genericnick posted:

grading the naomis on a curve

Bastard Tetris posted:

it has to be extremely hosed up to be constantly publicly mixed up with a total shithead like Naomi Wolf lmao

Coolness Averted posted:

Klein just wrote a book about it! I'm gonna assume that link last page was to her guardian article/teaser about it. It's interesting because it goes into how Wolf was in many ways her evil doppelganger and parallels about them that lead to the mixups.
I have to imagine Wolf's arc sucks for Wolf too if she's ever self aware, since she'd have to realize she's gone from being an at least tolerated academic to full on crank and laughing stock.

razorscooter posted:

No! No!!

Mekchu posted:

korea is probably not going to try and take too many queues from japan for a whole host of reasons that are far too complicated to get into.

i don't doubt they'd potentially benefit from it but in general my experience is 'why should we care what japan does (except for when its something bad like the fukushima water situation right now)?'

especially under a right wing government that promised to, iirc, stop the needless measures moon had been holding onto and only started to loosen up when the elections were happening in 2022. like there was a lot of 'ok sure these restrictions are fine' at the start and then after a good while and a lot of 'no we changed it to this, oops its now this' sort of policy making people just started to get really frustrated.

once the vaccinations rolled out for everyone in late 2021 and the boosters, which happened just before the election stuff started for 2022, people were pretty much fed up with being dogmatic with the restrictions. especially since those restrictions drove a lot of people out of business (which is a whole different thing to discuss given how flimsily most businesses will open and close at the drop of a hat there). sucks but that's just how it happened to play out.

captainbananas posted:

did you live in korea throughout the more restrictive period? curious about how much of a shock that must have been; I'd only ever been to Seoul for work before the pandemic, but every time everyone seemed to go hard with nightlife amenities even when the weather was poo poo.

also interested in what the view on the street was of the crazy apocalyptic churches that were deliberately defying restrictions to spread the virus pre-vaccine

Lib and let die posted:

We should definitely free the poster that compared the COVID thread getting mocked/criticized to genocide

Bastard Tetris posted:

Must be nice, our local church turned into a training ground for psychos to run for local offices backed by Tucker Carlson and poo poo

Mekchu posted:

i don't think the korean guy i'm thinking of (reverent/pator jun? jeon?) said the genocide bit

VomitOnLino posted:

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skooma512 posted:

free silicone thrills.

Bastard Tetris posted:

Must be nice, our local church turned into a training ground for psychos to run for local offices backed by Tucker Carlson and poo poo

Lib and let die posted:

Bastard Tetris posted:

I am honestly fascinated at how the US’ response to the pandemic echoed to places like South Korea, thanks for the insight.

quote:

The provincial government of Jeju Island, South Korea, is suing two women who visited the island on vacation despite the younger one having symptoms of coronavirus.

The pair have been identified as a mother, age 52, and her 19-year-old daughter, who had recently returned to her native South Korea from studying abroad in Boston.

The Seoul-based mother and daughter arrived on Jeju, which is a popular holiday destination for Koreans, on March 20 despite the fact that the daughter had been advised to self-quarantine upon her return to the country five days earlier, according to press release from the Jeju Provincial office.

The daughter began showing symptoms of coronavirus on March 21, the release said, but she and her mother remained on the island for four more days, having contact with an estimated 47 people at 20 locations.

Both mother and daughter tested positive for coronavirus at a public clinic after returning to their home in the Gangnam district of Seoul, according to the Gangnam-gu health office.

Jeju Province has filed a civil suit against the pair at Jeju District Court seeking damages of 132 million won ($107,000 USD). In addition to the municipal government, plaintiffs include two Jeju residents who have had to quarantine since interacting with the women and two businesses on the island that were forced to close.

“I hope to send a strong warning against actions that threaten the deadly struggle of the medical workers, the endeavor of the disease prevention workers, and the participation of our people in their fight against coronavirus,” Jeju Governor Won Hee-ryong said in a statement.

In the submitted complaint, Jeju province wrote that the daughter “had failed to uphold her duty as a member of the community.”

It also emphasized that the mother had “actively joined her daughter’s illegal activity, including providing funds for travel,” which is why she is also culpable.

