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Fluffdaddy
Jan 3, 2009

16-bit Butt-Head posted:

someone will just make a different account to get around this but i think this is still a good idea

Theres really no need for that because if someone has bought themselves a hosed up AV, they won't use their own account and Jeff would still be able to match them together.

Keeping purchases knowledge as a Jeff only thing is something that we won't compromise on. Privacy is more important than anything.

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Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

16-bit Butt-Head posted:

someone will just make a different account to get around this but i think this is still a good idea

worst case scenario it costs them twice as much to buy a perma worthy av (10 for the burner account, 10 for the av), best case scenario it gives them more opportunity to make VPN opsec mistakes so the admins can fire their main account into the sun

Poppers
Jan 21, 2023

Hey anybody got any NordVPN coupons lol?

strong bird
May 12, 2009

speng31b
May 8, 2010

Fluffdaddy posted:

Keeping purchases knowledge as a Jeff only thing is something that we won't compromise on. Privacy is more important than anything.

good call.

IGgy IGsen
Apr 11, 2013

"If I lose I will set myself on fire."

Poppers posted:

Hey anybody got any NordVPN coupons lol?

use code AWFUL

Probably no longer valid but hey

Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Dec 22, 2005

GET LOSE, YOU CAN'T COMPARE WITH MY POWERS

Discendo Vox posted:

What is the timeline for requiring someone to be logged in to purchase an avatar for another user?
Good question. :shrug: I am looking into this. Changing the store code is high stakes. I am always going to take my time and move cautiously when changing it. If I gently caress up the forums code, maybe your posts look wrong or someone’s quote link gets broken. If I gently caress up the store code, maybe account registration stops working or we send the wrong info to the payment processor or whatever other horrible thing. I'm not going to promise an ETA I don't have.

tiaz
Jul 1, 2004

PICK UP THAT PRESENT.


Zelensky's Zealots

Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:

Overall, here’s where this stands:
  • Avatar purchases will not be turned off, ever.
  • I will require users to log in to buy avatars.
  • I alone will have access to that information and will use it only in the case of truly heinous avatars that I would instantly permaban someone for, and only when requested by the avatar receiver.
  • If I feel demands for revealing these are being abused in any way, I will undo this change and they will go back to being anonymous.

For what it's worth, I think this is pretty ideal, and sorry this wound up carrying such a personal angle. I didn't want av purchases completely gone, and I think logged-in-only is a fine minimum requirement to discourage worse behavior. I hope trivial anonymity doesn't come back, but we'll see how it goes.


Fluffdaddy posted:

Theres really no need for that because if someone has bought themselves a hosed up AV, they won't use their own account and Jeff would still be able to match them together.

Keeping purchases knowledge as a Jeff only thing is something that we won't compromise on. Privacy is more important than anything.

I appreciate you taking privacy seriously. I don't think this happens frequently enough that we need that many people empowered to see PII.

Psycho Landlord
Oct 10, 2012

What are you gonna do, dance with me?

Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:

Overall, here’s where this stands:
  • Avatar purchases will not be turned off, ever.
  • I will require users to log in to buy avatars.
  • I alone will have access to that information and will use it only in the case of truly heinous avatars that I would instantly permaban someone for, and only when requested by the avatar receiver.
  • If I feel demands for revealing these are being abused in any way, I will undo this change and they will go back to being anonymous.

Ignoring the rest of this this is pretty much exactly what anybody with a brain was asking for so yeah good ideas.

pog boyfriend
Jul 2, 2011

Kild posted:

I'll never believe a senator again

well? anything you want to say?

16-bit Butt-Head
Dec 25, 2014

Fluffdaddy posted:

Theres really no need for that because if someone has bought themselves a hosed up AV, they won't use their own account and Jeff would still be able to match them together.

