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The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Snowglobe of Doom posted:

The price has since dropped fairly dramatically but even though we've had an effective cure for Hep-C for a decade now the US still sees 15,000 preventable deaths caused by Hep-C annually because many people in the US who catch Hep-C still can't access this treatment

If they just cured everybody of a communicable disease and new cases stopped, that would destroy the market valuation of that drug, can you imagine the damage done to small and mid-sized stock portfolios in distressed sectors??

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Zantie
Mar 30, 2003

Death. The capricious dance of Now You Stop Moving Forever.
Washington state's weekly wastewater update, cobbled together from the state's downloadable excel report and supplemented with scaled National Wastewater Surveillance System (NWSS) data when available. Solid lines are from WADoH data and white diamond dots applied to scale are from most recent CDC/NWSS data (if available).

The WADoH dashboard graphs using a different tableset than what they provide via the download link. I'm not entirely sure why other than the graph they show is attached to the table (right-click their Power BI graph to view) is after they take the Excel data and calculate the 7-day rolling average. Sometimes this appears quite different.

I've distributed 30 sewersheds across 5 charts grouped by approximate geographical region then alphabetized by county. See the tables below each image for definitions of WADoH IDs, Date last sampled, Trend (based on change between the averages of the two most recent weeks measured), and Service Area for city names/regions.

Northwest Washington


pre:
Northwest Washington
County:		ID:	Date:	Trend:	Service Area:
Island		OH	Aug-18	UP	Oak Harbor
Jefferson	PT	Aug-16	DOWN	Port Townsend
Mason		HP	Jul-30	UP	Rustlewood, Shelton
Whatcom		LYN	Aug-17	STEADY	Lynden
King + Snohomish


pre:
King + Snohomish
County:		ID:	Date:	Trend:	Service Area:
King		BWT	Aug-15	UP	Bothell, Mill Creek, Redmond, Woodinville, Overflow from King County South and West Point Treatment Plants
King		KCS	Aug-14	DOWN	Auburn, Bellevue, Issaquah, Kent, Renton, Sammamish
King		WSPT	Aug-15	UP	Seattle, Shoreline, north King County, north Lake Wash., parts of south Snohomish
Snohomish	APP	Aug-07	STEADY	Lynnwood
Snohomish	ARL	Aug-16	STEADY	Arlington
Snohomish	EVR	Aug-15	UP	Everett
Snohomish	STAN	Aug-15	DOWN	Stanwood
Southwest Washington


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Southwest Washington
County:		ID:	Date:	Trend:	Service Area:
Clark		MRPK	Aug-16	STEADY	Vancouver
Clark		SNCK	Aug-14	UP	Battle Ground, Ridgefield
Clark		VWS	Aug-02	DOWN	Vancouver Westside
Pierce		CC	Aug-18	UP	Browns Point, Dash Point, Dupont, Fife, Fife Heights, Frederickson, Graham, Lakewood, Milton, Orting, Parkland, South Hill, Spanaway, University Place
Pierce		PUY	Aug-17	STEADY	Puyallup
Thurston	LOTT	Aug-16	STEADY	Lacey, Olympia, Tumwater
Thurston	NISQ	Aug-17	UP	Nisqually
Central Washington


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Central Washington
County:		ID:	Date:	Trend:	Service Area:
Benton		KEN	Aug-07	STEADY	Kennewick
Benton		WRCH	Aug-17	STEADY	West Richland
Chelan		WWTP	Aug-17	UP	Wenatchee
Grant		EPH	Aug-16	STEADY	Ephrata
Kittitas	ELL	Aug-17	UP	Ellensburg
Okanogan	BRW	Aug-17	STEADY	Brewster
Yakima		YAK	Aug-17	UP	Yakima
Eastern Washington


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Eastern Washington
County:		ID:	Date:	Trend:	Service Area:
Franklin	PAS	Aug-18	DOWN	Pasco
Spokane		RP	Aug-18	STEADY	Spokane
Spokane		SPK	Aug-18	STEADY	Spokane Valley
Walla Walla	WALLA	Aug-17	STEADY	Walla Walla
Whitman		PLM	Jul-28	UP	Pullman

Computer Serf
May 14, 2005
Buglord

The Oldest Man posted:

