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Torquemada posted:Isn't it her the hypersleep pod glass that transitions into Earth's atmosphere? Her face is obviously visible under it. Maybe. My only reason for bringing it up is it's such a deliberate shot, with intended meaning. Ripley represents Mother Earth. And this theme continues with Newt. And the dark counterpart - the Alien Queen.
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redshirt posted:Maybe. My only reason for bringing it up is it's such a deliberate shot, with intended meaning. https://youtu.be/lOews0rN1Uc?si=I4E0AmZt4G-s4cau It's visible in the last frame of this video.
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Torquemada posted:https://youtu.be/lOews0rN1Uc?si=I4E0AmZt4G-s4cau I don't think it has all of that hidden meaning redshirt was saying. I think it just means, hey look, Ripley finally made it back home! (for now)
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Pennywise the Frown posted:I don't think it has all of that hidden meaning redshirt was saying. Why include it then? Each composition choice is the result of lots of decisions.
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redshirt posted:Why include it then? Each composition choice is the result of lots of decisions. Because it's a great shot. They barely talk about earth in all of the movies combined so I don't see ascribing some sort of apparent value it has onto Ripley. Earth could be a shithole in that universe which is why you never see it.
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Pennywise the Frown posted:Because it's a great shot. Shots have meaning.
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redshirt posted:Shots have meaning. They barely talk about earth in all of the movies combined so I don't see ascribing some sort of apparent value it has onto Ripley. Earth could be a shithole in that universe which is why you never see it. And the meaning I put on it is that she is finally home. That's meaningful after her previous affair.
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It's left vague if Ripley actually was on Earth between her hearing with WT's board & when she agrees to go back out with the Colonial Marines. All we see is her windowless living space & know she works on the space docks, so it's a 50/50 tossup if she's still in that space station or on Earth loading up ships going into space.
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I was under the impression that she was just on a space station orbiting earth. We don't see actual Earth until AvP/2 and Prometheus (I think). But those are all prequels.
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Pennywise the Frown posted:I was under the impression that she was just on a space station orbiting earth. Unfortunately on the Quadrilogy/Anthology releases we do also.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnmMksVK8pY
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Pennywise the Frown posted:I was under the impression that she was just on a space station orbiting earth. It might not even be Earth. The transition shot shows her as a "Mother Earth".
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I think one of the alieb vs predator vs terminator comics is a sequel to resurrection, it wasn't very good.
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Azubah posted:I think one of the alieb vs predator vs terminator comics is a sequel to resurrection, it wasn't very good. Yeah it’s like the only Aliens comic I don’t have in its entirety because it’s so bad. The completionist in me rears its ugly head once in a while and says “you should buy the issues you’re missing” and then I re-read what I’ve got and say “yeah hell no”. I haven’t read any of the Marvel stuff yet, and I’m not entirely sure I want to.
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Okay I need someone in this thread to talk me out of getting a Jonesy portrait tattoo, thanks in advance.
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Modal Auxiliary posted:Okay I need someone in this thread to talk me out of getting a Jonesy portrait tattoo, thanks in advance. It's just a Cat tattoo, could be any cat.
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Modal Auxiliary posted:Okay I need someone in this thread to talk me out of getting a Jonesy portrait tattoo, thanks in advance. No. 
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This is fabulous. Imagine how tiny the chestbursters would be!
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Mad Hamish posted:This is fabulous. Now I'm picturing a movie where someone's just caught some shrimp and a chestburster pops out of one of them
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Sydney Bottocks posted:Now I'm picturing a movie where someone's just caught some shrimp and a chestburster pops out of one of them Mmm, shrimp and Xenos!
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Is there an upper / lower limit to the size of a host? Like, I'm sure there would be logistical problems if a facehugger tried ovipositing in an elephant or something, wouldn't there?
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Mad Hamish posted:Is there an upper / lower limit to the size of a host? Like, I'm sure there would be logistical problems if a facehugger tried ovipositing in an elephant or something, wouldn't there? This is an Aliens question I'd like to know.
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Mad Hamish posted:Is there an upper / lower limit to the size of a host? Like, I'm sure there would be logistical problems if a facehugger tried ovipositing in an elephant or something, wouldn't there? I think there was a comic that (ironically) said the smallest viable host was a cat, or something similar-sized. There was also another that had aquatic xenomorphs born from something shark-like, so I’m not so sure about the upper bounds.
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Icon Of Sin posted:I think there was a comic that (ironically) said the smallest viable host was a cat, or something similar-sized. There was also another that had aquatic xenomorphs born from something shark-like, so I’m not so sure about the upper bounds. God drat fuckin Xenos.....
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In Alien3 a xeno comes out of a medium-sized dog (or an ox if you watched the Assembly Cut).
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Oh, it was a crustacean and not a shark. Proving once again that in the end, ALL IS CRAB. https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Swimming_Alien
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I propose we ban all Xenos, in all regards. There is no safe use of them.
