
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i started trying to watch this and the pilot is so good for 35mins but some of the episodes are very poo poo immediatly afterwards. looking at the mongol episode and the heart of darkness episode. the others have been decent. so im going to try to stick with it
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Yeah NID is pretty clearly them taking potshots at the CIA and it's extra judicial authority. And yes, while the scripts were run past military advisors, IMHO they do a fair job (compared to, say, Trek) under those constraints of questioning the neoliberalism inherent in their mission.
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snergle posted:i started trying to watch this and the pilot is so good for 35mins but some of the episodes are very poo poo immediatly afterwards. looking at the mongol episode and the heart of darkness episode. the others have been decent. so im going to try to stick with it The Mongol episode is a definite low point.
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snergle posted:i started trying to watch this and the pilot is so good for 35mins but some of the episodes are very poo poo immediatly afterwards. looking at the mongol episode and the heart of darkness episode. the others have been decent. so im going to try to stick with it lmao those are some of the only episodes in the show id recommend that people just dont watch on their first run-through lol
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