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lol. maybe i should but i've never really personally investigated that stuff because the vibe i get is that i'll mostly find it gross and disagreeable, and generally limiting of what storytelling can be
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it was funny listening to some of that noah caldwell gervais kotor video and half of it being him plainly talking about how much he hates joseph campbell and that he has to educate people about joseph campbell
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Sep 5, 2023 22:09
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The Colonel posted:the star wars eu is huge yeah but. a lot of how the goofier ideas of star wars trickle into the main movies is just... because star wars is a pretty silly series made by a silly man and the modern movies are largely corporate-driven reflections of the cultural idea of star wars. a lot of what defines the original trilogy of star wars positively isn't its deep philosophical or thematic content, it's that the first movie is pretty endearing cheesy fun that's very impressive for how it was put together and the one after it is just, a really well directed movie. and the one after that uhhh, has some fun sequences and a funny bad guy, but it's already where a lot about the series starts feeling more, well, video game-y and it came out years before a lot of those video games did. I mean I fundamentally disagree with that and it kind of bugs me. Star Wars is goofy and all but that doesn't inherently render everything it says valueless and meaningless. I think it's become that way because of the games (and movies and TV shows and whatever) and it certainly is now a horrible sludge of terrible ideas, but I still find Luke being willing to put down his weapon and trust in his friends and family a lot more compelling and interesting thematically. Then again I also like Newtype stuff in Gundam and find it more interesting than the WWII military wankery.
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Sep 5, 2023 22:11
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throwing into the New Vegas chat to say NV was def way better than 3 or 4, mostly by way of having actual choices and routes to take, and also with some genuinely good dialogue challenges and pathways depending on your stats. Everyone brings up the Lanius final confrontation but it's really that good of a moment---a boss battle without potentially a single punch thrown. It's a shame the RPG elements of Starfield seem completely muted with the skillset largely being flat number percentage gains, it's more of an adventure game than skillchecks and stat trees.
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Sep 5, 2023 22:12
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the kind of storytelling i dont like is more like, Syd Field than Joseph Campbell
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DLC Inc posted:throwing into the New Vegas chat to say NV was def way better than 3 or 4, mostly by way of having actual choices and routes to take, and also with some genuinely good dialogue challenges and pathways depending on your stats. Everyone brings up the Lanius final confrontation but it's really that good of a moment---a boss battle without potentially a single punch thrown. It's a shame the RPG elements of Starfield seem completely muted with the skillset largely being flat number percentage gains, it's more of an adventure game than skillchecks and stat trees. You absolutely can talk down the final boss in Starfield, I did. It isn't very engaging because the persuasion system is a loving mess but you can.
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Sep 5, 2023 22:15
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anyway i played more summon night 3 and i like that early on in this game you fight a rival gang of pirates who washed up on the island with you and have been stealing food from the villagers, and after that you make them work in the fields to grow food and they turn out to have a deep passion for farming and you can come visit whenever to help them deal with an invasive species of mole by playing whack a moleImpAtom posted:I mean I fundamentally disagree with that and it kind of bugs me. Star Wars is goofy and all but that doesn't inherently render everything it says valueless and meaningless. I think it's become that way because of the games (and movies and TV shows and whatever) and it certainly is now a horrible sludge of terrible ideas, but I still find Luke being willing to put down his weapon and trust in his friends and family a lot more compelling and interesting thematically. i think newtypes are interesting mostly because tomino's answer to growing disillusioned with the idea of them over time was to make turn-a gundam. after, writing crossbone gundam, where the main character abandoning his newtype powers is coupled with him meeting a monkey that knows how to pilot robots
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Sep 5, 2023 22:16
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Snooze Cruise posted:god i can't believe some dude finally unlocked the powerful truth at the center of all stories for the past uhh, let me check, 6000 years ago or so that encompasses every bit of this globe and its thousands and thousands of cultures, and it turns out that it resembles the worldview of a conservative hippie white guy. wow, who would have guessed. lmao The Colonel posted:it was funny listening to some of that noah caldwell gervais kotor video and half of it being him plainly talking about how much he hates joseph campbell and that he has to educate people about joseph campbell yeah it's wild
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DLC Inc posted:Everyone brings up the Lanius final confrontation but it's really that good of a moment---a boss battle without potentially a single punch thrown. One of my favorite final bosses, easily. It's full of great lines, too. "Violence gave you that strength, awakened you - I can see it upon your face, where two bullets left their mark."
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Sep 5, 2023 22:17
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oblivion should've had a part where you could talk down a boss by doing its insane persuasion minigame and figuring out just the right ratio of admiring/boasting/joking/coercing to get them to give up on trying to kill you
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Feels Villeneuve posted:the kind of storytelling i dont like is more like, Syd Field than Joseph Campbell hero of a thousand faces isn't even that type of book. its about mythology as a whole not a how to guide to writing. its just lucas had some plot structure problems with star wars, picked up a copy hero of a thousand faces and was like "oh i can beat this script into something resembling this." Then you got christopher vogler who began passing out memos at disney explaining the basic structure poo poo from heroes but for idiots and that eventually evolved into the writers journey.
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Sep 5, 2023 22:22
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The Colonel posted:oblivion should've had a part where you could talk down a boss by doing its insane persuasion minigame and figuring out just the right ratio of admiring/boasting/joking/coercing to get them to give up on trying to kill you That is basically what Starfield is. You're given a list of basically random dialogue options (sometimes *literally* random) and they are color coded from green (nice) to red (mean) with red giving more points than green and you have to max out your points. So persuasion usually is like "gently caress YOUR MOTHER GIVE ME THE KEYS" -> "I WILL END YOUR LIFE" -> Hey man, wanna go out for tea?"
