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Maybe they should move their Black Sea fleet to Haishenwai to protect it. Edit: 
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Sep 13, 2023 08:18
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russia's humiliation fetish is getting out of control
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Sep 13, 2023 08:22
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mobby_6kl posted:They said "a ship is safe in the harbor" but we showed those stupid westoids! I see a ship in the harbor. I can and shall explode. But if it wasn't for your incompetence You'd' be to Kyiv in three days
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Sep 13, 2023 08:32
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Zero VGS posted:Jeez, the US went all nuclear-powered subs in 1990, 2nd army in the world is still loving around with diesel? There's nothing wrong with diesel-electric subs. Shallow bodies of water like the Black Sea or Baltic, for example. If your navy has a coastal defense function, you don't need nukes. Sweden has diesel subs, because they're operating off their own coast.
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Sep 13, 2023 08:32
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https://twitter.com/alx/status/1701656123709722660?s=20 Pearl Harbor 2.0. Unprecedented escalation Who knows what mighty Russia might do? 
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Sep 13, 2023 08:54
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beer_war posted:https://twitter.com/alx/status/1701656123709722660?s=20 They might seethe and bomb a few more pieces of civilian infrastructure and towns/cities. Oh wait, they do that almost every loving day.
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Sep 13, 2023 08:57
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After surviving a winter without gas and being forced to eat roasted squirrels in the freezing cold, I was vaporized in a nuclear blast this morning when Ukraine attacked Sevastopol and Elon couldn't stop them. How could Elon let that happen?
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Sep 13, 2023 09:03
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Only Elon Can Avert World War Three.
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Sep 13, 2023 09:05
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"We figured out that this was kind of like a Pearl Harbor like attack...but then I was advised that I had no loving idea what a 'Pearl Harbor like attack' was, so then I really asked us to make me look smart and then..."
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Sep 13, 2023 09:08
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beer_war posted:https://twitter.com/alx/status/1701656123709722660?s=20 Yes, I remember my WW2 history very well - the U.S. had launched multiple attacks upon the Japanese homeland for over a year and then the latter was able to strike at Pearl Harbor, which resulted in- Hang on, I'm just getting word from out producers... Oh! That's not what happened at all? Huh.
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Sep 13, 2023 09:13
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beer_war posted:https://twitter.com/alx/status/1701656123709722660?s=20 This is the future that Horseshoe Leftists and Tankie spammy Dipshits crave. Let that sink in
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Sep 13, 2023 09:25
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Rust Martialis posted:There's nothing wrong with diesel-electric subs. Shallow bodies of water like the Black Sea or Baltic, for example. If your navy has a coastal defense function, you don't need nukes. Sweden has diesel subs, because they're operating off their own coast. Well I mean, nuclear subs can stay submerged for much longer. Which presumably means less time in harbor. Which means less opportunity of uh, this. So I guess that's one thing wrong with them, in hindsight.
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Sep 13, 2023 09:28
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Zero VGS posted:Well I mean, nuclear subs can stay submerged for much longer. Which presumably means less time in harbor. I don't follow.
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Sep 13, 2023 09:30
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Future of naval warfare
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Sep 13, 2023 09:37
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beer_war posted:https://twitter.com/alx/status/1701656123709722660?s=20 "I was put in a position where I had to decide who to support and I chose the guys invading, setting up torture dens, raping and killing civilians. It just makes sense when you think about it"
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Sep 13, 2023 09:39
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Elon Musk is really making it difficult for the US administration to uphold their "billionaires are above all laws" policy.
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Sep 13, 2023 09:41
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The_Franz posted:“Secret Service agents discovered Yeltsin alone on Pennsylvania Avenue, dead drunk, clad in his underwear, yelling for a taxi,” Branch wrote in his book. “Yeltsin slurred his words in a loud argument with the baffled agents. He did not want to go back into Blair House, where he was staying. He wanted a taxi to go out for pizza.” If this happened today you'd have a globally-available livestream of teens hectoring a drunk guy with buttons, maybe even stealing some slices out of his box.
