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Taear posted:I'm kinda surprised how many people absolutely love it. To me it feels like reading 8 books at the same time chapter by chapter but I can't just finish ONE book at a time im really good at reading books. so this is a game meant to challenge book readers, hmm
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i think a lot of people doing this party member poo poo arent realizing that plenty of people first played these games as young children. so yes absolutely people used the big guy with the cool axe and the guy with a cool gun lmfao. come on.
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Kagaya Homoraisan posted:i think a lot of people doing this party member poo poo arent realizing that plenty of people first played these games as young children. so yes absolutely people used the big guy with the cool axe and the guy with a cool gun lmfao. come on. We're just riffing man have some chill lol
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Sep 7, 2023 19:15
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I didn't really use Blanka in Xenogears all that much.
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Taear posted:I'm kinda surprised how many people absolutely love it. To me it feels like reading 8 books at the same time chapter by chapter but I can't just finish ONE book at a time octo 1 simply did not have much of that c'est'la'vie
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it's kind of liberating to see a new party member and know instantly they're going to live on the bench forever
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Sep 7, 2023 19:26
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Looper posted:it's kind of liberating to see a new party member and know instantly they're going to live on the bench forever
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Looper posted:it's kind of liberating to see a new party member and know instantly they're going to live on the bench forever Amarant
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Sep 7, 2023 19:37
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OddObserver posted:Until the game pulls a BoF2. Heck, I'm gonna say it. I enjoy it when rpgs force me to use the crappier characters.
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Sep 7, 2023 19:42
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Feels Villeneuve posted:Amarant Lol this is exactly what I was thinking Srice posted:Heck, I'm gonna say it. I enjoy it when rpgs force me to use the crappier characters. honestly I kinda feel the same, but BoF2 is particularly rough where iirc with at least one of the forced-use situations you aren't really given any means to level that character, so you can be pretty completely screwed if you didn't use them and had no idea it was coming
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Srice posted:Heck, I'm gonna say it. I enjoy it when rpgs force me to use the crappier characters. Play Beyond the Beyond. 
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MockingQuantum posted:honestly I kinda feel the same, but BoF2 is particularly rough where iirc with at least one of the forced-use situations you aren't really given any means to level that character, so you can be pretty completely screwed if you didn't use them and had no idea it was coming There is a way around it insomuch as if you immediately benched Sten and never used him again until that point there's a basement in that area you can grind in and then you can go back up for free heals. It's annoying but thankfully ultimately manageable. Orcs and Ostriches posted:Play Beyond the Beyond. Heck, that's the best argument I've ever heard for playing it.
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Looper posted:it's kind of liberating to see a new party member and know instantly they're going to live on the bench forever That was Regal from Symphonia for me. Actually keeping his battle participation percentage at 0% was amusing to see. Presea ended up there after being used once, I think her percentage was like 0.2%.
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TurnipFritter posted:I didn't really use Blanka in Xenogears all that much. Veeg was a number 1 Rico fan during his xenogears playthrough and everyone was like wtf lol
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Sep 7, 2023 19:57
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Rico's Gear was loving hideous and his Omnigear upgrade only made it worse They did that man so dirty
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I always felt kinda bad for the developers that playable Regal has a unique movelist and playstyle that probably got seen by like, 1% of the playerbase. More if you include the people who did his colleseum trials I guess.
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Perhaps Xenogears would have been better if it was a visual novel that culled half the useless playable cast, since it cared more about the villains anyway.
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If you want to play Xenogears focused on the heroes just play Xenoblade 3.
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Only a third of Moebius were all that good, and they definitely needed a better backstory for the Canadian in charge.
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Feels Villeneuve posted:Amarant What's hilarious about this is I just watched a couple of speedruns of this game where Amarant was their main damage dealer. FFT has a good chunk of characters people never use also. Rafa and Malak are the obvious ones, but I always feel bad for Meliadoul for being probably the most central party member to main plot but coming so late, including after the character with all of her moves and all of two other characters' moves.
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Another issue with Meliadoul is that even if she had her entire skillset, you're nearing the point where if you are actually fighting a human, it's one with the maintenance skill equipped or as a boss job passive. I think in the PSX release, if you didn't break the armour slot, you did no damage. I end up benching a lot of named characters in FFT regardless. I start planning my party of generics pretty early so even when some of the better characters show up, I don't really have a need for them. I usually plan around Agrias though.
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Orcs and Ostriches posted:Another issue with Meliadoul is that even if she had her entire skillset, you're nearing the point where if you are actually fighting a human, it's one with the maintenance skill equipped or as a boss job passive. I think in the PSX release, if you didn't break the armour slot, you did no damage. All the Divine Knight skills did damage, but only if they had equipment in that slot, making her basically useless. I think everyone used TG Cid their first playthrough, but when I replay I usually bench him for Agrias.