Not loving that the messaging is strategy is that long covid victims aren't a priority for the big new marquee COVID initiative and funding stream because that's being solved by RECOVER right after the analysis of what happened to all the RECOVER funding found that the money's basically all gone and hasn't generated any candidate treatment trials

Yeah the article I linked above actually talks about this; there are no shortages of scientists and doctors who have ideas about this, e.g., see Eric Topol's paper about just that subject here: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41579-022-00846-2

but they're not who got the billion dollars the NIH just spent.

there’s definitely multiple biomarkers for PASC. autoimmune treatments exist for some autoantibodies. Hopefully monoclonal, stem cell and peptide treatments will be scaled up and cheaper :sweatdrop:

seems like a good idea to avoid catching more of the lil’protein plague imho

silicone thrills
Jan 9, 2008

I paint things

Zantie posted:

Washington state's weekly update, cobbled together from the state's excel reports Cumulative Counts and EpiCurve Counts.

Recent Hospitalizations
Hospitalizations of Washington state residents dated by week of first admission due to confirmed or probable COVID-19.



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Hosp.      Changes in state counts reported:			7-Day
week of:    4wk ago  3wk ago  2wk ago  1wk ago  This week	Total:
Aug 20            -        -        -        -       + 56          56
Aug 13            -        -        -       43      + 179         222
Aug 06            -        -       49      147       + 10         206
Jul 30            -       35      123       18        + 9         185
Jul 23           40      103       17        1        + 3         164
All Older       109       28        5        6       + 11          
Recent Deaths
Deaths due to confirmed/suspected COVID-19 are dated week of death.



pre:
Deaths*    Changes in state counts reported:			7-Day
week of:    4wk ago  3wk ago  2wk ago  1wk ago  This week	Total:
Aug 20            -        -        -        -        + 2           2
Aug 13            -        -        -        -       + 18          18
Aug 06            -        -        -        8        + 8          16
Jul 30            -        -        9        6        + 0          15
Jul 23            -        4        5        2        + 0          11
All Older        12        4        1        1        + 2         
And now for the least useful metric...

Recent Cases (Molecular + Antigen)
Cases are dated as first specimen date of either PCR or antigen test unless greater than 90 days since previous positive, then it is considered a reinfection.



pre:
Cases      Changes in state counts reported:			7-Day
week of:    4wk ago  3wk ago  2wk ago  1wk ago  This week	Total:
Aug 20            -        -        -        -      + 878         878
Aug 13            -        -        -      405    + 2,304       2,709
Aug 06            -        -      610    1,619      + 128       2,357
Jul 30            -      575    1,522       60       + 32       2,189
Jul 23          413    1,246       43       12       + 12       1,726
All Older     1,044       68       28    1,517       + 21          

me: a friend of mine invited me to get lunch during PAX
me: maybe i could compromise and just grab a coffee outside

you post this: I think we can wait another year to hang out.

Pingui
Jun 4, 2006

WTF?

The Maroon Hawk posted:

I have the same problem, walking around for hours is fine somehow but if I stand in one spot for more than a few minutes (especially after sitting down for a prolonged period of time) my heart rate goes through the roof, I get faint and short of breath, and my legs start to get numb. this is especially bad for me being in a choir.

does anybody have any recommendations for alleviating this? my primary doctor was of absolutely no help in this regard.

cool painting, btw

You should talk to a doctor about this and not the forums. I am but a humble layman, so this isn't medical advice, but I would suggest looking into symptoms of long COVID. Like here: https://www.nhsinform.scot/long-term-effects-of-covid-19-long-covid/about-long-covid/signs-and-symptoms-of-long-covid

silicone thrills
Jan 9, 2008

I paint things

Pingui posted:

You should talk to a doctor about this and not the forums. I am but a humble layman, so this isn't medical advice, but I would suggest looking into symptoms of long COVID. Like here: https://www.nhsinform.scot/long-term-effects-of-covid-19-long-covid/about-long-covid/signs-and-symptoms-of-long-covid

Whats cool is I also talked to my doctor about this same thing and they basically shrugged at me and acted like i was stupid. It rules.

I also dont have great insurance coverage right now so pursuing it will be a very financially painful path.

