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DickParasite
Dec 2, 2004


Slippery Tilde

Glumwheels posted:

When I got my paxlovid prescription this week, the pharmacist had crossed out the 2023 expiration date and wrote 2024….

It wasn’t expired when I got it, I had three weeks left.

And now you've got a whole year left!

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Why Am I So Tired
Sep 28, 2021
Nothing new for anyone here but it's always nice having the stuff we're angry about laid out with some links.

https://twitter.com/kadamssl/status/1695592214842200340
https://www.thegauntlet.news/p/hospitals-are-killing-patients-because

Those NHS hospital acquired COVID numbers are dire.

The Demilich
Apr 9, 2020

The First Rites of Men Were Mortuary, the First Altars Tombs.



Welp, my sister who flew cut her trip short and left early because she's feeling "deathly ill".

I doubt she'll test and I know she got on that return flight maskless.

Gee, I wonder what illness kicks in after only 2 to 3 days and makes you feel like death? I guess I'll never know!

Car Hater
May 7, 2007

wolf. bike.
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Deathitis

Deathemia

Deathpathy

Deathosis

tangy yet delightful
Sep 13, 2005



fosborb posted:

watching rich folks run headlong into hard rear end librarians who wouldn't let them into the last day of the Davinci exhibit was loving incredible. people were pulling out checkbooks and poo poo to try to buy their way in

:psyduck:

If you would be so kind as to share more details so I can laugh more. Like I'm assuming there was a capacity limit or something?

StratGoatCom
Aug 6, 2019

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The Demilich posted:

Welp, my sister who flew cut her trip short and left early because she's feeling "deathly ill".

I doubt she'll test and I know she got on that return flight maskless.

Gee, I wonder what illness kicks in after only 2 to 3 days and makes you feel like death? I guess I'll never know!

:sympathy:

StratGoatCom
Aug 6, 2019

Our security is guaranteed by being able to melt the eyeballs of any other forum's denizens at 15 minutes notice


tangy yet delightful posted:

If you would be so kind as to share more details so I can laugh more. Like I'm assuming there was a capacity limit or something?

Also, the A/T thread for idiots in libraries would like it. Awwww gently caress, I double posted. :negative:

Pingui
Jun 4, 2006

WTF?
Not a particularly good piece, but as always it is good to see stuff like this mentioned at all.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/27/health/schools-indoor-air-covid.html posted:

Covid Closed the Nation’s Schools. Cleaner Air Can Keep Them Open.
Scientists and educators are searching for ways to improve air quality in the nation’s often dilapidated school buildings.
(..)
“We were supposed to have the windows open,” he said. “But the windows don’t open.”
(..)

Archived link: https://archive.li/OuI5Y

Modus Pwnens
Dec 29, 2004
I went to urgent care today because my uvula decided to become 3x as big and hang out on my tongue, and the doctor said she'd usually prescribe Prednisone and some antiviral but the antiviral was "on backorder nationwide" so she wasn't even going to bother. Then the pharmacy was out of the steroid too so I think maybe there's a lot of sick people right now for some strange reason

Pingui
Jun 4, 2006

WTF?
Related to the NYT piece (small excerpt to give an idea of content):

https://www.salon.com/2023/08/27/long-is-debilitating-children-and-doctors-worry-there-arent-enough-centers-to-treat-them/ posted:

Long COVID is debilitating children. Doctors worry there aren’t enough centers to treat them
Doctors and parents say it can take months to get treatment — if their symptoms are even taken seriously

When 11-year-old Jack Coviello contracted COVID-19 in January 2022, his worst symptom was a sore throat that kept him out of school for a week. A couple of days later, graver symptoms started to appear: gastrointestinal issues, tachycardia, panic attacks, and extreme fatigue that kept him sleeping 20 hours a day.

It would be a full month of running tests in which doctors continued to say Jack was "fine," until his pediatrician diagnosed him with post-COVID syndrome, also known as long COVID, and referred him to a specialized clinic, said his mother, Kelli Coviello, who is a principal's assistant at an elementary school in Massachusetts.
(..)

