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the us spent a trillion dollars to build a smart ai drone swarm that doesn't loving work the russians used a flying lawnmower
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# ? Sep 7, 2023 04:04 |
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9123 posted:
the US defense industry couldn't create anything by 2025 lmao if they started designing a new infantry rifle today, and the entire process went perfectly with no setbacks or hiccups, they might maybe start adopting it in service in like 2035, but we're supposed to believe they can start rolling out a robot army in 15 months
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# ? Sep 7, 2023 04:23 |
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Complications posted:fighting in ways that we know would work is impossible now, therefore we must try ways that we don't know for sure won't That's all this is. If I can distil it, everybody knows that a trillion dollars wouldn't be enough for Americans living in their contemporary society to want to be infantrymen in the kind of war a conventional conflict with a major power would be. Neoliberalism completely dismantled that. Nobody is going to sign up to be an infantry replacement for a society that gives and promises nothing. No infantry obviously complicates the whole war thing. America used to be able to make up for this with a preponderance of materiel. Lives are expensive, steel is cheap. Well, at the same time they were selling off public confidence in America, the neoliberals sold off the ability to make munitions and armaments. They can't rely on superior firepower to wear the enemy down, and they can't replace what they have. That leaves all of the stuff that's been cast about for since around 2000. Cyber warfare financial warfare, information warfare. These are all hoped for alternatives, even if they cost a fortune and their effectiveness is unknown, because not being able to provide men or materiel, for pretty much all of history, has ended in defeat. They will throw money chasing fantasy because they have no alternative. Frosted Flake has issued a correction as of 04:29 on Sep 7, 2023 |
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quote:Ghost Fleet Overlord is a fleet of test unmanned surface vehicles operated by the U.S. Navy.[1] Ghost Fleet Overlord is way too cool of a name to waste on a bunch of lovely robot boats quote:While technically "uncrewed", the ships carry a crew of six human sailors. Most of the ship's functions are automated, but can be carried out manually by the onboard human crew if the need arises. lmao
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# ? Sep 7, 2023 05:29 |
Lmao how is that 'technically' uncrewed, it is literally the opposite - technically crewed
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# ? Sep 7, 2023 05:36 |
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I'm gonna be honest, even if we were the People's Republic of America i'd try to avoid the infantry if I got drafted in revolutionary people's war
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# ? Sep 7, 2023 05:40 |
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Frosted Flake posted:That's all this is. If I can distil it, everybody knows that a trillion dollars wouldn't be enough for Americans living in their contemporary society to want to be infantrymen in the kind of war a conventional conflict with a major power would be. Neoliberalism completely dismantled that. Nobody is going to sign up to be an infantry replacement for a society that gives and promises nothing. No infantry obviously complicates the whole war thing. the focus on preventing as many casualties as possible for US leadership wasn't because of neoliberalism, it was because of Vietnam. The US didn't literally run out of men in Vietnam, but the country wasn't stable enough to wage the sort of war that required a draft for that long. There are too many contradictions in US society, and any of them can explode when you tell every young man they may die in a dumbass war in a foreign country. Neoliberalism further hollowed out the country, and, besides the draft, the contradictions that fueled the instability of the 1960s still exist. Some are even worse. Anti-war sentiment in the US during the Vietnam War was never hegemonic, but it was still dangerous enough to be a major factor in US decision making. The Vietnam War was the one major conflict fought by the US after the dismantling of Jim Crow, the system of formal apartheid in the US, and the US state developed another nationwide system to assassinate and imprison Black radicals during it instead. The split in the US ruling class right now seems mostly about which country should be blamed to try to resolve these internal contradictions. that's gonna go away when the Democrats fall in line on openly prioritizing China as the main competitor.
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# ? Sep 7, 2023 06:31 |
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Trabisnikof posted:Ghost Fleet Overlord is way too cool of a name to waste on a bunch of lovely robot boats Wait the idea isnt to drive these things into the hulls of other boats to explode? What the gently caress is their purpose?