Pingui
Jun 4, 2006

WTF?

silicone thrills posted:

Whats cool is I also talked to my doctor about this same thing and they basically shrugged at me and acted like i was stupid. It rules.

I also dont have great insurance coverage right now so pursuing it will be a very financially painful path.

We can all find solace in knowing that the tools are available.

The Maroon Hawk
May 10, 2008

Pingui posted:

You should talk to a doctor about this and not the forums. I am but a humble layman, so this isn't medical advice, but I would suggest looking into symptoms of long COVID. Like here: https://www.nhsinform.scot/long-term-effects-of-covid-19-long-covid/about-long-covid/signs-and-symptoms-of-long-covid

oh I did, I said I strongly suspected it was COVID-induced POTS and listed all the symptoms that made me think that. his response was basically “idk bro, try some light cardio and get back to me if that doesn’t help :shrug:

Pingui
Jun 4, 2006

WTF?

The Maroon Hawk posted:

oh I did, I said I strongly suspected it was COVID-induced POTS and listed all the symptoms that made me think that. his response was basically “idk bro, try some light cardio and get back to me if that doesn’t help :shrug:

Well if it is PoTS, there is some general PoTS advice here ("Important Lifestyle Changes" on the left):
https://www.potsuk.org/managingpots/

Gravid Topiary
Feb 16, 2012

Strep Vote posted:

Hollowing out a beet and carving a happy face on it and putting it on the porch to guide poor ol' wandering calibanibal home.

DickParasite
Dec 2, 2004


Slippery Tilde

The Maroon Hawk posted:

oh I did, I said I strongly suspected it was COVID-induced POTS and listed all the symptoms that made me think that. his response was basically “idk bro, try some light cardio and get back to me if that doesn’t help :shrug:

we have the tools

DominoKitten
Aug 7, 2012

Since it was mentioned, interesting side note I saw float by regarding Harvoni/sofosbuvir is that apparently some people are anecdotally having good experiences using it for their Long COVID, and there have been a few studies that show promise. Additionally, it may have had some ameliorative effect during chronic infection. Hopefully more research into antivirals and COVID, both long and acute, will keep happening.

Phigs
Jan 23, 2019

The Maroon Hawk posted:

I have the same problem, walking around for hours is fine somehow but if I stand in one spot for more than a few minutes (especially after sitting down for a prolonged period of time) my heart rate goes through the roof, I get faint and short of breath, and my legs start to get numb. this is especially bad for me being in a choir.

does anybody have any recommendations for alleviating this? my primary doctor was of absolutely no help in this regard.

cool painting, btw

This sounds like it could be vascular damage. Your heart pumps blood out through your arteries, but veins use a combination of mechanisms to pump blood back to your heart, mechanisms that are helped by movement. If those mechanisms are damaged then standing still can cause blood to pump too slowly through your veins which can then cause the numbness and feeling faint and the body compensates in ways that make your heart rate increase and to feel short of breath. At least, that's what I remember of how it was explained to me ages ago.

Ask your doctor of course if that could be it and maybe get them to refer you to a vascular specialist to see if that's what's up if they don't know. If you can't and need to just try things then the main 3 ways to combat this are frequent moving and avoiding still periods, compression stockings, and vascular massaging. The first one, moving, is always good so definitely try that, just things like flexing and moving your hands and feet about can be enough. The compression stockings I think are safe to do as well but you should check if there are warnings on them. That last one is apparently possible to gently caress up so don't try it without a medical professional/physical therapist showing you how.

EDIT: Also you'd want to be careful about what you're doing to your blood with what you consume. Stay hydrated and avoid large intakes of salt, sugar, or fat. You don't have to avoid them entirely, just don't dump a whole bunch of that poo poo into your bloodstream all at once. This is another thing that is just a good idea anyway so you can freely do it. The stay hydrated was something I was told, the other ones are things I noticed could make my extremities numb if I wasn't careful.

Phigs has issued a correction as of 00:26 on Aug 24, 2023

Zantie
Mar 30, 2003

Death. The capricious dance of Now You Stop Moving Forever.

Phigs posted:

They are very earthy regardless I could see someone saying they taste like dirt.