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What happens if a facehugger impregnates another adult alien? Is that where queens come from?
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Pennywise the Frown posted:They barely talk about earth in all of the movies combined so I don't see ascribing some sort of apparent value it has onto Ripley. Earth could be a shithole in that universe which is why you never see it. I think the "Mother" in Mother Earth might be the more important part. Basically Ripley -> Earth -> Nature -> Birth -> Babies -> Love -> Life -> Health -> Survival etc. I dunno if Cameron or anyone really thought specifically "Ripley represents Mother Earth" (especially since at this specific point in the series the only "Mother" had a decidedly negative connotation) and I definitely think it was an aesthetic decision first and foremost but I can see that dissolve trying to get us to mentally associate our heroine with an image life, abundance, babies, positive vibes and the like.
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Android Apocalypse posted:In Alien3 a xeno comes out of a medium-sized dog (or an ox if you watched the Assembly Cut). Yeah, but that one was adorable.  Maybe the smaller the host, the cuter the xeno gets?
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ChairmanMauzer posted:What happens if a facehugger impregnates another adult alien? Is that where queens come from? Queens come about in a few ways. The most common method is they’re born from a special facehugger that produces a Queen embryo. Those either come from a purpose-laid egg from another Queen (this is where Ripley’s Queen embryo came from), or a regular Alien captures a victim and “egg-morphs” them into a Queen-producing egg (this is what happened to Dallas in the Alien director’s cut). Alternately, a Praetorian (think of them like mini-Queens that can’t lay eggs but guard the hive) can evolve into a Queen. tl;dr: they have options
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i wish AvP had been better. it could have been loving great! just saw a deleted scene where Scar is dressing his xeno kill, and after making sure the human is watching him, he presses something that makes the xeno little mouth shoot out; human woman kinda screams and jumps back, and the Predator loving laughs, real quiet.
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Cowslips Warren posted:i wish AvP had been better. it could have been loving great! You and I saw a very different Lion King Movie
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I'm thinking about how the first movie had themes of technology intruding into humanity in this really menacing way, and how the subsequent films never really picked this up again beyond "corporations bad/stupid". In Alien, Muthur births these poor schlubs from its hypersleep wombs in outer space, totally detached from any other human reference or structure but their lovely economic function; cogs in the machine. Ash is corporate technology masquerading in this gross parody of the human form, down to milk and wet plastic tubes for viscera. He is a "person", but with everything not aligned with the company's profit incentive stripped away. No feelings, no relationships, no values but the directives provided by the company. This could have been the whole movie. But then you get the alien, this horrible biomechanoid that explicitly resembles what you might get if one of the crew members were bodily fused with their space suit. It doesn't appear to have any relatably human needs or desires but the drive to violently compete and survive. When Ash calls it perfect, he doesn't just mean that it is a strong, vicious and mostly impervious animal. He admires how it epitomizes the logic that ultimately required the company to create him and Muthur and a ship full of underpaid, contractually exploited truckers alone together in deep space. The alien is a glimpse of the future humanity is already headed toward. I love Aliens, but it totally abandons these ideas. The best proof of that is the series of relatable, very human "artificial persons" that appear in the subsequent films and began with Bishop. The aliens stop being biomechanoids and become merely very dangerous bugs.
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Zazamoot posted:I love Aliens, but it totally abandons these ideas. The best proof of that is the series of relatable, very human "artificial persons" that appear in the subsequent films and began with Bishop. The aliens stop being biomechanoids and become merely very dangerous bugs. You can't really blame Cameron for making Bishop friendly and more human like. He felt like he needed to go in a different direction from his previous film when it comes to artificial persons.
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Everything about Alien: Covenant is excellent until like shortly after they land on the planet. It's only 15-30 mins I think until long yawn happens but its great until then. I like weyland yutani space crews contracts and its always funny that pilots are from the american south.
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Young Freud posted:You can't really blame Cameron for making Bishop friendly and more human like. He felt like he needed to go in a different direction from his previous film when it comes to artificial persons. arnie_smile.gif
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Young Freud posted:You can't really blame Cameron for making Bishop friendly and more human like. He felt like he needed to go in a different direction from his previous film when it comes to artificial persons. It was a great twist I thought. Not only you, the Viewer, are primed to hate him, but Ripley, OUR HERO, is as well. Everyone is. It's in the movie. And then he's the most solid mother fucker. Fuckin' Bishop rules.
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Young Freud posted:You can't really blame Cameron for making Bishop friendly and more human like. He felt like he needed to go in a different direction from his previous film when it comes to artificial persons. Perfect avatar and post combo right here.
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redshirt posted:I don't agree. They were space truckers but they weren't dumb and they acted in the most common sense way possible. I really like how Ash was a bad actor, Dallas was overqualified and burnt out, and Ripley seemed like she had a stick up her rear end for wanting to go by the book. Ash knew he could push thru Dallas' (lack of) leadership and that Ripley lacked the rank or popular support from the crew to stop him
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