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fft is kind of the worst intersection of uniques + generics design because building up the generics is like the most enjoyable part of the game's mechanics, and only a few uniques are useful enough that you'd really find yourself wanting to use them, and the game doesn't try to write any of them into anything important after they join so you're not losing out on that much by leaving them out of the fight anyway. turns your unit selection into a weird purgatory for characters who might as well already be dead
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Full unique runs are pretty fun, and even though you don't get Black Mages with the Samurai skill teleporting around and blowing up everyone, a group of Ramza, Agrias, Mustadio, Beowulf and Worker 8 are plenty strong enough to beat everything with their base jobs. But it's still deliberately limiting and you still have the problem of raising a character from the start to dump them in the final act for a character arguably less useful than them.
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Rhapsody 3 might have the dullest combat I've ever played in an RPG, at least most games that expect you to auto through 99% of it makes combat breif instead of making you watch every one of your 16 party members take their turn one by one.
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I love that Xenogears introduces Rico as a champion of prison fight club and he beats you up in an unwinnable scripted fight, then about 20 minutes later he's a party member who goes down in maybe 2 hits from any random encounter. I hated that at the time, but now it's funny to me.
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OddObserver posted:Until the game pulls a BoF2. highfort is the worst because of it haha
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I've always wanted a game like FFT with a mix of uniques and generics, but with more of a mechanical divide between them. Like you field six units, but two have to be unique and four are generic, or there's some sort of "recovery" system where after a unit has been in x number of battles, they have to be benched for a battle or two, or something along that lines. I always really liked both the unique classes, and being able to pair whatever classes I wanted for maximum shenanigans, but yeah they never felt like they lived well in the same game.Orcs and Ostriches posted:Full unique runs are pretty fun, and even though you don't get Black Mages with the Samurai skill teleporting around and blowing up everyone, a group of Ramza, Agrias, Mustadio, Beowulf and Worker 8 are plenty strong enough to beat everything with their base jobs. I think that was actually my party for most of my last playthrough, with my sixth slot usually occupied by a generic who I think was actually just a Chemist with Calculator skills
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Rico is introduced for and primarily associated with a long sewer dungeon, the gravest of JRPG sins.
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Chained Echoes is on gamepass! this is huge
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HopperUK posted:Chained Echoes is on gamepass! this is huge Still only had a chance to play it for a minute, too many dang games
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symphony of war is literally like the one game where the mix of generics and uniques did not bother me on some level
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ogre battle was good about that because you literally don't get enough uniques to fill out an army so you can make them squad leaders for the personal snippets, maybe make one or two squads full of friends
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Snooze Cruise posted:symphony of war is literally like the one game where the mix of generics and uniques did not bother me on some level
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Looper posted:ogre battle was good about that because you literally don't get enough uniques to fill out an army so you can make them squad leaders for the personal snippets, maybe make one or two squads full of friends SoW really made the most of that old Ogre Battle DNA and landed this better than anything. Now I really just want a new Ogre Battle tbh.
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phantom brave's approach is funny because you won't get most of the uniques until the post game anyway and because of how the game handles units marona is the only unique who really matters
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MockingQuantum posted:I've always wanted a game like FFT with a mix of uniques and generics, but with more of a mechanical divide between them. Like you field six units, but two have to be unique and four are generic This was supposedly one of the most frustrating "features" of The Last Remnant on 360, because you needed to use a unique to lead a squad and could only fill it out with generics. One of the things praised about the PC release was that getting patched out. If you have much at all in the way of uniques, being forced to bench most of them most of the time kinda sucks. As a self-imposed challenge it could be more interesting.
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OddObserver posted:Until the game pulls a BoF2. Thanks, I just had DQVII flashbacks. gently caress that entire Melvin/Mervyn sequence.
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disposablewords posted:This was supposedly one of the most frustrating "features" of The Last Remnant on 360, because you needed to use a unique to lead a squad and could only fill it out with generics. One of the things praised about the PC release was that getting patched out. If you have much at all in the way of uniques, being forced to bench most of them most of the time kinda sucks. As a self-imposed challenge it could be more interesting. you still get far more uniques than you do party slots.
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MockingQuantum posted:I've always wanted a game like FFT with a mix of uniques and generics, but with more of a mechanical divide between them. Like you field six units, but two have to be unique and four are generic, or there's some sort of "recovery" system where after a unit has been in x number of battles, they have to be benched for a battle or two, or something along that lines. I always really liked both the unique classes, and being able to pair whatever classes I wanted for maximum shenanigans, but yeah they never felt like they lived well in the same game. The Warcraft 3 of tactics games...
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