Weirdly cilantro used to taste like soap to me but now it doesn't. But the taste is still slightly reminiscent of soap, like it's one of those images that you can interpret differently and while you see one of them you can kinda see the other image too. Beets feel a bit similar with the dirt taste.

Holy crap you're the first person to describe these two perfectly. It's not always soapy or dirty, just sometimes.

The Maroon Hawk
May 10, 2008

Phigs posted:

This sounds like it could be vascular damage. Your heart pumps blood out through your arteries, but veins use a combination of mechanisms to pump blood back to your heart, mechanisms that are helped by movement. If those mechanisms are damaged then standing still can cause blood to pump too slowly through your veins which can then cause the numbness and feeling faint and the body compensates in ways that make your heart rate increase and to feel short of breath. At least, that's what I remember of how it was explained to me ages ago.

Ask your doctor of course if that could be it and maybe get them to refer you to a vascular specialist to see if that's what's up if they don't know. If you can't and need to just try things then the main 3 ways to combat this are frequent moving and avoiding still periods, compression stockings, and vascular massaging. The first one, moving, is always good so definitely try that, just things like flexing and moving your hands and feet about can be enough. The compression stockings I think are safe to do as well but you should check if there are warnings on them. That last one is apparently possible to gently caress up so don't try it without a medical professional/physical therapist showing you how.

EDIT: Also you'd want to be careful about what you're doing to your blood with what you consume. Stay hydrated and avoid large intakes of salt, sugar, or fat. You don't have to avoid them entirely, just don't dump a whole bunch of that poo poo into your bloodstream all at once. This is another thing that is just a good idea anyway so you can freely do it. The stay hydrated was something I was told, the other ones are things I noticed could make my extremities numb if I wasn't careful.

this is all very good to know and at least points me in the right direction next time I see my doctor, so thank you!

see, here’s the thing - it actually isn’t intolerable in most situations. I walk a lot for work and as long as I’m moving I’m fine, and if I’m standing by and not doing anything I can sit or at least pace around to alleviate it. but I’m in a choir, and I can’t exactly sit whenever I want or pace around when I’m on stage. also, needless to say, getting short of breath isn’t great when you’re trying to sing! I had to leave the stage in the middle of a big concert I’d been really looking forward to last summer, and while I learned of the compression stocking trick shortly after and it helps somewhat, I’m still generally miserable while performing and basically can’t do it for more than twenty minutes, on a good day.

I really, really don’t want to have to quit my choir over this :(

Pingui
Jun 4, 2006

WTF?

The Maroon Hawk posted:

this is all very good to know and at least points me in the right direction next time I see my doctor, so thank you!

see, here’s the thing - it actually isn’t intolerable in most situations. I walk a lot for work and as long as I’m moving I’m fine, and if I’m standing by and not doing anything I can sit or at least pace around to alleviate it. but I’m in a choir, and I can’t exactly sit whenever I want or pace around when I’m on stage. also, needless to say, getting short of breath isn’t great when you’re trying to sing! I had to leave the stage in the middle of a big concert I’d been really looking forward to last summer, and while I learned of the compression stocking trick shortly after and it helps somewhat, I’m still generally miserable while performing and basically can’t do it for more than twenty minutes, on a good day.

I really, really don’t want to have to quit my choir over this :(

You may find some inspiration for talking with your doctor here (under "Management"):

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10065129/ posted:

COVID-19 Induced Postural Orthostatic Tachycardia Syndrome (POTS): A Review

Pingui
Jun 4, 2006

WTF?
Anyways and while we are on the subject, it is worth keeping in mind that PoTS is very common among PASC sufferers:

"High Incidence of Autonomic Dysfunction and Postural Orthostatic Tachycardia Syndrome in Patients with Long COVID: Implications for Management and Health Care Planning"

https://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343(23)00402-3/fulltext posted:

Abstract
Background
Autonomic dysfunction, including postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome (POTS), has been reported in individuals with post-acute sequelae of COVID-19 (PASC). However, the degree of dysautonomia in PASC has not been compared to those with POTS and healthy controls.

