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This is an interesting, if somewhat nerdy, insight into how Keith’s Labour machine operates. When you shoot video on Pro Sony Cameras these days you have the option to shoot “log” which is essentially the same as a Raw Still picture - as in it has lots of colour depth and ISO information encoded in it but you need to process it in post production to get the colour palette and “look” that you want. If you don’t process it it just looks like a washed out grey mess. Now you don’t HAVE to do this, it’s really easy (like one menu click) to just have the camera shoot “normally” where it burns in a preset look to the footage and it’s good to go - looks good without any additional twiddling. Whoever Keith employs to do all his videos doesn’t know this basic fact. All their videos are shot log with no post processing and thus look like poo poo. So they’re employing someone cheap, inexperienced and without even a basic understanding of how the camera they’re using works. https://twitter.com/uncorrectedlog/status/1696713184961298659?s=46&t=m_nNbkNoHG4lLitcpyHReg
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Vast swathes of the electorate not only couldn’t give a gently caress about colour saturation in party political videos, but would probably also be glad that a political party isn’t wasting even more money on PR puff videos And most people won’t even watch the video, so why pay someone with expertise to shoot it when you can get it done cheap?
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Aug 30, 2023 06:42
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Labour : why pay a decent wage to someone who knows what they’re doing when you can get it done cheap Ok
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smellmycheese posted:https://twitter.com/uncorrectedlog/status/1696713184961298659?s=46&t=m_nNbkNoHG4lLitcpyHReg Well I fully expect to see a "desaturated" approach from a Labour Home Office too, so this fits.
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smellmycheese posted:Labour : why pay a decent wage to someone who knows what they’re doing when you can get it done cheap Hardly anyone knows that this is even a thing that people know that they’re doing right or wrong, almost everyone just thinks cameras take photos and videos and that’s just fine, this is just not something that is indicative of anything about the Labour Party or Keir Starmer whatsoever. Huge numbers of poo poo policies, right wing pandering, reneging on commitments, all of that matters. Not knowing how to optimally film seconds long clips of bread and parks because it doesn’t matter to anyone except a very small portion of the population is not actually a big deal at all.
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Aug 30, 2023 08:24
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Also “Why not Britain?” Is a loving dumb as poo poo tagline for the video, that’s much more egregious, it reminds me of Trump asking “what’ve you got to lose?”
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Aug 30, 2023 08:26
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Has anyone had any experience with credit card chargebacks? Booked a dishwasher repair with a national network, they contacted and sent a local small businessman round who said we needed a part - paid him for the install and the part (he needed to order it), after weeks of chasing he eventually came back, but after leaving I tested the dishwasher again and it was still broken. Since then have got the odd message from him (despite calling, emailing, contacting the network) about coming back but no booking confirmed. Luckily I paid via credit card - he had one of those mini chip and pin machines. Just wondering how successful charge backs often are. I suppose technically I’ve paid for a new part, but I’ve never received a receipt for it, so I’m just out £120 (the payment receipt didn’t specify that £50 was for a part) with a broken dishwasher.
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Aug 30, 2023 08:28
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Scientastic posted:Also “Why not Britain?” Is a loving dumb as poo poo tagline for the video, that’s much more egregious, it reminds me of Trump asking “what’ve you got to lose?” It's also already been answered: Because it's poo poo, we like that it's poo poo, and if you disagree you can gently caress off
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Aug 30, 2023 08:30
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Was hoping that bit about saturated film was going to be a modern day dodgy dossier reveal and metadata would reveal Keith's plan to sell out to Big Kittenstranglers Inc. The truth somewhat blander. I understand chargebacks are OK if evidenced and you don't build a profile as someone doing it on the reg?
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Aug 30, 2023 08:34
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I think the unsaturated grey dystopian look is a good coloristic decision for both Britain and a Keith video. Really sets the stage for the first half of a film.
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Aug 30, 2023 08:38
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Charge backs are usually fine. Also good practice not to pay someone unless they actually fix the thing they're supposed to, otherwise they're just a Wallet Inspector with a van
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smellmycheese posted:This is an interesting, if somewhat nerdy, insight into how Keith’s Labour machine operates. When you shoot video on Pro Sony Cameras these days you have the option to shoot “log” which is essentially the same as a Raw Still picture - as in it has lots of colour depth and ISO information encoded in it but you need to process it in post production to get the colour palette and “look” that you want. If you don’t process it it just looks like a washed out grey mess. Unfortunately, because so many films have had this washed-out look on release it's become the new normal, so others then subconsciously use it as a target appearance. 