Griz
May 21, 2001


went to walmart, I guess this was the student return week because it was packed on a Sunday afternoon and all kinds of random stuff was sold out

two people in the whole place wearing a mask out of hundreds, me and an old employee dude I saw going into the curbside pickup room on my way out

cases are going to explode everywhere in the next 2 weeks because of all the students traveling

fosborb
Dec 15, 2006



Chronic Good Poster

Griz posted:

cases are going to explode everywhere in the next 2 weeks because of all the students traveling

for a FOURTH time?!?!

Precambrian Video Games
Aug 19, 2002



I would simply manufacture more medicine.

And if I've learned anything from Tradle, it's that every developed country in the world exports a significant amount of packaged medicaments.

The Demilich
Apr 9, 2020

The First Rites of Men Were Mortuary, the First Altars Tombs.



I love living in a psychopathic society!

fosborb
Dec 15, 2006



Chronic Good Poster

tangy yet delightful posted:

If you would be so kind as to share more details so I can laugh more. Like I'm assuming there was a capacity limit or something?

yeah, it was 12 pages from the Codex Atlanticus, never displayed in the US, at the MLK Jr Library in DC for only 2 months.

completely free, but you have to be there in person to get in line for that day and the line seemed to typically take about 2-3 hours to work through

the library is only open 1pm to 5pm on Sundays, and that was the last day. we got there at like 1:10 and we still didn't get in until 4.

by the time the text message said "hey, your number is about to be called, come back to the library," the waiting area was filled with people waiting for their name to be called, like us, and also several extremely angry people who were literally trying to write checks out to cut in line, who did not realize librarians are not normal Americans and this did not work on Disney theme park rules

while we waited, we talked with one of the librarians who said she was totally unphased at this point, but that as soon as 5 hit they were all going to drink heavily and experience the exhibit as long as they wanted to that night.

...

on the 11th page on display, which depicted mechanisms to power fountains, my wife and kids caught me saying to myself "oh, yeah, that'd work." they are mercilessly trolling me about it a full week later

Nothus
Feb 22, 2001

Buglord

Modus Pwnens posted:

I went to urgent care today because my uvula decided to become 3x as big and hang out on my tongue, and the doctor said she'd usually prescribe Prednisone and some antiviral but the antiviral was "on backorder nationwide" so she wasn't even going to bother. Then the pharmacy was out of the steroid too so I think maybe there's a lot of sick people right now for some strange reason

It's really loving crazy, but there are widespread shortages of all kinds of random medicines, like chemotherapies and heparin (of all things).

Complications
Jun 19, 2014

Nothus posted:

It's really loving crazy, but there are widespread shortages of all kinds of random medicines, like chemotherapies and heparin (of all things).

Yeah, it's a real mystery why there's a shortage of tons of drugs.

quote:

Pharmaceutical companies are reluctant to disclose exactly what they make where. The information is often blacked out on Food and Drug Administration inspection records, for example. The agency's statement following the tornado explained "disclosure laws prevent the FDA from providing a complete list of products made at the facility."

Pfizer declined an interview request.

NPR was able to use records from the National Institutes of Health to compile a list of dozens of drugs that are made there. They cover hundreds of billing codes that comprise different formulations and packages.

The products include a lot of painkillers and anesthetics that are used in hospitals and given intravenously. And there are also drugs like naloxone, which is used to reverse opioid overdoses, and vitamin K, which is used to prevent bleeding in newborns.

According to Pfizer, this site makes about 8% of all sterile injectables used in hospitals across the U.S.