Methods
All participants were prospectively enrolled between August 5, 2021 and October 31, 2022. Autonomic testing included beat-to-beat hemodynamic monitoring to assess respiratory sinus arrhythmia, Valsalva ratio, and orthostatic changes during a 10-minute active standing test, as well as sudomotor assessment. The Composite Autonomic Symptom Score (COMPASS-31) was used to assess symptoms and the EuroQuol 5-Dimension survey (EQ-5D-5L) was used to assess health-related quality of life (HrQoL) measures.

Results
A total of 99 participants (n = 33 PASC, n = 33 POTS, and n = 33 healthy controls; median age 32 years, 85.9% females) were included. Compared with healthy controls, the PASC and POTS cohorts demonstrated significantly reduced respiratory sinus arrhythmia (P < .001), greater heart rate increase during 10-minute active standing test (P < .001), greater burden of autonomic dysfunction evidenced by higher COMPASS-31 scores across all subdomains (all P < .001), and poor HrQoL across all EQ-5D-5L domains (all P < .001), lower median EuroQol-visual analogue scale (P < .001), and lower utility scores (P < .001). The majority (79%) of those with PASC met the internationally established criteria for POTS.

Conclusion
The prevalence of autonomic symptomology for POTS was high in those with PASC, leading to poor HrQoL and high health disutility. Autonomic testing should be routinely undertaken in those with PASC to aid diagnosis and direct appropriate management to improve health outcomes.

Yeah, yeah small n, but the chance of 79% meeting the criteria as a random artifact of chance are slim.

Zugzwang
Jan 2, 2005

You have a kind of sick desperation in your laugh.


Ramrod XTreme

brap posted:

yeah the metrix is much cheaper. like $75 for a reader and $50 per test. it’s available for purchase here: https://shop.peachmedical.com/products/Metrix-COVID-19-Molecular-Saliva-Swab-KIT-1-Test-Reader-Sold-Separately-p561344282

I may go ahead and get it and share impressions if I do.
Interesting, that puts it more like Lucira cost-wise, the occasional deep discounts on Lucira tests notwithstanding. Though maybe there's less waste? I hate how you have to throw away the whole reader with each Lucira test. And maybe targeting two genes instead of one would help mitigate false positives, depending how their positivity algorithm works :shrug:

Zantie
Mar 30, 2003

Death. The capricious dance of Now You Stop Moving Forever.
My friend with POTS told me she's actually had to drastically up her sodium intake along with hydrating more. Something along the lines of increasing sodium enables you to retain more of the extra water you're consuming.

fosborb
Dec 15, 2006



Chronic Good Poster

Zantie posted:

My friend with POTS told me she's actually had to drastically up her sodium intake along with hydrating more. Something along the lines of increasing sodium enables you to retain more of the extra water you're consuming.

it's got what plants crave

Pingui
Jun 4, 2006

WTF?

Zantie posted:

My friend with POTS told me she's actually had to drastically up her sodium intake along with hydrating more. Something along the lines of increasing sodium enables you to retain more of the extra water you're consuming.

Yup, it is in the link I posted:

quote:

Salt
6-10g of additional salt each day is advised, 6g is around 1 level teaspoon. Salt can be sprinkled onto food, used in cooking or you can eat extra salty foods.

Zantie
Mar 30, 2003

Death. The capricious dance of Now You Stop Moving Forever.

silicone thrills posted:

me: a friend of mine invited me to get lunch during PAX
me: maybe i could compromise and just grab a coffee outside

you post this: I think we can wait another year to hang out.

Scary excel graphs strike again :tinfoil:

Zantie
Mar 30, 2003

Death. The capricious dance of Now You Stop Moving Forever.

Pingui posted:

Yup, it is in the link I posted:

That's what I get for skipping around to :justpost:

Pingui
Jun 4, 2006

WTF?

Zantie posted:

That's what I get for skipping around to :justpost:

I wouldn't expect you to read that link unless you suffer from PoTS, just wanted to back you up :)

Phigs
Jan 23, 2019

Just don't think you can cram all that salt in at once, you need to spread it out.

Also I dunno that I'd up my salt intake without medical advice considering high salt intake can also be bad depending on what else you've got going on.

Pingui
Jun 4, 2006

WTF?

Phigs posted:

Just don't think you can cram all that salt in at once, you need to spread it out.

Also I dunno that I'd up my salt intake without medical advice considering high salt intake can also be bad depending on what else you've got going on.