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Sep 5, 2023 22:22
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that mod that replaces all of Witcher 3's combat with Gwent, except for the insane Oblivion persuation minigame
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ImpAtom posted:That is basically what Starfield is. I can't believe they brought back the dialogue wheel in pog form
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How much of Starfield is handcrafted anyway? Map Genie says there are six key areas, while the rest of the galaxy is No Man Sky fluff but with no vehicles to shorten the commute. Nobody would have faulted them for making the Outer Worlds with a budget and without the tired humour.
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Sep 5, 2023 22:35
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I had always thought that the bulk of the praise for New Vegas came primarily from its DLCs, moreso than the base campaign
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Sep 5, 2023 23:38
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that is the exact opposite of the most widely held views i've ever heard about the game
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Sep 5, 2023 23:42
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The NV DLCs are all fun genre diversions and which is the best/worst episode is an eternal debate but there's no way they're more popular than the base game, yeah. Literally the most famous aspect of New Vegas (the faction system, and the open ended way of resolving the game) is in the original game.
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Sep 5, 2023 23:47
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You know I never finished FO2. For some reason it didn't hook me like the first one did.
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kirbysuperstar posted:You know I never finished FO2. For some reason it didn't hook me like the first one did. Aside from the UI and control improvements the game is worse in every way. Especially the writing.
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Sep 5, 2023 23:54
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I think the overload of references and jokes got to me
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the high points of fallout 2 are a lot cooler than fallout 1 but it's also kind of a nearly incoherent overloaded mess. fallout rides hard off whether it charms you or not and i haven't really been into a lot about it in years so i don't really feel much of an urge to play any of the games anymore
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I remembered I had a Dragon Quest game for DS. Was hoping it was V but it turned out to be VI. I've never been too into DQ in the past, I fell off of VIII sometime after beating Dhoulmagus and fell off of XI in early Act 2, but I'm gonna give this a good go.
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They split the party in Sea of Stars Sure love to play with characters I've not practiced timing attacks with, it's great! I feel like Garl's plan makes absolutely no sense, I have no clue whatsoever where he heard of any of this poo poo and why they all go along with it. It's bizarre Taear fucked around with this message at 01:57 on Sep 6, 2023 |
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okay I have found the one interesting piece of writing in sea of stars and that is the relationship between Re'shan and Aephorul
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Taear posted:They split the party in Sea of Stars He gets a legit-rear end prophetic vision as a result of what happens to him and given the setting, nobody is gonna argue with that In other news, I have figured out a way to get infinite repeatable spa upgrades and so ask me in six weeks what it's like to have 999 stats It's fun, this game is fun
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Taear posted:They split the party in Sea of Stars
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Runa posted:I did like the duology of KOTOR and KOTOR2 being thematic foils to each other, though it wasn't until Noah Caldwell-Gervais did the homework that very few people bothered to and actually read Hero of a Thousand Faces that I actually learned just how much of Star Wars was just cribbing Joseph Campbell's notes.
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i dont think they do. there are after all, several stories in which a woman is the protagonist
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there are also several stories where the hero already exists in some sort of supernatural or elevated state from the start. including a lot of mythology.
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Ace Transmuter posted:I had always thought that the bulk of the praise for New Vegas came primarily from its DLCs, moreso than the base campaign Like two years ago I did a full replay of NV to refresh myself on it and also to finally play the DLC, since I never had before. I pretty much loathed all of the DLC for various reasons - Honest Hearts was like two hours of content and one halfway compelling character spread over like six hours of excruciatingly boring gameplay of going through samey caves, Old World Blues turns the "wacky slapstick" dial so far to the maximum that it breaks off and becomes deeply tiresome and unfunny while also being extremely long and having nothing but bullet sponge enemies that run at you at mach 30, Dead Money tries to shoehorn a very bad survival horror game into NV that feels like poo poo to me for numerous reasons(though I'll admit that the dialogue was mostly good), and Lonesome Road is several hours of Chris Avellone personally monologuing at you. The main campaign is still alright.
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I never really liked New Vegas or understood why it stood out against all the other cookie cutter Bethesda games but then again I spent my entire playthrough farting around the map and by the time I actually got to the titular New Vegas I was at max level and completely lost interest since i had no more character progression
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That's honestly impressive, because like half the game's content is in and around the Strip to the point where I feel like you'd need to consciously avoid it to level up that much without going there.
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Sep 6, 2023 14:38
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If this was before any DLC that's even more astounding
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Kanos posted:That's honestly impressive, because like half the game's content is in and around the Strip to the point where I feel like you'd need to consciously avoid it to level up that much without going there. I mean yeah I was avoiding it. My MO in those types of games (or in most games really) is to do as much side content available as possible before continuing the main quest. I hadn't counted on coming up against a level cap that would kill all motivation to keep playing tho
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FireWorksWell posted:If this was before any DLC that's even more astounding I played it on ps3 so no dlc lol
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fridge corn posted:I mean yeah I was avoiding it. My MO in those types of games (or in most games really) is to do as much side content available as possible before continuing the main quest. I hadn't counted on coming up against a level cap that would kill all motivation to keep playing tho i mean i can see why it wouldn't stand out if you literally never even began the proper main quest progression
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fridge corn posted:I mean yeah I was avoiding it. My MO in those types of games (or in most games really) is to do as much side content available as possible before continuing the main quest. I hadn't counted on coming up against a level cap that would kill all motivation to keep playing tho Most of the interesting writing in NV is part of the main quest; it's not like Skyrim where the main quest is a very standard "beat bad dragon" plot.
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anyway i tried out starfield. got bored in the tutorial. thats the end of my starfield story
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