Steve Yun
Aug 7, 2003
I'm a parasitic landlord that needs to get a job instead of stealing worker's money. Make sure to remind me when I post.
Soiled Meat
Korean study finds that many kf94 masks have harmful chemicals several times the recommended limit. These chemicals seem to come from the plastic packaging, so they recommend airing out your mask for 30 minutes after opening the wrapper

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37079939/

Soap Scum
Aug 8, 2003



Complications posted:

Yeah, it's a real mystery why there's a shortage of tons of drugs.

hasn't the fda also been increasing scrutiny on -- and even shutting down -- drug producers outside the united states / particularly india? could have sworn i saw a news story or two about plants there getting shut down including at least one huge one but i'm lazy to look rn lol

Poppers
Jan 21, 2023

Nothus posted:

It's really loving crazy, but there are widespread shortages of all kinds of random medicines, like chemotherapies and heparin (of all things).

Albuterol was on national shortage last winter when all the children were getting sick with assorted respiratory illnesses. Really horrible to see.

Tulip
Jun 3, 2008

yeah thats pretty good


Steve Yun posted:

Korean study finds that many kf94 masks have harmful chemicals several times the recommended limit. These chemicals seem to come from the plastic packaging, so they recommend airing out your mask for 30 minutes after opening the wrapper

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37079939/

drat, good to know

Gildiss
Aug 24, 2010

Grimey Drawer

Steve Yun posted:

Korean study finds that many kf94 masks have harmful chemicals several times the recommended limit. These chemicals seem to come from the plastic packaging, so they recommend airing out your mask for 30 minutes after opening the wrapper

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37079939/

:rubby:

Unseasonal Summer Flu Continues to Rage

quote:

An unusual summer flu epidemic continues. Flu cases normally mass in winter, but due to COVID preventive measures, there were no significant outbreaks in the last few years.

According to the Korea Disease Control and Prevention Agency last Friday, about 12 out of every 1,000 outpatients were diagnosed with flu. Their number has been decreasing since a peak of 17.3 per 1,000 people in the third week of July but still remains 2.4 times higher than the epidemic threshold of 4.9.

The biggest proportion was among children aged 7 to 12.

Meanwhile, adenovirus infections continue to spread among children as well. From Aug. 13 to 19, a total of 757 patients were admitted to hospital with adenovirus, 16.8 times more than in the same period last year.

Completely unrelated tidbit from 2022-04-09.

Half of Korean children aged 9 and below infected with COVID-19

quote:

The accumulated number of infected children in the age bracket reached 1,887,337 as of Saturday, according to the Korea Disease Control and Prevention Agency (KDCA).

That translates into nearly 50,190 out of every 100,000 in the age group being infected with the coronavirus, marking the highest infection rate among other age groups, the KDCA said.

The infection rate in the 10 to 19 age group was second highest, with 43,289 out of every 100,000 infected with the virus. (Yonhap)

And hell, why not. The total infection tally for that age group today. Though it surely includes many second/third infections by this point.

https://ncov.kdca.go.kr/en/bdBoardList.do?brdId=16&brdGubun=161&dataGubun=&ncvContSeq=&contSeq=&board_id=

quote:

Age - [10-19]
Confirmed - 4,223,709
Deaths - 24

Age - [0-9]
Confirmed - 3,263,224
Deaths - 39

Gildiss has issued a correction as of 08:24 on Aug 28, 2023

Rick
Feb 23, 2004
When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.

Why Am I So Tired posted:

Nothing new for anyone here but it's always nice having the stuff we're angry about laid out with some links.

https://twitter.com/kadamssl/status/1695592214842200340
https://www.thegauntlet.news/p/hospitals-are-killing-patients-because

Those NHS hospital acquired COVID numbers are dire.

This sort of thing really confuses me. Like at least the people who are at the hospital should be doing masks and poo poo, even if only for their own good.

DickParasite
Dec 2, 2004


Slippery Tilde

Rick posted:

This sort of thing really confuses me. Like at least the people who are at the hospital should be doing masks and poo poo, even if only for their own good.

Turns out a lot of the people in charge of this whole operation are dumb as hell. Who knew?

Buffer
May 6, 2007
I sometimes turn down sex and blowjobs from my girlfriend because I'm too busy posting in D&D. PS: She used my credit card to pay for this.

