Sept CE: Feinstein dead at 90: SIX MORE YEARS!

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Discussion Quorum: Dec 5, 2002; Armchair Philistine

Lemniscate Blue posted:

Sounds heavenly.

Yes, but I could also do this without a 45-minute commute to sit at a different desk is the point.

(I actually do like being with my team, but there are many days when I would happily take that extra 90 minutes back if not for management expectations of 3 days in the office)

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Volkova III: Jan 5, 2021

Was it ever confirmed/denied that "Do you play War Thunder, or World of Tanks" is a question showing up in security interviews now?

# ? Sep 14, 2023 15:29

Tenchrono: Jun 2, 2011

Watch out someone just leaked the POH to the new Cessna 172 SP.

# ? Sep 14, 2023 15:30

CBJSprague24: Dec 5, 2010; another game at nationwide arena. everybody keeps asking me if they can fuck the cannon. buddy, they don't even let me fuck it

That Works posted:

It's been fun watching how wfh has changed our university system.

The Uni is split into several colleges, and within each colleges are departments. At the College level the Dean runs the show and sets the policies (including wfh). There are a few vice-deans and then the rest of "administration" cover things like student services, research administration, finances etc. Mostly a lot of accountants and related support staff and a few secretaries.

For 6 years we've had very competent staff that managed things quite well with almost zero turnover at all. After covid in the last 2 years our own Dean has enforced a strict "back to the office" policy. However this has only seemingly been applied to the administration, the vice deans and the dean themselves often take meetings via zoom and are remote for >50% of the work week.

A little more than a year ago our best two admins left for other jobs. Both of the jobs were just at other colleges within the same university, but they were able to get a raise as well and got substantial guaranteed wfh. I talked to both of them and they both said "when I was working in the office at on the day before Thanksgiving because I was told I had to, and I look across the hall and all of the deans never came in, I spent the afternoon applying for other jobs". I honestly never need to see these people in person, telephone or zoom meetings make no difference in how we work with each other for what they do. Since they have left a few others did also, basically we are now stuck with the terminal edge of retirement workers, or the people who were so bad at their jobs that they haven't had luck finding something else. The replacement's we have had have been awful, and in the past year we've had 4 people join and quit (for one position), some within <4 weeks. It's not the only reason I am leaving this school, but its a major reason. Our ability to do basic tasks and logistics has gone from a multi year stable process into a poo poo show with things that used to take an afternoon now taking upwards of 2 weeks and a ton of effort to finish. They have also pushed much of the former administrative tasks onto us to do which leads to further mistakes etc (I am not an accountant).

From talking with friends in non-academic jobs there's a similar refrain, and it's bad management every time. Basically everyone I know who has left a pretty good paying job in the past few years is doing so directly because of management incompetence / inflexibility.

e: of note for this forum, my Dean's also a retired officer

I also had a university job which went WFH due to COVID, only management of each department was delegated to its respective Chair with the Deans being more oversight. Between family health issues and the campus being ~110 miles away, when the school started to creep back to in-person, I told my boss (also a retired officer) I wasn't coming back in-person but would be willing to stay as long as they'd have me if I could make day trips over while doing WFH the rest of the time, even if it meant being rolled over to a new/different job title. (This system had worked well 2020-2022, as much of what I did doesn't necessarily HAVE to be done in a cube behind a desk with khakis and a polo.) This didn't fly and, after being told I would be let go in August 2022, ended up leaving in July.

I guess the college as a whole snapped back to in-person, and even the Chair, who, even pre-COVID, had earned the nickname "The Absent Leader", has been in daily. Meanwhile, he's announced his resignation and will be rolling into a new/different job title once that takes effect.

It took them 9 months to replace me and, when they did, the replacement quickly grew unhappy with the job and, after 3-4 months, has already told the Chair they're exploring new positions at the College and are gone as soon as their application goes through.

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Coasterphreak: May 29, 2007; I like cookies.

FrozenVent posted:

Periodic reminder that no matter your feelings on the ethics and legality of classification, some people in this forum need a clearance to keep their job so DO NOT POST LEAKED CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS, LINKS TO CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS OR SCREENSHOTS OF CLASSIFIED poo poo.

Thank you.

Also the part where even those of us that don�t deal with classified poo poo would prefer that our friends and family don�t have three lettered agencies banging on the door because we posted on an internet comedy forum.

# ? Sep 14, 2023 15:55

Tiny Timbs: Sep 6, 2008

Cugel the Clever posted:

but full remote work has negative consequences for society and our built environment.

Oh god is this going to be the next take the oligarchs start hitting us with

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Handsome Ralph: Sep 3, 2004; Oh boy, posting!
That's where I'm a Viking!

