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PhilippAchtel posted:People use automated tools to determine where other players live and when they go to work/sleep. yeah in a game where you can simultaneously run 14 accounts all with various different alliances and corps so that you can do stuff like scout for wardecs on a neutral alt and then login gank them with your decc'd characters, or suicide gank people with your 8 tornado alts or whatever this all feels very silly. edit: also this lol orange juche posted:Even with Elusif running a bot people still died lol iirc geese managed to lose at least 2 or 3 Orcas and maybe a Rorq? even with the whole thing set up lmao
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TerranRaida posted:I get made a director only a few months ago and people are acting like I developed this from my own brain on reddit and the eve o forums calling for me to get permanently banned. It's such a bummer to get railroaded like this. The best piece of advice I ever got as a semi-public figure was to read all feedback in Dale Gribble's voice because it conveys the exact level of respect you should have for people posting their speculation as hard truth. The corollary to this is never take feedback from someone you wouldn't ask for it anyways. Sucks you have to go through all this though. Worst case you get freed to go paint little plastic dudes?
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TerranRaida posted:I get made a director only a few months ago and people are acting like I developed this from my own brain on reddit and the eve o forums calling for me to get permanently banned. It's such a bummer to get railroaded like this. Let this be a lesson to you all. When goons ask for leadership just take a swift step back log out and go to the movies or something.
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you're a good egg for a d-name, d'ceet.
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no deceit with d’ceet #1 CSM of my heart 
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D'ceet - actually the straight man, ironically enough
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Aug 28, 2023 21:32
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Free elusif.
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Only with purchase of another elusif of equal or greater value
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How does the botting stuff even come out? Couldn't he just claim irl stuff has come up to justify his absence during any bans etc?
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The guy linked his public repository of bot code to his Discord account and also seemed to speak of botting stuff on what I assume is the Goose Discord what with the screenshot of talking about memory addresses changing breaking his stuff. Hard to imagine people didn't know what was going on.
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karttoon was banned for python injection and he did nothing wrong.
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lmfao it's like watching an npm repository get poisoned in a supply chain attack, truly eve is real
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Botting in EVE is bad?
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That Works posted:Botting in EVE is bad? the other botters are jealous of elusif's efficiency
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Elukka posted:The guy linked his public repository of bot code to his Discord account and also seemed to speak of botting stuff on what I assume is the Goose Discord what with the screenshot of talking about memory addresses changing breaking his stuff. Hard to imagine people didn't know what was going on. He’s also kind of famous for running a huge bot farm in the 2009-12 era and selling “eve gold” to a lot of goons.
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[robotically] eve online
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Elusif II posted:[robotically]  hello, my name is mr. fisule, and I come from... someplace far away!
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Is reading memory not allowed? I know writing to it is banable but thought reading was pretty standard. Isn't that how all the market assistants, local watching stuff, etc works?
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Elusif II posted:[robotically]
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ccp being unpleasantly reminded that the client is in the hands of the enemy
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"players are the enemy" explains most of ccp's business decisions over the past decade
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yoloer420 posted:Is reading memory not allowed? I know writing to it is banable but thought reading was pretty standard. Esi and logs ≠ memory. The market assistants will read esi, and TACO/SMT/other intel tools read chat logs. There is a tonne more info saved to memory that they don’t want you reading, hence it is not allowed. (Thats my understanding anyways, please someone correct me if you do this stuff)
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floppyspud posted:(Thats my understanding anyways, please someone correct me if you do this stuff) The Very Bad Thing they do not like is automated input of any kind, and the unfortunate reality re: memory reading is that it's arbitrarily decided most of the time. Sometimes it's okay, sometimes it's not. They had a huge internal disagreement over whether the twitch streams that show several overviews and local at all the major gatecamp gate choke points simultaneously on one screen violated the eula awhile back and ever since then it's been pretty confusing what is and is not allowed. In the end they allowed that. It's the same situation logs have been into for awhile. Some use of realtime logs is ok, some is randomly bad. The rule as worded is nothing that causes an unfair advantage, but the reality is that *most* market mover type bots are unfair, because the public ones suck. Edit: to be clear here, bot in this sentence means just something that makes decisions for you, not necessarily automatically. Basically, don't violate the automated input rule, and hope the rest of your hilarious stuff goes by unnoticed. windex fucked around with this message at 02:40 on Aug 29, 2023 |
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windex posted:The rule as worded is nothing that causes an unfair advantage Thankyou  for the very objective and clear rules!
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Seems like a clear distinction would be that both logs and the API (ESI) are information that CCP deliberately gives you to do whatever with. Should they decide they don't want you to crunch that data, they could just not write the logs or shut down the relevant API endpoint.
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Elukka posted:Seems like a clear distinction would be that both logs and the API (ESI) are information that CCP deliberately gives you to do whatever with. Should they decide they don't want you to crunch that data, they could just not write the logs or shut down the relevant API endpoint. The problem is that the client no longer has privileged information (everything really important is only on the node, now, so the old method of say, detecting cloaked ships by monitoring internal memory, no longer works). And on that basis, the problem with logs is the same as internal memory, the loglite interface spits out identifying data whenever somebody shows up on grid uncloaked. Chatlogs are not what other tools are using to detect people in system because they only actually get written when people talk in chat (including local), they don't update on someone just popping into local. They're (almost certainly) using loglite (or lying outright), and the difference here vs memory is one of formality. Basically, the rules are hot garbage, and so is the enforcement, but I tend to agree that automated input is an easy moral line. With that said, imagine how awful battleship/t2/capship production would be without bots stocking the market with the prerequisites. It would just be impossible without the collective man-hours of the mega alliances (that aren't bots).
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Kazinsal posted:the other botters are jealous of elusif's efficiency
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i like elusif and you rule loving losers can kick rocks
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ccp must be treated with respect the sanctity of the gamwe!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Rhymenoserous posted:Let this be a lesson to you all. When goons ask for leadership just take a swift step back log out and go to the movies or something. The worst part is I didn't ask for it! I was approached for the job! but alas, I would rather it all come on me than the homies.
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Kazinsal posted:the other botters are jealous of elusif's efficiency It’s this, OP
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40 lbs to freedom posted:i like elusif and you rule loving losers can kick rocks
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TerranRaida posted:I would rather it all come on me than the homies. 
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bots are good because it means less human beings interacting with eve-online, a bad game
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follow up drama on eve reddit about this lol and lmao
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CSM thread got locked this morning pending investigation. Today I learned that CCPSwifty is actually staff and actually has a TaySway avatar. This videogame and it's videogame elections are silly.
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