Pingui posted:

Only 14,654,538/20,000,000 courses had been delivered by July 2023, so unless demand rocketed to the moon over the last month, that is not a supply issue. It is either a logistics issue or your hospital not "hoarding".

https://aspr.hhs.gov/COVID-19/Therapeutics/orders/Pages/default.aspx

(also supposedly <10 million doses had been used, though that number is less certain)

Oh, good - we hoarded ours off a scrip from my wife's neuro during this time period.

So I'm all good RE: Poppers hospital.

Rick
Feb 23, 2004
When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8Y6kv2r/

Video that says oxygen meters are less effective for black and Hispanic people which may contribute to their higher rate of COVID.

also tfw the level of blood oxygen you are supposed to go to the hospital for is higher than your normal rate.

salient
Jan 2, 2021

Pingui posted:

Related to the NYT piece (small excerpt to give an idea of content):

just anecdotally i've seen some chronically ill and disabled teenagers talk about pretty harrowing experiences with the types of clinics treating me/cfs, chronic pain, and long covid. some of them had to sign "contracts" promising not to use mobility aids like canes or wheelchairs or risk getting kicked out. their descriptions of the clinics line up p neatly with the position that long covid is just a ~functional neurological disorder~. given how much mistreatment and neglect i've seen at peds residential psych facilities i wouldn't be surprised if that's also the case at residential rehab programs. the peds long covid outpatient clinics seem to focus more on getting kids to specialists beyond psych though, which is encouraging

Rick posted:

This sort of thing really confuses me. Like at least the people who are at the hospital should be doing masks and poo poo, even if only for their own good.

infection prevention is just hospital administration and hospital administration is just cost-cutting cops

Buffer
May 6, 2007
I sometimes turn down sex and blowjobs from my girlfriend because I'm too busy posting in D&D. PS: She used my credit card to pay for this.
I should really just laugh at the chutzpah of just about anyone claiming moral authority to condemn people at this point.

Rick posted:

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8Y6kv2r/

Video that says oxygen meters are less effective for black and Hispanic people which may contribute to their higher rate of COVID.

also tfw the level of blood oxygen you are supposed to go to the hospital for is higher than your normal rate.

yea, we have this problem with our devices. I'll try to explain via what my ape brain has absorbed from real scientists and stuff.

basically heme's optical properties change whether it is oxygenated or not oxygenated (blood change color based on oxygen status) - so you pop a pulse laser and a SPAD (a transistor that flips based on light) and some optics in a case and bam, you can tell how oxygenated blood is to a pretty good depth based on how much light scatters back to your sensor. But melanin absorbs some of the energy and your results aren't as good if you don't account / calibrate.

E: Oh I should point out that one way to mitigate this in addition to calibration around expected counts is to alter the wavelength, which is one of several things we did, but better wavelength lasers are a lot more expensive, sooooo.....

Buffer has issued a correction as of 13:47 on Aug 28, 2023

Fluffy Bunnies
Jan 10, 2009

:lol: I had an article recommended by Pocket this morning that was "should we have mask mandates back?!?!"

naw

it's fine

just die, I guess.

I'm actually seeing a handful of people in n95s or kn94s as of late in stores so that's an improvement. Walmart, too, so like; not uppity snobby stores or whatever. Hopefully more are masked soon. The more people trying to be safe, the better.

Fell Mood
Jul 2, 2022

A terrible Fell look!

Buffer posted:

I should really just laugh at the chutzpah of just about anyone claiming moral authority to condemn people at this point.

yea, we have this problem with our devices. I'll try to explain via what my ape brain has absorbed from real scientists and stuff.

basically heme's optical properties change whether it is oxygenated or not oxygenated (blood change color based on oxygen status) - so you pop a pulse laser and a SPAD (a transistor that flips based on light) and some optics in a case and bam, you can tell how oxygenated blood is to a pretty good depth based on how much light scatters back to your sensor. But melanin absorbs some of the energy and your results aren't as good if you don't account / calibrate.