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Sep 13, 2023 10:11
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beer_war posted:I don't follow. The nuclear fuel cores last decades, so they can forgo refueling and spend longer underway, thus presenting less opportunities to get hosed up as a sitting duck. I'm just wondering why Russia haven't completely phased out diesel, like the US did. US even ditched the lovely kitty in 2009 so now it's all nuclear aircraft carriers too. Wikipedia says USSR/Russia cranked out 245 subs from the 1950's to 1997, so like, why not ditch the jalopies and streamline the supply chain and training? beer_war posted:https://twitter.com/alx/status/1701656123709722660?s=20 Why are people (and Musk) giggling during this discussion? Seems a bit tacky considering the consequential massacres of civilians but maybe that's just me.
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Sep 13, 2023 10:13
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Zero VGS posted:Well I mean, nuclear subs can stay submerged for much longer. Which presumably means less time in harbor. Which means less opportunity of uh, this. So I guess that's one thing wrong with them, in hindsight. I don't think you can in general say which is better, diesel-electric subs or nuclear. It is common for weapon systems to be tailored to some specific purpose so diesel subs are better in some mission profiles and nukes in other. Like if you need a large nuclear armed submarines for part of your nuclear deterrent, nuclear powered subs are great because you can put them sailing and hiding in the middle of ocean for months without need to refuel. But if you are in shallower waters, need to operate very quiet (diesel sub when in electric mode) and don't want to pay tons for nuclear infrastructure for navy (so train engineers, build complicated powerplants in sub etc.) when cheaper diesel sub can do the same, there's no point in going nuclear. In fact because diesel subs can be relatively cheaper, you can get more of them. This is the reason Swedes and Germans for example operate diesel-electric submarines.
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Sep 13, 2023 10:17
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Zero VGS posted:Wikipedia says USSR/Russia cranked out 245 subs from the 1950's to 1997, so like, why not ditch the jalopies and streamline the supply chain and training? Diesel submarines can run silent and are cheap
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Sep 13, 2023 10:18
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Also, Russia
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Sep 13, 2023 10:23
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In NATO exercises the Dutch woul regularly clown the Americans using their diesel-electric boats by sneaking up to them, surfacing right in the middle of a carrier group and shooting off pretend torpedoes. They would also sneak into Soviet anchor places in the Mediterranean and make sonar recordings and take pictures and such. The sonar recordings are very useful intelligence because each ship has a unique sonic signature so you can track them using underwater microphones. This was all published in a book about some of the activities of the Dutch submarine fleet. Idk if it has been translates but it's a good read.
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Sep 13, 2023 10:28
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AJA posted:This is the future that Horseshoe Leftists and Tankie spammy Dipshits crave. Do any right-wingers point to these nutters and say 'these are people we can work with' or do they just simply refer to them under their umbrella term of leftists and leave it at that?
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Sep 13, 2023 10:32
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lmao at having to meet NK tin pot dictator to suckle the teet for ammo. lmao at NK thinking it's now relevant because it fired off some overweight, slow missiles and is meeting a fellow tin pot dictator.
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Sep 13, 2023 10:37
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Glah posted:I don't think you can in general say which is better, diesel-electric subs or nuclear. It is common for weapon systems to be tailored to some specific purpose so diesel subs are better in some mission profiles and nukes in other. Like if you need a large nuclear armed submarines for part of your nuclear deterrent, nuclear powered subs are great because you can put them sailing and hiding in the middle of ocean for months without need to refuel. But if you are in shallower waters, need to operate very quiet (diesel sub when in electric mode) and don't want to pay tons for nuclear infrastructure for navy (so train engineers, build complicated powerplants in sub etc.) when cheaper diesel sub can do the same, there's no point in going nuclear. In fact because diesel subs can be relatively cheaper, you can get more of them. This is the reason Swedes and Germans for example operate diesel-electric submarines. Also, there are drives now that allow for several weeks of under water operation that Germany and Sweden both have, so unless you need to spend several months under water, diesel-electric is the way to go.