Tiny Timbs posted:

Oh god is this going to be the next take the oligarchs start hitting us with

I mean I'm not going to say all WFH is bad and shouldn't happen, but yeah it does have its downsides whether people want to acknowledge it or not. Though I think most of those non-bullshit downsides can be alleviated or solved outright.

I also think a lot of the "downsides" we keep seeing repeated are bullshit made up by real estate and other interests that want everyone to RTO.

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Bored As Fuck: Jan 1, 2006; Fun Shoe

Turn all vacant offices into rent controlled apartments and affordable condos. There, I've revitalized downtown.

# ? Sep 14, 2023 16:30

Tiny Timbs: Sep 6, 2008

Handsome Ralph posted:

I mean I'm not going to say all WFH is bad and shouldn't happen, but yeah it does have its downsides whether people want to acknowledge it or not. Though I think most of those non-bullshit downsides can be alleviated or solved outright.

I also think a lot of the "downsides" we keep seeing repeated are bullshit made up by real estate and other interests that want everyone to RTO.

Yeah I don�t necessarily disagree but I am on a hair trigger with conservative viewpoints that recognize downsides but don�t look to overcome them, or twist them into something they can use to justify staying with the status quo. Having a CEO tell me that forcing me into pointless office space in a city is the best thing for my mental health would be special.

# ? Sep 14, 2023 16:33

US Berder Patrol: Jul 11, 2006; oorah

Handsome Ralph posted:

I mean I'm not going to say all WFH is bad and shouldn't happen, but yeah it does have its downsides whether people want to acknowledge it or not. Though I think most of those non-bullshit downsides can be alleviated or solved outright.

I also think a lot of the "downsides" we keep seeing repeated are bullshit made up by real estate and other interests that want everyone to RTO.

That is absolutely the case. People moving to far out exurbs to wfh rather than in a city is a consequence of our insane housing policy. If we lived in a sensibly built country people could work from home in the proverbial streetcar suburb or 15-minute city. The populating of the residential-wilderness interface, if you will, is something that well predates covid, I think we just have new reasons to scrutinize it.

# ? Sep 14, 2023 16:37

Tiny Timbs: Sep 6, 2008

I can also be a little selfish on this topic because I�d rather eat a bullet than live in a suburb or city again so I�m thrilled at the opportunities to avoid that while still making a decent living

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Defenestrategy: Oct 24, 2010

Bored As gently caress posted:

Turn all vacant offices into rent controlled apartments and affordable condos. There, I've revitalized downtown.

Yea, people don't necessarily want to move into the exurbs, but if you no longer need to factor in commute in and out of the office it can be a lot cheaper to move out of the city core.

If you look at average rent in north Atlanta, anywhere nice is gonna run somewhere north of 1500 for a studio, alternatively you could just move out to Kennesaw and buy a house and have a mortgage around that size, and still be within a reasonable commute if you wanna to do city stuff on the weekend.

# ? Sep 14, 2023 16:47

pantslesswithwolves: Oct 28, 2008

Tiny Timbs posted:

Oh god is this going to be the next take the oligarchs start hitting us with

Rhodesian Lowtax already called remote work "immoral" so there you go.

One more fun anecdote: my organization has a remote work policy that says you're eligible if you live in a state contiguous with the one we're located in. I had a colleague who lives outside of that area and was hired with the understanding that they would travel to the office occasionally. Then the leadership decided to enforce the telework requirements, so they were given the choice of moving to the area or being fired for not being able to comply. So, they negotiated their resignation, and we lost a talented person in a specialized role who was a good colleague and got along with everyone. So you can imagine my surprise and anger when the leadership announced that their replacement had been hired, and surprise! They're based in another loving country and will never come into the office unless it's for an annual team retreat.

Meanwhile, the telework policy is so unevenly enforced. There are entire elements within my org that are fully remote and will never return to the office, and there are others- like mine- where the boss is slowly clamoring for people to come in three days a week or more. One of the reasons why I took this job was because it was telework eligible (therefore saving me a truly awful commute in Beltway traffic), and now that they're moving towards taking it away, I feel no loyalty or qualms about looking for another job since they're rescinding the terms under which I agreed to work for them.

I get that there are people who do better in an office environment, and that's fine- people should feel empowered to work in a fashion that best suits them. But under no circumstances should employees be forced back into the office because their managers are petty tyrants, governments couldn't take three years to figure out how they were going to reconfigure their downtown areas or CEOs spent a ton of money on commercial real estate that's no longer really viable.