I've thought often about that. Could you simply have a switch on the side that toggles the sensitivity of the sensor? It wouldn't be a catch all, as there is a lot of variation in how dark skin can be, but it's better than them all being calibrated for white skin. I'm thinking of the little home finger units.

tuyop
Sep 15, 2006

Every second that we're not growing BASIL is a second wasted

Fun Shoe

Fell Mood posted:

I've thought often about that. Could you simply have a switch on the side that toggles the sensitivity of the sensor? It wouldn't be a catch all, as there is a lot of variation in how dark skin can be, but it's better than them all being calibrated for white skin. I'm thinking of the little home finger units.

it seems trivial to have it auto-calibrate based on a stored range of relevant skin tone variations. then it either selects the correct laser or changes the wavelength somehow.

that would definitely cost money though, and people are already buying the bad ones so

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Gunshow Poophole posted:

yeah, it's awful. Obviously the treatment of incarcerated people is a loving nightmare in this country.

Not that I'm against adding to the canon of covid related literature, but... I can't imagine it's actually controversial to say that "riskier situations result in more infections".

at least this is another blow to anyone who would suggest that "current" vaccines are adequate, especially during Omicron. Holy poo poo that ratio sucks rear end haha

there's a weird dichotomy where the reaction to this news when I first saw it was "this proves that minimizing exposure [via masking and ventilation and social distancing], when combined with vaccines, can turn potential exposure incidents into ones where a person avoids getting infected"

whereas you have the absolutely correct take that this proves that a vaccine-only strategy is incredibly insufficient

Buffer
May 6, 2007
I sometimes turn down sex and blowjobs from my girlfriend because I'm too busy posting in D&D. PS: She used my credit card to pay for this.

Fell Mood posted:

I've thought often about that. Could you simply have a switch on the side that toggles the sensitivity of the sensor? It wouldn't be a catch all, as there is a lot of variation in how dark skin can be, but it's better than them all being calibrated for white skin. I'm thinking of the little home finger units.

they cheap out on the laser and the sensor so everything is already operating within tolerances on white skin if I had to guess

Pingui
Jun 4, 2006

WTF?
:confuoot:


I would love to live in this reality.

Jon Irenicus
Apr 23, 2008


YO ASSHOLE

Covid outages (and the ensuring labor dispute) likely led our school district to abandon a 40 year partnership with a bus company for their leading competitor days before the year begins and it's created a huge poo poo show

Gunshow Poophole
Sep 14, 2008

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Clapping Larry
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ahh ceding that there are good lockdowns are we nypost well

Pingui
Jun 4, 2006

WTF?
NYT doing what to me comes off as half-assed pieces, interviewing a clown brigade, appears to be the new normal (this article sucks).

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/28/us/covid-cases-hospitalizations.html posted:

Not Over Yet: Late-Summer Covid Wave Brings Warning of More to Come
Hospitalizations are still low but are on the rise in recent weeks, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
(..)
Even in the face of rising Covid infections, there is a balance that should be struck in schools now, said Hedy N. Chang, the executive director of Attendance Works, a national group that promotes solutions to chronic absenteeism.

“We got trained to stay home for every sign of illness during the pandemic,” she said. “We actually have to shift norms again, to being judicious and thoughtful about when we keep kids home, and only keeping them home if we think it’s truly a problem.”


Dr. John M. Coleman, a pulmonary and critical care doctor at Northwestern Memorial Hospital, said he expected Covid infections to continue to increase this fall and winter, but he noted that the most recent strains of the virus were less severe than those that circulated early in the pandemic.

People who are hospitalized for Covid now tend to have pre-existing conditions or suppressed immune systems that make them more susceptible to severe symptoms, he said.
“Moving forward, we have to learn to live cohesively with Covid,” Dr. Coleman said. “Covid is always going to be around.”