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Sep 13, 2023 10:39
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Nobody tell Australia pls 
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Sep 13, 2023 10:41
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Zero VGS posted:The nuclear fuel cores last decades, so they can forgo refueling and spend longer underway, thus presenting less opportunities to get hosed up as a sitting duck. I'm just wondering why Russia haven't completely phased out diesel, like the US did. US even ditched the lovely kitty in 2009 so now it's all nuclear aircraft carriers too. The Kilo class diesel-electric submarine is a major export product for the Soviet Onion and later the RF. China based it's current generation subs on the subs they bought from Russia. Algeria, China, India (10!), Poland, Iran and Vietnam (6!) all have, or have had Russian built Kilo's for coastal defense. The Indonesian Navy was interested in purchasing two Kilo-class submarines. But in 2014 after inspecting the submarines, decided to cancel the plans. They said, "The submarines look good on the outside, but the inside is filled with broken equipment, and the two submarines have been in storage for two years." They went with a joint German/South Korean sub design instead. No joke, the Kilo class is planned to be succeeded by the Lada class. RBA-Wintrow fucked around with this message at 10:50 on Sep 13, 2023 |
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Sep 13, 2023 10:43
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Ah OK, thanks for explaining all those reasons. I was enlisted in the Navy but I guess I'm not a sub understander. The bubbleheads I knew implied nuclear subs were just strictly better. Wiki also says quote:Nuclear submarines can run even more quietly,[citation needed] at very low speeds only, by turning off active reactor cooling during silent running. The reactor is then only cooled by natural convection of the water. Anyway, here's a cool cover: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UkbPLnt-JY
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Sep 13, 2023 10:45
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ComfyPants posted:If legit, that looks bad Can I finally drag this out again 
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Sep 13, 2023 10:48
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I doubt it's really unconditional. The fight against imperialism, fought through imperialist wars of conquest. Edit: Putin finally found someone shorter than him Dwesa fucked around with this message at 10:55 on Sep 13, 2023 |
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Sep 13, 2023 10:49
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Zero VGS posted:Ah OK, thanks for explaining all those reasons. I was enlisted in the Navy but I guess I'm not a sub understander. The bubbleheads I knew implied nuclear subs were just strictly better. d/e boats run slow on battery. like say 2-6 knots. faster they go the faster the power runs out and they have to snorkel on the diesel to recharge and that is noisy as gently caress.
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Sep 13, 2023 10:52
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Kadyrov's fav dudes got HIMARS'd and he turned into the Bam Margera of the east
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Sep 13, 2023 10:52
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https://twitter.com/paulmasonnews/status/1701685041770705315#m Rose twitter's not going to be happy about this.
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Sep 13, 2023 10:54
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Musk saying something as stupid as that has probably got him on some kind of SBU poo poo list. Would not be shocked if he visits ukraine at some point and gets arrested as a foreign agent or similar.
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Sep 13, 2023 10:56
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Zero VGS posted:Ah OK, thanks for explaining all those reasons. I was enlisted in the Navy but I guess I'm not a sub understander. The bubbleheads I knew implied nuclear subs were just strictly better. I think there's not a big speed difference but difference in the amount of noise. Like when nuclear sub runs silent, the reactor itself is still making some noise so diesel-electric in electric mode is still quieter. Buuuuuut how much I don't know and would guess is classified. Maybe we should ask War Thunder forums. 
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Sep 13, 2023 10:58
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Dwesa posted:I doubt it's really unconditional. Unfortunately North Korea's production capacity is nothing to scoff at. They have the facilities and work force
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Sep 13, 2023 10:59
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Drone_Fragger posted:Musk saying something as stupid as that has probably got him on some kind of SBU poo poo list. Would not be shocked if he visits ukraine at some point and gets arrested as a foreign agent or similar. I doubt he ever leaves his house/pillow fort under his desk.
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Sep 13, 2023 11:00
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beer_war posted:https://twitter.com/alx/status/1701656123709722660?s=20  Holy poo poo the most painfully stupid man Oh yeah a surprise attack on a country at war for 6 months Right 
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Sep 13, 2023 11:10
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Sub chat: The Royal Navy has commissioned 32 nuclear-powered submarines over the years. While 21 have since been decommissioned, exactly zero have been disposed of. They're just slowly accumulating in dock, because successive governments haven't wanted to be the ones who pay for dealing with it. It's one major headache less if you go diesel. Edit: 22. The first sub will be fully dismantled by 2026, 34 years after being decommissioned. Pablo Bluth fucked around with this message at 11:25 on Sep 13, 2023 |
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Sep 13, 2023 11:13
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bratwurst massage posted:Unfortunately North Korea's production capacity is nothing to scoff at. They have the facilities and work force They also have stockpiles. Lots of stockpiles. Doesnt matter if the failure rate is 30%, it's still of more than sufficent quantity. Still, Russia of all places begging for ammo.
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