# ? Sep 14, 2023 16:58

That Works: Jul 22, 2006; Every revolution evaporates and leaves behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy

CBJSprague24 posted:

I also had a university job which went WFH due to COVID, only management of each department was delegated to its respective Chair with the Deans being more oversight. Between family health issues and the campus being ~110 miles away, when the school started to creep back to in-person, I told my boss (also a retired officer) I wasn't coming back in-person but would be willing to stay as long as they'd have me if I could make day trips over while doing WFH the rest of the time, even if it meant being rolled over to a new/different job title. (This system had worked well 2020-2022, as much of what I did doesn't necessarily HAVE to be done in a cube behind a desk with khakis and a polo.) This didn't fly and, after being told I would be let go in August 2022, ended up leaving in July.

I guess the college as a whole snapped back to in-person, and even the Chair, who, even pre-COVID, had earned the nickname "The Absent Leader", has been in daily. Meanwhile, he's announced his resignation and will be rolling into a new/different job title once that takes effect.

It took them 9 months to replace me and, when they did, the replacement quickly grew unhappy with the job and, after 3-4 months, has already told the Chair they're exploring new positions at the College and are gone as soon as their application goes through.

I hope you are enjoying the current job. Its like you were in my department by that description. Lmao lovely bosses seem to come out of an identical assembly line

# ? Sep 14, 2023 17:13

Space Opera: Jun 5, 2011; That rabbit's got a vicious streak a mile wide! It's a killer!

My last job owned 3 linked buildings (the middle building was meeting rooms/c-level offices) and was in the process of moving everyone out of building 1 and into the already overcrowded building 3 so that it could sit empty for tax write off purposes. And they were talking of getting rid of our 1 wfh day and flex schedules to boot. Now my new job is making similar threats with a similarly overcrowded building, all in the name of achieving a "better work/life balance" :cripes:

Hearing the BS reasons given for these stupid policies is more infuriating than the changes themselves, just admit you think we are all slackers at home.

# ? Sep 14, 2023 17:28

Acebuckeye13: Nov 2, 2010; Against All Tyrants; Ultra Carp

LtCol J. Krusinski posted:

I sometimes make a point of reading leaked classified poo poo.

Im curious if they leaked collateral or SAP/SAR or if the F-117 program had been collateralized.

Ironically while there’s administrative differences there, legally as far as leaks go it’s the classified or not that matters, not as much the compartment or program.

Obviously that can be taken into account by the judge at sentencing but it’s not something that changes charges or anything as best as I can tell.

War thunder man, goddamn. I feel like there is no way the entirety of DOD CI and FBI CI doesn’t occasionally give it a check

From what I've been able to tell it was just parts of the non-classified flight manual that just isn't technically approved for export.

# ? Sep 14, 2023 17:41

Soylent Pudding: Jun 22, 2007; We've got people!

My office moved to an open floor plan right before Covid. My team is also split across three facilities in three different time zones. Also getting anything done requires collaboration with other teams that come into the office on different days. The result is 40 of us sitting in an open office where any given hour 4-6 of us are on separate video calls with either team members in another facility or folks in our facility who are teleworking that day. It's so stupid.

# ? Sep 14, 2023 17:52

MA-Horus: Dec 3, 2006; I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.

lol at having telework

My company mandated a full return to campus and canned anyone who could not or would not comply

Imagine the surprise when some very mission critical tasks were no longer being performed!

# ? Sep 14, 2023 17:59

Hyrax Attack!: Jan 13, 2009; We demand to be taken seriously

It was fun hearing arguments about return to the office to �think of the poor landlords.� My building at my MegaCorp is rented from a billionaire who�s dead.

I acknowledge WFH doesn�t fit all roles & many people don�t want to be at home, but I drastically prefer it & can easily do my work. Interestingly it has improved my connections with coworkers as I�m not particularly close to my team & don�t love hearing them gossip for hours each day, but only talking to them maybe 30 minutes a week in meetings we get along much better.

Wasabi the J posted:

I'm betting the oil and car industry were making GBS threads their pants about the loss of the whole commuter class and spent a few million on propaganda pieces like social media campaigns

100%, already some of the worst collection of people, if they could make it mandatory to drive 100 miles a week they would.

Hyrax Attack! fucked around with this message at 18:04 on Sep 14, 2023

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Mappo: Apr 27, 2009

I think my profession (software development outside the tech industry) will stay WFH. I got a new job during the pandemic and we were WFH partly because the building didn't have room for us. Everything we do can be done at home, this opens up being able to hire skilled labor from across the country instead of being stuck locally. Which is a problem if you need software development in loving South Carolina, a stupid state that prioritizes non-unionized blue-collar labor over skilled professionals.