Particularly for people who already have health risks, he said, it is crucial to receive the new booster this fall, wash hands frequently and wear a mask if feeling unwell.
(..)

What even is the point in asking the person in charge of the group for sending kids back to school, if kids should be sent back to school? Or the guy that can't figure out that if people are already feeling unwell, a mask won't protect them? Idk, but the entire piece is a mish-mash without any clear point.

Archived link: https://archive.li/MZ9rB

tenderjerk
Nov 6, 2008
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Jon Irenicus posted:

Covid outages (and the ensuring labor dispute) likely led our school district to abandon a 40 year partnership with a bus company for their leading competitor days before the year begins and it's created a huge poo poo show

people are too myopic and stubborn to even consider residual effects

my org had this new group planned based on movements one of our directors was taking and then the guy got really sick with covid last year and eventually resigned so his pet project was scrapped and in its place we just haphazardly smashed the two groups they were pulling from for this new group and now I have an incompetent shithead with less experience and credentials than me as my manager

Buffer
May 6, 2007
I sometimes turn down sex and blowjobs from my girlfriend because I'm too busy posting in D&D. PS: She used my credit card to pay for this.
I swear the arm I got all my shots in was throbbing for a few days like it bore the brand of sacrifice and the astral plane was intruding, but everything seems fine now

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Pingui
Jun 4, 2006

WTF?
Seems bad.
"Scientists Sound the Alarm: COVID-19 Virus Is Rapidly Evolving in White-Tailed Deer"

https://scitechdaily.com/scientists-sound-the-alarm-covid-19-virus-is-rapidly-evolving-in-white-tailed-deer/ posted:

Study finds deer are virus reservoirs, promoting ongoing mutation.
New research has found that white-tailed deer across Ohio have been infected with the virus that causes COVID-19. Alarmingly, the results also show that viral variants evolve about three times faster in deer than in humans.

Scientists collected 1,522 nasal swabs from free-ranging deer in 83 of the state’s 88 counties between November 2021 and March 2022. More than 10% of the samples were positive for the SARS-CoV-2 virus, and at least one positive case was found in 59% of the counties in which testing took place.

Genomic Analysis and Findings
Genomic analysis showed that at least 30 infections in deer had been introduced by humans – a figure that surprised the research team.

“We generally talk about interspecies transmission as a rare event, but this wasn’t a huge sampling, and we’re able to document 30 spillovers. It seems to be moving between people and animals quite easily,” said Andrew Bowman, associate professor of veterinary preventive medicine at The Ohio State University and co-senior author of the study.
(..)
Rapid Evolution in Deer
Disturbingly, the variants circulating in deer are expected to continue to change. An investigation of the mutations found in the samples provided evidence of more rapid evolution of both alpha and delta variants in deer compared to humans.

“Not only are deer getting infected with and maintaining SARS-CoV-2, but the rate of change is accelerated in deer – potentially away from what has infected humans,” Bowman said.
(..)

Article proper:
"Accelerated evolution of SARS-CoV-2 in free-ranging white-tailed deer"

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-40706-y posted:

Abstract
The zoonotic origin of the COVID-19 pandemic virus highlights the need to fill the vast gaps in our knowledge of SARS-CoV-2 ecology and evolution in non-human hosts. Here, we detected that SARS-CoV-2 was introduced from humans into white-tailed deer more than 30 times in Ohio, USA during November 2021-March 2022. Subsequently, deer-to-deer transmission persisted for 2–8 months, disseminating across hundreds of kilometers. Newly developed Bayesian phylogenetic methods quantified how SARS-CoV-2 evolution is not only three-times faster in white-tailed deer compared to the rate observed in humans but also driven by different mutational biases and selection pressures. The long-term effect of this accelerated evolutionary rate remains to be seen as no critical phenotypic changes were observed in our animal models using white-tailed deer origin viruses. Still, SARS-CoV-2 has transmitted in white-tailed deer populations for a relatively short duration, and the risk of future changes may have serious consequences for humans and livestock.

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