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# ? Sep 7, 2023 06:46 |
KomradeX posted:Wait the idea isnt to drive these things into the hulls of other boats to explode? What the gently caress is their purpose? Their purpose is to make someone a shitload of money, op
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# ? Sep 7, 2023 06:47 |
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Slavvy posted:Their purpose is to make someone a shitload of money, op Touché
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# ? Sep 7, 2023 06:49 |
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9123 posted:
this owns, one billion americans here we come
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# ? Sep 7, 2023 06:51 |
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9123 posted:
When build these in Tears of the Kingdom they're really effective
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# ? Sep 7, 2023 07:41 |
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# ? Sep 7, 2023 08:19 |
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Frosted Flake posted:That's all this is. If I can distil it, everybody knows that a trillion dollars wouldn't be enough for Americans living in their contemporary society to want to be infantrymen in the kind of war a conventional conflict with a major power would be. Neoliberalism completely dismantled that. Nobody is going to sign up to be an infantry replacement for a society that gives and promises nothing. No infantry obviously complicates the whole war thing. Don't forget the semiconductor war and putting so much emphasis on it for some reason.
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# ? Sep 7, 2023 08:20 |
*muttering* Jesus Christ
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# ? Sep 7, 2023 09:20 |
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Tiny detail HUGE advantage
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# ? Sep 7, 2023 10:00 |
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this one weird trick to allow winning a global peer conflict
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# ? Sep 7, 2023 10:20 |
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Slavvy posted:*muttering* Jesus Christ reminds me of forbes advertising the challenger 2 and then report the first one destroyed by da orcs in a span of 24 hours
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# ? Sep 7, 2023 10:28 |
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KomradeX posted:Wait the idea isnt to drive these things into the hulls of other boats to explode? What the gently caress is their purpose? They’re mainly being pitched as sensor platforms for now that will get weaponized with missiles to shoot later. How that would actually help in conflict against China is a little less clear, outside of fantasies of some epic blue water fight.
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# ? Sep 7, 2023 12:19 |
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Trabisnikof posted:How that would actually help in conflict against China is a little less clear, outside of fantasies of some epic blue water fight. Just like the IJN was doomed to forever try to fight the Russo-Japanese War, the USN will not be able to escape that preoccupation.
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# ? Sep 7, 2023 12:21 |
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9123 posted:
So basically they can't recruit, can't retain and now its robots or nothing so technology maturity isn't a factor. Also everything is going to be 100% grift. Great. I'm sure that won't end up as expensive landfill with nothing to show for it.
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# ? Sep 7, 2023 12:55 |
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Propublica: The Inside Story of How the Navy Spent Billions on the "Little Crappy Ship"quote:Key Takeaways quote:On the morning of Nov. 23, 2015, the USS Milwaukee set out across the frigid waters of the Great Lakes for its maiden voyage. The cost overruns had made headlines, but with the fifth ship in the water, Navy officials were hoping the vessel’s performance would lessen the growing doubts about the project. quote:Given what happened on the Fort Worth and the Milwaukee months earlier, top Navy leaders “felt pressure to deliver a ‘win’ for the program,” according to the investigation, which called the pressure on Wohnhaas “severe.” One senior officer invoked the commander of the Pacific Fleet, Adm. Scott Swift, as wanting to use the region as a “testing grounds” for the Navy. Reached by phone, Swift said he was a “believer in the LCS” and acknowledged that he had encouraged the Navy to test new weapons systems in the Pacific. But he emphasized that it was not an order to deploy ships at any cost. “We made it clear if you want to take them off line, take them off line, but I am not surprised that people further down the chain didn’t feel they had that option,” he said. “The offer could have been perceived as an order, or taken advantage of by those that wanted to push harder to get a win out of LCS.”
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# ? Sep 7, 2023 13:06 |
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DancingShade posted:So basically they can't recruit, can't retain and now its robots or nothing so technology maturity isn't a factor. Also everything is going to be 100% grift. it's a real shame nukes exist because there's no better time for the PLA to invade and fix Americans
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DancingShade posted:So basically they can't recruit, can't retain and now its robots or nothing so technology maturity isn't a factor. Also everything is going to be 100% grift.