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Lady Gaza posted:Has anyone had any experience with credit card chargebacks? Booked a dishwasher repair with a national network, they contacted and sent a local small businessman round who said we needed a part - paid him for the install and the part (he needed to order it), after weeks of chasing he eventually came back, but after leaving I tested the dishwasher again and it was still broken. Since then have got the odd message from him (despite calling, emailing, contacting the network) about coming back but no booking confirmed. Luckily I paid via credit card - he had one of those mini chip and pin machines. Just wondering how successful charge backs often are. I suppose technically I’ve paid for a new part, but I’ve never received a receipt for it, so I’m just out £120 (the payment receipt didn’t specify that £50 was for a part) with a broken dishwasher. Fun fact, you can also request a chargeback for debit card purchases although it's not a legal right: https://www.ukfinance.org.uk/our-expertise/cards/chargeback-and-section-75
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smellmycheese posted:This is an interesting, if somewhat nerdy, insight into how Keith’s Labour machine operates. When you shoot video on Pro Sony Cameras these days you have the option to shoot “log” which is essentially the same as a Raw Still picture - as in it has lots of colour depth and ISO information encoded in it but you need to process it in post production to get the colour palette and “look” that you want. If you don’t process it it just looks like a washed out grey mess. lool  
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Scientastic posted:Hardly anyone knows that this is even a thing that people know that they’re doing right or wrong, almost everyone just thinks cameras take photos and videos and that’s just fine, this is just not something that is indicative of anything about the Labour Party or Keir Starmer whatsoever. op said right in their post that it was a nerdy insight into party machinery and i for one enjoyed the schadenfreude i suspect this thread might be a poo poo read if you curated everyone's posts for importance tbh :/
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Aug 30, 2023 09:46
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Why bother to fix inequality when you can just magically have a bigger economy and thus a larger tax income Nothing can match the prosperity of the economies I can imagine
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also people watching the video may not have insight into the technical details of its production but they will know it looks like poo poo
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Gort posted:Why bother to fix inequality when you can just magically have a bigger economy and thus a larger tax income i can imagine an economy in which people have security of housing and food  oh wait that's remembering
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crispix posted:i suspect this thread might be a poo poo read if you curated everyone's posts for importance tbh :/ I'm sure it would be, I'm not sure I would equate commenting on something with curation for importance though You can find it enjoyable, I'm also allowed to think it's a silly non-point that dilutes the effect of more substantive criticism
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Failed Imagineer posted:Charge backs are usually fine. Yeah I don’t usually, but this was through a big national network, and only £50 for the part (the £70 call-out was to be paid anyway).
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I prefer to imagine that they did the post as best they could and he still came out as a grey blob.
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Scientastic posted:a silly non-point that dilutes the effect of more substantive criticism That's the only thing left. Everything's hosed, nobody is coming to save us Opposition has been eviscerated Nothing to do now other than laugh at the fact they can't even make a good looking video
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Look it's easy, we just take log-Keith: and give him a bit of that New Labour power:  Okay maybe a bit less;  Think they may just have hosed up filming this one. Payndz posted:There was a really good explanation in one of the CineD threads about why a lot of modern movies look grey and flat and unsaturated, where you never see a proper blue sky or vibrant green tree. The first footage the director sees is uncorrected log rushes, which gives them a mental baseline for what the scene "should" look like. After that, they're reluctant to crank up the colour and contrast too much in case it looks garish compared to what they originally saw. The little screens directors have on-set take a LUT so that they're never really looking at the log footage except by choice, sorry. Cranked black levels is just a trend, probably in part to do with not wanting to be perceived as a murky mess like later seasons of Game of Thrones.
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josh04 posted:and give him a bit of that New Labour power: Keith could never pull off the warlock-like power of early Blair. He doesn't have the juice! He's more "mundanity of evil" I guess. 
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crispix posted:i'll bet rach's spads put up that carlsberg ingurlur flag Nuffink more Ingurlish than Carlsberg m8 Scientastic posted:I'm sure it would be, I'm not sure I would equate commenting on something with curation for importance though I've got some good news for you OP, every post in this thread is speaking to the converted, the criticism being diluted is only being seen by people who already hold Kieth somewhere on a par with the sort of bacteria that only grows in the grimiest public toilet that the council don't even remember exists so hasn't been cleaned since decimalisation of the pound. Besides, speaking for myself, I have a near bottomless pit of loathing for Sir Kid Starver & his "project" of changing nothing except the rosette the PM wears. I can hate him for cheaping out on video production AND for being the DPP when exculpatory evidence that would have cleared Andrew Malkinson was buried and for being an economic liberal and several dozen other things.