You shouldn't do anything without consulting a doctor.

Zugzwang
Jan 2, 2005

You have a kind of sick desperation in your laugh.


Ramrod XTreme

fosborb posted:

in 10 years some AAA game is going to have faded "please wear a mask" in store front windows and people are going to lose their minds at the environmental storytelling
It was surreal playing the RE3 remake in April 2020 and passing packages of toilet paper on the shelves in a few of the stores

Pingui
Jun 4, 2006

WTF?

Zugzwang posted:

It was surreal playing the RE3 remake in April 2020 and passing packages of toilet paper on the shelves in a few of the stores

*Nudges wife going "remember toilet paper?" in April 2020*

fosborb
Dec 15, 2006



Chronic Good Poster
I dropped toilet paper off at a friend's house when he ran entirely out during that peak couple of weeks

what a weird loving time

16-bit Butt-Head
Dec 25, 2014

fosborb posted:

I dropped toilet paper off at a friend's house when he ran entirely out during that peak couple of weeks

what a weird loving time

did you get experience points for completing such a trivial fetch quest

Shiroc
May 16, 2009

Sorry I'm late
I never an out of toilet paper but living through a period when I didn't know if I could get more is my personal 'quesadilla didn't have the right cheese' moment.

salient
Jan 2, 2021

Zantie posted:

My friend with POTS told me she's actually had to drastically up her sodium intake along with hydrating more. Something along the lines of increasing sodium enables you to retain more of the extra water you're consuming.

yep :~) electrolyte powders like liquid iv and compression leggings are the most basic ways to try and handle pots at home. formal diagnosis requires a tilt table test.

edit to add: pots is much more common in women and unsurprisingly tiktok has a lot of content from girlies who share their best practices

nexous
Jan 14, 2003

I just want to be pure
toilet paper is so 2019. blast your cornhole with water til it’s clean

Pingui
Jun 4, 2006

WTF?
Shocking stuff.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2388929-lockdowns-and-face-masks-really-did-help-to-control-covid-19/ posted:

Lockdowns and face masks really did help to control covid-19
Non-vaccine measures such as social distancing and wearing face masks have been "unequivocally effective" at preventing the spread of the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus, according to a major report by the UK's Royal Society

nexous
Jan 14, 2003

I just want to be pure

Pingui posted:

Shocking stuff.

of loving course they did. the flu literally disappeared! gone! none of it when we tried.

argh this isn’t good for my blood pressure

VomitOnLino
Jun 13, 2005

Sometimes I get lost.

Pingui posted:

Shocking stuff.

Lol at calling it "lockdown" what the gently caress was locked down even during the strictest period?
It was much more of a "stay at home please" thing... but hey it still made chuds real mad.

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

gently caress COREY PERRY posted:

was this supposed to be a comedy probe or something

Lib and let die posted:

I believe there have been multiple calls from multiple mods to end the 'us vs them' mentality and this probe seems to be the manifestation of that call being ignored.

basically yeah that's how it reads. its not just the 'us vs them' stuff, its also all the other insane posts that has lead to stricter moderation here for the people posting weird stuff.

silicone thrills posted:

The vibes in this thread are like if you are at work and your boss is just constantly standing behind you watching for you to do something wrong.

It sucks and I hate it now.

like this person who equated this thread being closed to enacting genocide.

like, no closing an SA thread that has had to ban like 8 people in a month for insane posts isn't the same as committing genocide. lol, this isn't rocket science.

Pingui
Jun 4, 2006

WTF?

nexous posted:

of loving course they did. the flu literally disappeared! gone! none of it when we tried.

argh this isn’t good for my blood pressure

lmao, I always find it amusing to see studies of the "water is wet" variety, blasted out as something new.

Pingui
Jun 4, 2006

WTF?

VomitOnLino posted:

Lol at calling it "lockdown" what the gently caress was locked down even during the strictest period?
It was much more of a "stay at home please" thing... but hey it still made chuds real mad.

Not in the US, but lockdowns did happen in other countries.

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VomitOnLino
Jun 13, 2005

Sometimes I get lost.

Pingui posted:

Not in the US, but lockdowns did happen in other countries.

That's a weird way to spell China

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