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# ? Sep 7, 2023 13:19 |
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gradenko_2000 posted:Propublica: The Inside Story of How the Navy Spent Billions on the "Little Crappy Ship" Every new thing I learn about the LCS is always hilarious
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# ? Sep 7, 2023 13:54 |
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gradenko_2000 posted:Propublica: The Inside Story of How the Navy Spent Billions on the "Little Crappy Ship" Lots of good US losing ww3 material here quote:Minehunting Failures quote:As Clark began sharing his vision, concerns began to brew among Navy shipbuilding experts, who feared it was overly ambitious and technologically infeasible. Clark was unbowed. quote:In keeping with his business background, Clark wanted as few people on the new ships as possible. “What I really want is an unmanned ship that’s got R2-D2 in it,” he said, recalling his thinking at the time. quote:The Austal ship, which was the basis for the Independence class, would be an aluminum trimaran — a ship with three hulls. The Lockheed Martin ship, which formed the basis for the Freedom class, would be a more conventional monohull forged of steel. The radically different designs meant that the ships could not trade parts or sailors, making them more expensive to maintain and crew. quote:General Dynamics and Lockheed Martin considered much of the data and equipment on the LCS proprietary — a problem that the GAO has identified throughout the military. As a result, only their employees were allowed to do certain repairs, former officers said. quote:One former officer said that a manual for a davit, a type of crane used to lower a search-and-rescue boat, was written in Norwegian. He said the Navy had to spend thousands of dollars to fly in a contractor from Norway to change two fuses
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# ? Sep 7, 2023 13:57 |
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grift-as-a-service
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# ? Sep 7, 2023 14:11 |
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literal combat ship more like figurative combat ship
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# ? Sep 7, 2023 14:16 |
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ModernMajorGeneral posted:Lots of good US losing ww3 material here to zero in on this, this isn’t a coincidence, they deliberately select for people who are not Academy graduates - who are undesirable because they have an overriding sense of corporate loyalty and identity that overrides a lot of the initiatives that they want to push through. So for example, attachment to a naval tradition would preclude a bunch of the things mentioned in the design and procurement of the ship. Someone who is educated outside that system, in this case the perfect combination of religious and business education, is the ideal candidate to oversee this project because he’s a self-proclaimed radical with a chip on his shoulder. He will sign off on things no academy naval officer would. He sees that as a positive trait and so will push through against institutional traditions and experience. In other words, people telling him it’s dumb acts as encouragement and that’s why he was picked for the position - to push through stupid, unpopular measures. As much as that’s a liability from our perspective from the perspective of the managerial people over at DOD that’s ideal. The language of “disruption” that a lot of people buy into helps this as installing outside hires to do something everyone in the institution hates, you see this in all areas of government, like the Forest Service, is seen as a badge of honour or something and not bagmen being installed to enact McKinsey’s will. Frosted Flake has issued a correction as of 14:21 on Sep 7, 2023 |
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Mister Bates posted:literal combat ship more like figurative combat ship Theoretically combat ship class.
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# ? Sep 7, 2023 14:20 |
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Frosted Flake posted:to zero in on this, this isn’t a coincidence, they deliberately select for people who are not Academy graduates - who are undesirable because they have an overriding sense of corporate loyalty and identity that overrides a lot of the initiatives that they want to push through. So for example, attachment to a naval tradition would preclude a bunch of the things mentioned in the design and procurement of the ship. It's late stage of empire stuff. Selecting people for positions of authority on the basis of traits that don't necessarily include intelligence or competency. Perhaps even deliberately selecting traits that are the opposite. It's like building a house with pre-rotted wood, slapping on a coat of paint and calling it good. You can get away with it for only so long because at some point physics will ensue.
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# ? Sep 7, 2023 14:24 |
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https://twitter.com/CNBCtech/status/1699771248480334291?s=20
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# ? Sep 7, 2023 14:28 |
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"Watch me sell alibaba junk with an NSN etched on it to these suckers for millions"
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# ? Sep 7, 2023 15:11 |
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what's extra funny here is that even in the very best case fantasy scenario the us would end up with most innovative military tech in the world, and absolutely no way to build any of it
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# ? Sep 7, 2023 15:26 |
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Cerebral Bore posted:what's extra funny here is that even in the very best case fantasy scenario the us would end up with most innovative military tech in the world, and absolutely no way to build any of it Bespoke hand-made microprocessors
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Regarde Aduck posted:it's a real shame nukes exist because there's no better time for the PLA to invade and fix Americans serious question what’s the shelf life of pre-clinton nukes? because it’s clear that even the nuke problem will eventually be solved by the only thing this wretched land can still produce: entropy
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# ? Sep 7, 2023 15:34 |
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9123 posted:
Oh no the Pentagon has found Dahir Insaat. We're all doomed.
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# ? Sep 7, 2023 15:42 |
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Isn't it the same reason Russia has an army of Lancet to shoot out every month and the US barely has any "Switchblade" to give it to Ukraine. Only Switchblade video I remember was the Ukrainians used it to kill a guard in a check point. I think LockMark should start buying up Jetski companies for "future expansion."
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# ? Sep 7, 2023 15:54 |
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Cerebral Bore posted:what's extra funny here is that even in the very best case fantasy scenario the us would end up with most innovative military tech in the world, and absolutely no way to build any of it
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Why is he cosplaying as Leon Kennedy?
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# ? Sep 7, 2023 16:11 |