As of April 5, the Korea Centers for Disease Control & Prevention (KCDC) reported 94 new cases in South Korea, bringing the total number of cases to 10,156. There have been 177 deaths since the outbreak, and 6,325 people have recovered.

Coolness Averted posted:

I miss Long Beach, there were 2 really cool churches within walking distance from downtown that had poo poo like sanctuary for immigrants, clothed and fed people, and regularly helped in coalitions among progressive activists. Now I'm in an area where members of a local church were part of the petition to close down the only local soup kitchen that regularly fed people and had hot showers for the unhoused.

Coolness Averted posted:

Klein just wrote a book about it! I'm gonna assume that link last page was to her guardian article/teaser about it. It's interesting because it goes into how Wolf was in many ways her evil doppelganger and parallels about them that lead to the mixups.
I have to imagine Wolf's arc sucks for Wolf too if she's ever self aware, since she'd have to realize she's gone from being an at least tolerated academic to full on crank and laughing stock.

Mekchu posted:

oh yeah that lol

Bastard Tetris posted:

The LA/Orange County Long Beach? I went to undergrad around there so I have some pretty deep roots with sanctuary and activist groups there.

Coolness Averted posted:

Yep, Small world! I went to CSULB for my BA too.
I miss the activist groups in that city since they were really good about coalition building and working together. Really helped radicalize me and realize the only way to get things done is solidarity and working with folks you may not agree with. Like there's a bunch of goofy aspects to trots, but damned if they weren't consistently showing up for poo poo.

skooma512 posted:

Yeah same, it took 3 weeks to recover, I tried to come back after just 2 even with Pax, but the fatigue was still there by week 3

Mekchu posted:

yes, but not in seoul so i can't speak to that other than stuff i heard from people up there. the only real shock was in march 2020 when people were less out and about on the streets where i lived (eg. people walking around and just enjoying the outdoors). restrictions were put in around that time and things were more or less ghost town where i was working but within 2 months or so things were back to chugging along with restrictions, like delivery drivers not interacting with you and leaving your food/parcel deliveries at your doorstep instead of handing them off to you (you'd get an automated message saying they're arriving and to not answer the door until they left etc.). public schools where i was did every other day in-class attendance (days you weren't meant to be in-person you'd do online), though that didn't apply to private after school academies. eating out was ok but you were restricted to 4 ppl per table/group that arrived at the restaurant, then it'd fluctuate to five or six, then back to four, so it got annoying and frustrating to deal with if you weren't actively aware of the changes. given the low outbreak rate in korea for i wanna say the first roughly half year, things weren't too bad and even after the big surges just resulted in public spaces having enforced mandates that have slowly all been rolled back (for the most part with a few exceptions like hospitals etc.)

i lived near the city that was the epicenter of the first major outbreak due to the shincheonji church people who went to china and came back and refused to quarantine (iirc they and others got in some serious trouble but specifics i'm spotty on). i never saw them out and about where i was, but i know there was a big protest by a different church group up in seoul people went to from my area which got them rightly chastised.

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Gyms in the capital Seoul and other nearby areas are no longer allowed to play music faster than 120 beats per minute (the speed of "Call Me Maybe" by Carly Rae Jepsen) during group fitness classes.

Treadmill speeds may not surpass 6 kilometers per hour (or 3 miles per hour).

The concern is that intense exercising, especially in a group setting, could increase the likelihood of stray respiratory droplets and that all the sweat-and-spit slinging could lead to more COVID-19 cases.

Some gym-goers are expressing frustration.

"Hardcore cardio has marked the start and end of my daily exercise routines, and now they want me to run slower, but they ask us to leave in two hours," Jang, an office worker who frequents the gym, told The Korea Herald. "What do they want from us? Does the government want me to get fat and give up our lifestyle for the sake of these dumb rules?"

Still, it's not hard to understand why health officials are concerned: the greater Seoul area has seen a marked increase in COVID-19 cases, hitting a record daily high this past weekend, according to the Yonhap News Agency. Stringent social distancing protocols have been implemented and will be in place for the next two weeks, with gatherings of more than two barred after 6 p.m., in a bid to get the situation under control.