Keeping purchases knowledge as a Jeff only thing is something that we won't compromise on. Privacy is more important than anything.

thats understandable privacy ftw

absolutely anything
Dec 28, 2006

~As for dreams, she has enough and more to spare~
i'm not acting incredulous for the sake of it i genuinely want to know why The Domestic Terror Goon got a second chance and why you havent permabanned their boba pearl account yet

Precambrian Video Games
Aug 19, 2002



Seconding:

absolutely anything posted:

i'm not acting incredulous for the sake of it i genuinely want to know why The Domestic Terror Goon got a second chance and why you havent permabanned their boba pearl account yet

due to:

Boba Pearl posted:

I WOULD NEVER DO THIS, WHAT THE FUKC

zone
Dec 6, 2016

grieving for Gandalf
Apr 22, 2008

i'm glad the sanctity of buying people weird bullshit for their avatars is being protected and i mean that unironically. i think it's part of the culture of the site and is inextricable

ArfJason
Sep 5, 2011

absolutely anything posted:

i'm not acting incredulous for the sake of it i genuinely want to know why The Domestic Terror Goon got a second chance and why you havent permabanned their boba pearl account yet

yeah kinda weird imho

Zesty
Jan 17, 2012

The Great Twist
The person who was already probed for editing screenshots of their posting enemies turned out to be a manipulative liar?

sharknado slashfic
Jun 24, 2011

You really just don't get this kind of value anywhere else

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Fluffdaddy posted:

Theres really no need for that because if someone has bought themselves a hosed up AV, they won't use their own account
this has literally proven to not be the case

slave to my cravings
Mar 1, 2007

Got my mind on doritos and doritos on my mind.
LMFAO

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012
She also accused a D&D IK of stalking her, when their entire interaction was having a slight argument in a CYOA thread five years prior.

Fluffdaddy
Jan 3, 2009

Endorph posted:

this has literally proven to not be the case

only once? and it didn't take the entire volunteer mod or admin staff to figure it out. Privacy trumps catching someone in a bullshit lie.

B33rChiller
Aug 18, 2011




Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:

I started writing this post about avatars before all this happened but it stands now:

First and foremost - I will shut down the website before I turn off avatar purchases entirely. They've been part of this site for twenty years and are here to stay, forever. If you feel this violates the Geneva convention or whatever other wild exaggeration, please go post on some other website. We have deputized more than 200 mods and IKs to blank offensive avatars and they are downright quick about it.

I am willing to make the store change such that people need to log in to buy avatars, and I (and I alone) can see who purchased one. If someone doxxes someone in their avatar, I want to permaban them. But this is not going to be used for avatars that are simply insulting - it’s serious real-life poo poo only. I’m not going to even consider looking one of these up unless it would be an instant-permaban, by my discretion alone. I respect the privacy of the passive-aggressive avatar-buying box and I’m not going to discourage people from buying them by overzealously tattling on them.

If you guys want this feature to work, I must insist - do not create work for the admins by demanding they reveal an avatar buyer over insults. I am not going to allow the website volunteers to waste their time fielding an endless series of demands to know who bought a given avatar. If people can’t help themselves but work themselves into frenzies demanding to know who bought a given avatar, I will revert the change and we’ll go back to the old way. Don’t say you weren’t warned.

Overall, here’s where this stands:
  • Avatar purchases will not be turned off, ever.
  • I will require users to log in to buy avatars.
  • I alone will have access to that information and will use it only in the case of truly heinous avatars that I would instantly permaban someone for, and only when requested by the avatar receiver.
  • If I feel demands for revealing these are being abused in any way, I will undo this change and they will go back to being anonymous.
loving solid solution. Mostly anon, but you can track. Ace. Thank you.

Also, :negative: gently caress! Sorry, and hell I'm shook up by this. I have a tough time imagining how rough this must be on you.
This is shocking.

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:

Overall, here’s where this stands:
  • Avatar purchases will not be turned off, ever.
  • I will require users to log in to buy avatars.
  • I alone will have access to that information and will use it only in the case of truly heinous avatars that I would instantly permaban someone for, and only when requested by the avatar receiver.
  • If I feel demands for revealing these are being abused in any way, I will undo this change and they will go back to being anonymous.

Unironically: good job. Stellar work all-around on this.

as for the rest, PSA for gently caress's sakes please do not buy yourself horrific avs for attention, just make bad posts like everyone else. all this does is make it worse for people who actually get doxxed/harassed

Putty
Mar 21, 2013

HOOKED ON THE BROTHERS
I've been in voice chats with both Turtlicious and Boba Pearl and checking back I'm just now realizing they sound exactly the same. This is a very very weird feeling.