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forkboy84 posted:Nuffink more Ingurlish than Carlsberg m8 
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Lady Gaza posted:Has anyone had any experience with credit card chargebacks? Booked a dishwasher repair with a national network, they contacted and sent a local small businessman round who said we needed a part - paid him for the install and the part (he needed to order it), after weeks of chasing he eventually came back, but after leaving I tested the dishwasher again and it was still broken. Since then have got the odd message from him (despite calling, emailing, contacting the network) about coming back but no booking confirmed. Luckily I paid via credit card - he had one of those mini chip and pin machines. Just wondering how successful charge backs often are. I suppose technically I’ve paid for a new part, but I’ve never received a receipt for it, so I’m just out £120 (the payment receipt didn’t specify that £50 was for a part) with a broken dishwasher. I’d go for it. They’re hard to defend even if you’re in the right, and they certainly don’t sound to be. Someone issued a chargeback for a beer in my bar which they say they never received. To challenge it I was asked for a signed copy of the receipt, and a copy of the back office transactions. As you can imagine that’s basically impossible to provide (especially as everything is contactless), so I’ve had to eat the £4.80 plus a fee to the processor which will be between £5-100. Fun! Red Oktober fucked around with this message at 10:56 on Aug 30, 2023 |
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Gort posted:Why bother to fix inequality when you can just magically have a bigger economy and thus a larger tax income "We lose money on every sale, but we make it up in volume"
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Please no one ever stop posting obscure things that might be of any vague interest that I would otherwise not come across during everyday drudgery
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Chubby Henparty posted:Please no one ever stop posting obscure things that might be of any vague interest that I would otherwise not come across during everyday drudgery Ditto. I've gone down a lot of interesting (to me & obviously the poster) rabbit holes on this forum - from obscure political items to IT stuff to new bands (and Twisto's (PBUH) long London architecture posts)! But not Monster Munch. I've still never tried it.
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I've tried it a few times because of the thread. It's surprisingly sour? Okay but a bit too strong taste for a regular snack.
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Lady Gaza posted:Has anyone had any experience with credit card chargebacks? I had to do it once because: 1. I tried to buy a Samsung phone with my credit card and it said the card was declined (no reason given). So I bought it with debit card. 2. They sent me two phones and DID charge my credit card, despite them saying it was declined. 3. I returned the credit card one. They then refused to refund me saying that a free case that was sent with it had not been returned (bullshit, it was unopened). 4. After a couple of months of trying to get them to refund, the 'CEO escalation' path on their website, and them saying that they were going to refund me, they still hadn't. So I did the chargeback with my bank. You get the money back immediately, then they do the investigation and ask for all the details. The forms they provide will probably be inadequate so you'll have to add extra pages. You submit it, they then ask the vendor for their side, they provide the response to you and you get one further opportunity to debunk it. It took about 3 further months before they said that they'd sided with me. Then a YEAR later I got an email from Samsung saying I'd get a refund (which fortunately never came, since that'd mean yet more mess). In conclusion, gently caress Samsung.
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Scientastic posted:I'm sure it would be, I'm not sure I would equate commenting on something with curation for importance though Yeah the visual quality of political propaganda is famously a total non-issue that has never had any major impact on politics. It’s a particularly interesting insight into the LP Media Machine because of just how basic this poo poo is. The difference between log and Rec.709 colour spaces is one of the first things you’d learn as even an amateur videographer/editor. It strikes me that they’ve likely just got some intern to download DaVinci and use a few YouTube tutorials. Particularly with how some of it is obviously ungraded Log and the rest is a total loving mess in terms of the colour grading. The public might not have words to describe this or consciously know what they’re finding off putting, but they know it looks like a shoddy, unprofessional mess and that matters.
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crispix posted:lool Meanwhile lighting experts are scromiting and begging everyone to please use lightroom or darktable.
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It does accurately capture the soul of Starman - obscured through a dark mirror of fag-smoke in some grim 1990s boozer with a flat roof and only horse-racing on the little CRT screen above the bar
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When I was in The Party, I created a little video out of all the various photos we had of our candidate etc, and posted it on facebook (it was given the thumbs up by all who had got pre-approval and they all - including the candidate - liked it). Someone in The Party (our CLP) and I don't know who but apparently they were some sort of video-making expert - complained about its production values (well yes basically it was a string of photos with captions) so the committee said I better take it down. Guess what the complainer never got round to doing a 'proper' video. That said, I don't think many people watch these videos through. FB says make videos 3 mins long for maximum engagement (or did anyway last time I was doing that kind of page management) but most people have quit after 30 seconds!
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