Son Young-rae, a spokesperson for the Ministry of Health and Welfare, defended the new measures on Monday, according to the Herald. While acknowledging the effectiveness of masks, the Delta variant is more easily transmittable, he pointed out.

"When you run faster, you spit out more respiratory droplets, so that's why we are trying to restrict heavy cardio exercises," Son said.

That's one excuse to skip the gym, at least.

Lib and let die posted:

Mekchu posted:

lald, i read 'poster' as 'pastor' since i was reading an article about that korean pastor being an insane nutjob so that's where i got confused lmao

NIH media people posted:

The team found that the expression of mitochondrial genes involved in energy production was suppressed in the nasopharynx during acute infection. This shifted cells into a state where they produced more of the substances the virus needs for replication. The researchers did not find this suppression in lung tissue samples taken after the virus had been cleared from the body.

Tissue samples taken during autopsies from the heart, kidney, liver, and lymph nodes continued to show suppression of these mitochondrial genes long after the virus had been cleared from the body. The reason for this continued suppression is unclear. In tandem with reduced mitochondrial function in these tissues, the researchers saw an upregulation of genes related to cellular stress.

“The continued dysfunction we observed in organs other than the lungs suggests that mitochondrial dysfunction could be causing long-term damage to the internal organs of these patients,” Wallace says.

The team next used hamsters and mice to track mitochondrial function over the entire course of infection with SARS-CoV-2. They saw similar results in these animal models. Mitochondrial energy production was suppressed in the lungs during early SARS-CoV-2 infection, then bounced back once the immune system brought the virus under control. During early infection, mitochondrial gene expression was altered in the brain even though no SARS-CoV-2 was detected there, consistent with a systemic response to the virus.

The researchers also found a potential new target for treatment. They found that SARS-CoV-2 boosted expression of a regulatory molecule called miR-2392. This, in turn, lowered expression of mitochondrial genes involved in energy production.

captainbananas posted:

no one should be punished for making GBS threads on spanish manlove posts, IDC how they do it unless they go full turtle or whatever

Gildiss posted:

By mid 2021 in Korea there were wildly fluctuating dumb as poo poo rules that just upset basically everyone for no actual protective or preventative value.

This was during the delta surge, and by this point the subway commutes that I was doing were becoming very crowded, back to 2019 levels.
Workers would go into the office with varying quality of masks and then remove them at their desks.
Groups of workers would go to lunch at restaurants and maybe split into groups of 4-6 depending on restrictions.

Then once everyone got infected in the following omicron wave, everyone has basically given up.
I am the only person I know of here that has not been infected still, and they don't remember I haven't been infected either lol.

No Fast Music Or Fast Running: COVID Rules In Seoul Force Gym-Goers To Slow Down

SardonicTyrant posted:

I don't even know Bray Wyatt but I immediately called it on a hidden bout of covid, my gf didn't believe me until the news broke.

speng31b posted:

making GBS threads on posts is legal. Calling posts genocide is against the rules, unless you are able to provide sufficient evidence that the posts are actually genocide. I expect that would be a challenging argument to make in forums court.

Jokerpilled Drudge posted:

is this the av that boba had bought for herself and claimed someone else bought it? because lmao I think theres even more to the story

Mekchu posted:

it wasn't a hidden bout of covid, he had a heart attack.

like...the heart issue he had that the heart attack stemmed from was due to covid, but that's not a hidden bout of covid? idk what you're trying to say here.

Harold Fjord posted:

I think there was a bit of the exaggeration, given that genocide is literally not possible, and she was trying to express that the impact is disproportionately ablist, obviously.

But when the wrong people use exaggerated language on a comedy site it's a threat to us all

Insanite posted:

right speech has been a fundamental part of this site since its inception. it is the first part of lowtax's noble eightfold path and i plead that you sit with that.

Mekchu posted:

it wasn't a hidden bout of covid, he had a heart attack.

like...the heart issue he had that the heart attack stemmed from was due to covid, but that's not a hidden bout of covid? idk what you're trying to say here.

VomitOnLino posted:

https://twitter.com/SeanRossSapp/status/1694865077621359086

Very cool. Just the most normal things...
Also needing "permission" to talk about COVID... lmao