This has actually helped me out for the best. I got fired from my crappy South Carolina job and began getting job offers from out of state who were looking to pay me nearly twice as much as I was making in-state. I now work for a national laboratory that is moving all WFH for whatever reason. I'm now planning on moving out of this stupid lovely state to be closer to friends. I owe that to being able to WFH full-time.

# ? Sep 14, 2023 18:04

facialimpediment: Feb 11, 2005; as the world turns

oh no they indicted Biden

https://twitter.com/jameslynch32/status/1702372901863776625?t=ykz8q7sk6C8Fhw---XILSA&s=19

(the hogged biden)

# ? Sep 14, 2023 18:33

FrozenVent: May 1, 2009; The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.

You need a license to conceal carry something of that caliber.

# ? Sep 14, 2023 18:39

Kazinsal: Dec 13, 2011

Hyrax Attack! posted:

It was fun hearing arguments about return to the office to �think of the poor landlords.� My building at my MegaCorp is rented from a billionaire who�s dead.

We used the pandemic as an excuse to say "lol we're not renewing the lease, you suck" to our landlord and downsize to a smaller, nicer office that doesn't blast the AC in the winter and the heat in the summer.

# ? Sep 14, 2023 19:14

pygmy tyrant: Nov 25, 2005; *not a small business owner

FrozenVent posted:

You need a license to conceal carry something of that caliber.

I thought the problem was more with him brandishing

# ? Sep 14, 2023 19:26

That Works: Jul 22, 2006; Every revolution evaporates and leaves behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy

pygmy tyrant posted:

I thought the problem was more with him brandishing

GOP Congresspersons were the ones displaying that one

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Robert Facepalmer: Jan 10, 2019

I wonder if there are any fun revenge porn laws they can tag on them now?

# ? Sep 14, 2023 21:24

M_Gargantua: Oct 16, 2006; STOMP'N ON INTO THE POWERLINES; Exciting Lemon

Coasterphreak posted:

Also the part where even those of us that don�t deal with classified poo poo would prefer that our friends and family don�t have three lettered agencies banging on the door because we posted on an internet comedy forum.

This isn't a thing

# ? Sep 14, 2023 22:19

M_Gargantua: Oct 16, 2006; STOMP'N ON INTO THE POWERLINES; Exciting Lemon

The only issue with remote work i've experienced in the past 3 years as has been said in this thread is

1) Management having preferences to return to office regardless of utility so they can feel empowered, to which my departments answer so far has been "lmao no" since we're a tiny group that is constantly profitable.

2) There is limited social networking in person now that personal interaction has been microtransactioned by social media and the work 'grindstyle' in the leadup to covid

Its #2 that is going to have clear and long lasting consequences because alienating labor from their community and coworkers even further is really bad for mental health.

# ? Sep 14, 2023 22:22

Cythereal: Nov 8, 2009; I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.

https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1702038735226028184?s=20

# ? Sep 14, 2023 22:31

Hekk: Oct 12, 2012; 'smeper fi

I�ve been remote for the past 2.5 years and it�s been pretty great. I am a hermit and work in IT with a bunch of other introverts though. We do everything over teams when we need to meet. If I feel lonely I go for a walk outside or ride my bike or something.

I don�t really care about climbing the corporate ladder this late in my life. I make good money, I have my mil retirement and disability, and there isn�t much else I need. My wife doesn�t have to work so we have plenty of time to spend together and do things whenever we want.

I emphasize with people who can�t work from home and recognize there are benefits for new employees in training and mentorship if it�s done in person. Given the option though, I am never going back to an office.

# ? Sep 14, 2023 22:34

Kesper North: Nov 3, 2011; EMERGENCY POWER TO PARTY

My company shifted to fully remote and everyone loves it, no plans to go back. Costs dropped, productivity spiked, and it's made everything we do easier.

# ? Sep 14, 2023 22:40

shame on an IGA: Apr 8, 2005

oh drat even the cute animal videos are hostile in this cruel age

but for real holy poo poo those idiots are lucky there was a park cop right there to save them from themselves

# ? Sep 14, 2023 22:42

CBJSprague24: Dec 5, 2010; another game at nationwide arena. everybody keeps asking me if they can fuck the cannon. buddy, they don't even let me fuck it

That Works posted:

I hope you are enjoying the current job. Its like you were in my department by that description. Lmao lovely bosses seem to come out of an identical assembly line

I was fired from my secondary, adjunct position because I didn't stay on through August to work the end of July promotional event suckfest I'd grown to loathe one last time.

After the situation was initially pitched to me, I had a moment of clarity and realized that spending 1 to 3 days on hot tarmac in a dark blue polo shirt for a place I wouldn't work for 10 days later wasn't a good life choice and peaced out July 5th.