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

Fluffdaddy posted:

only once? and it didn't take the entire volunteer mod or admin staff to figure it out. Privacy trumps catching someone in a bullshit lie.

Well, twice.

But yeah I think the proposed system is good (though the part of me that can't switch off from work is screaming WHO IS JEFF'S BACKUP even knowing this isn't really that important)

KirbyKhan
Mar 20, 2009



Soiled Meat

Putty posted:

I've been in voice chats with both Turtlicious and Boba Pearl and checking back I'm just now realizing they sound exactly the same. This is a very very weird feeling.

That's dedication to the sock puppet craft.

Yaoi Gagarin
Feb 20, 2014

user names are PII?

Fluffdaddy
Jan 3, 2009

VostokProgram posted:

user names are PII?

Purchases are. I don't want to know how you spend your money.

Kirk Vikernes
Apr 26, 2004

Count Goatnackh

Hahahaha....how does this always happen?

Some plague rats, Boba Pearl...who's next?

slave to my cravings
Mar 1, 2007

Got my mind on doritos and doritos on my mind.

Boba Pearl posted:

the "cool" part is the spr thing also means I'm also a suspect for doing it to myself.
lol

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

VostokProgram posted:

user names are PII?

It's not about user names, it's about user's names (the one on their debit card)

disaster pastor
May 1, 2007


docbeard posted:

Well, twice.

But yeah I think the proposed system is good (though the part of me that can't switch off from work is screaming WHO IS JEFF'S BACKUP even knowing this isn't really that important)

Does there need to be a backup? I might be misunderstanding why you'd want one, but the time-sensitive part is blanking the AV and a lot of people can do that. The records will still exist and Jeff can look at them and take action whenever.

Psycho Landlord
Oct 10, 2012

What are you gonna do, dance with me?

docbeard posted:

But yeah I think the proposed system is good (though the part of me that can't switch off from work is screaming WHO IS JEFF'S BACKUP even knowing this isn't really that important)

Lmao same, sorry we are both broken

disaster pastor posted:

Does there need to be a backup? I might be misunderstanding why you'd want one, but the time-sensitive part is blanking the AV and a lot of people can do that. The records will still exist and Jeff can look at them and take action whenever.

No there doesn't need to be, he even points out that he is having a WorkBrain moment about a jokes website

ol yeller
Feb 20, 2015

Putty posted:

I've been in voice chats with both Turtlicious and Boba Pearl and checking back I'm just now realizing they sound exactly the same. This is a very very weird feeling.

lmfao good loving god dude

RPATDO_LAMD
Mar 22, 2013

🐘🪠🍆

Endorph posted:

would implementing some sort of 'approval phase' for avatars work also? like an admin/mod has to go 'yeah this is fine'. even ignoring stuff thats permabannable sometimes you get people buying like, outright porn or whatever. you dont get permabanned for posting porn (usually just regular banned) but still feels like one that shouldn't be allowed.

ofc introducing more work to the pipeline doesnt sound good but idk, i dont think looking at something and seeing if the text has their address or if you can see a dick in it would require that much labor. just a thought

as i understand it sa used to do this like 20 years ago and removed it because it was too much work and pissed the admins off

docbeard posted:

Well, twice.

it didn't happen twice though
turtlicious had a flawless evil plan
she saw how spr got caught for it and took extra steps to specifically avoid that self-buy pitfall by using a vpn plus 10bux anonymous purchases
she got caught because she hosed up and accidentally posted on her main through the vpn

when the THIRD insane self doxxing goon comes along they will learn from her mistake and maintain proper vpn hygiene by only doxxing themselves through a prepaid burner phone. then jeff will contact the credit card processor and nuke them through that

World War Mammories
Aug 25, 2006


I'm losing my loving mind

Ohtori Akio
Jul 15, 2022

Putty posted:

I've been in voice chats with both Turtlicious and Boba Pearl and checking back I'm just now realizing they sound exactly the same. This is a very very weird feeling.

lmfao

ArfJason
Sep 5, 2011

ol yeller posted:

lmfao good loving god dude

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studio mujahideen
May 3, 2005

Putty posted:

I've been in voice chats with both Turtlicious and Boba Pearl and checking back I'm just now realizing they sound exactly the same. This is a very very weird feeling.

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