# ? Sep 14, 2023 22:46

bird food bathtub: Aug 9, 2003; College Slice

Cythereal posted:

https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1702038735226028184?s=20

I don't....what the gently caress? What the gently caress is going on why are they running TOWARD the bear with children? This is my crack ping for today none of this makes any god drat sense.

# ? Sep 14, 2023 22:53

Comrade Blyatlov: Aug 4, 2007; should have picked four fingers

Selfies. It's ALWAYS selfies.

# ? Sep 14, 2023 22:57

bengy81: May 8, 2010

I'm a field based employee, and have been for 10+ years. I love not going into an office, and I would never want to work in one full-time. That being said, I do wish I had a local branch I could pop into on meeting heavy days so I could hide in an office when I have meeting heavy days. My kids are fantastic at ignoring that I exist, right up until I'm in the middle of presenDAD IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT!!!! CAN I MAKE A BAG OF POPCORN????

# ? Sep 14, 2023 23:06

My Spirit Otter: Jun 15, 2006; CANADA DOESN'T GET PENS LIKE THIS

SKILCRAFT KREW Reppin' Quality Blind Made American Products. Bitch.

man, all this job talk. i really, really dont understand why i thought it was a good idea to rejoin the military again.

i really like the relatively cheap housing, steady paycheque, and job i couldnt lose even if i actively tried, but im miserable.

i want to work in film and television, but im too big of a bitch to do anything about it

# ? Sep 14, 2023 23:08

Sy Borg: Sep 20, 2007; Grimey Drawer

Robert Facepalmer posted:

I wonder if there are any fun revenge porn laws they can tag on them now?

quote:

ArtI.S6.C1.3.3 Activities to Which Speech or Debate Clause Applies
Article I, Section 6, Clause 1:

The Senators and Representatives shall receive a Compensation for their Services, to be ascertained by Law, and paid out of the Treasury of the United States. They shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same; and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place.

A series of decisions from the Supreme Court address the general scope of the Speech or Debate Clause. These cases elucidate the distinction between legislative acts, such as voting or debating, which are accorded protection under the Clause and are not subject to inquiry, and political or other nonlegislative acts, which are not protected by the Clause and therefore may serve as the basis for a legal action. The cases suggest at least three noteworthy themes. First, despite the text, the protections afforded by the Clause extend well beyond speeches or debates undertaken by Senators and Representatives. Second, otherwise legitimate political interactions external to the legislative sphere�for example, disseminating information outside of Congress�are generally not considered protected legislative acts. Third, the Clause does not immunize criminal conduct that is clearly not part of the due functioning of the legislative process.

For the lawmakers, that would be covered by the Speech and Debate Clause. For example, Gravel v. United States involved Senator Mike Gravel of Alaska reading the Pentagon Papers, which were classified information, into the Congressional Record. I'm no lawyer, but both the dissemination of Hunter Biden pictures and the Pentagon Papers would be a criminal act if it weren't for the fact they were performed by a Member of Congress. The above excerprt from the Library of Congress seems to support this conclusion. Please let me know, I'm genuinely curious if I am missing anything.

Edit - Added appropriate citation to the relevant section of the Library of Congress Annotated Constitution for support. - Library of Congress - Annotated Constitution

Sy Borg fucked around with this message at 02:54 on Sep 15, 2023

# ? Sep 14, 2023 23:55

Pine Cone Jones: Dec 6, 2009; You throw me the acorn, I throw you the whip!

M_Gargantua posted:

The only issue with remote work i've experienced in the past 3 years as has been said in this thread is

1) Management having preferences to return to office regardless of utility so they can feel empowered, to which my departments answer so far has been "lmao no" since we're a tiny group that is constantly profitable.

2) There is limited social networking in person now that personal interaction has been microtransactioned by social media and the work 'grindstyle' in the leadup to covid

Its #2 that is going to have clear and long lasting consequences because alienating labor from their community and coworkers even further is really bad for mental health.

The "grind" is something I don't understand and just want to spit on the internet folk who can't get over the idea that work is all you should do in life. I don't mind being away from coworkers though, but I grew up and still remain a weirdo on the internet.

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# ? Jun 9, 2024 07:34

Robert Facepalmer: Jan 10, 2019

Sy Borg posted:

For the lawmakers, that would be covered by the Speech and Debate Clause.

LUV 2 DO CRIMES AND MAKING LAWS

(Note that laws make me immune from the consequences of my actions.)

Can't say I am surprised that this would be the case.

# ? Sep 15, 2023 00:14

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