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I feel like she's trying to say "CBS are threatening the crew's jobs" but is legally not allowed to. Still a bad look, but obviously a difficult position for anyone to be put in.
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Vegetable posted:Plural because The View and The Talk and The Jennifer Hudson are all returning to air as well, but somehow they’ve all escaped scrutiny for this. If Barrymore has anything to legitimately be upset about it's this. With the other shows that immediately followed her announcement (very likely strategically waiting for someone else to take the fall) attacking her seems almost like punching down.
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A bit of managing expectations on next week's talks, via this thread from writer David Slack. Summary: the AMPTP could be using an old union-busting tactic, in which they: A. Announce to the press that they're willing to come back to the table, getting everyone's hopes up B. Tell the WGA that they're only willing to negotiate if we fully remove one or more demands from the table C. When the guild holds their ground, call off the meeting and publicly blame the guild for being unwilling to negotiate D. Hopefully sow discord among rank-and-file members and other industry players Of course, we have no idea if this what they're actually planning, but considering how the AMPTP strategy thus far has been "don't negotiate," it's certainly a possibility. I'm proceeding with extremely cautious optimism.
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Just nothing at all. Nothing can be done. Better scab.
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Argyle posted:Of course, we have no idea if this what they're actually planning, but considering how the AMPTP strategy thus far has been "don't negotiate," it's certainly a possibility.
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Rollie Fingers posted:Not that I expect most Americans to care, but the CEOs prolonging the strike is having a devastating effect on the VFX industry around the world, which their money spinning blockbusters and TV shows rely on. I'm curious, will people find work in the other film industries like those in China and India that are increasingly driven by digital effects spectacles?
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Barrymore apparently deleted that 'apology' video
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Both The Rock and John Cena returned on Smackdown just now so you know what they will do under the strike.
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High Warlord Zog posted:I'm curious, will people find work in the other film industries like those in China and India that are increasingly driven by digital effects spectacles? I don’t think that’ll happen any time soon. Artists in India are paid a pittance, like 5-10x less than an American or Canadian. India is used for its enormous supply of cheap artists and for labour arbitrage purposes. There isn’t a need for more expensive foreign talent there. A few western VFX companies already have a presence in China. China doesn’t yet require a big influx of VFX artists though. The country hasn’t reached the point where it has 50 projects in post production at the same time, each requiring 1000+ VFX shots. I could imagine it being a bigger market in the future though. People in VFX are and will be leaving for games, medical imaging and AR. The cost of brain drain is going to be pretty high.
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lomzus posted:Both The Rock and John Cena returned on Smackdown just now so you know what they will do under the strike. Johnson also donated $10m+ to the SAG strike fund earlier this year.
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Variety published a study of some streaming stats related to show endings and cancellations although most of it is hidden behind a paywall. https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/streaming-services-cancellations-study-hbo-max-highest-1235718137/ Some of the data they shared publicly is the rates at which the streamers cancel their shows:  Probably no surprise about Max topping the list but Netflix being so low and Disney so high is probably not what people expect given how people talk about them. Caveat being that the study being paywalled (lol I'm not paying Variety for that) means that it's not possible to get the exact data but from reading the article it covers both scripted and unscripted. And I assume it isn't counting licensed series but it doesn't explicitly say that.
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kliras posted:you love to see it Given what a shitbag he is, I’ll wait till Newsom signs it before celebrating.
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koolkal posted:Probably no surprise about Max topping the list but Netflix being so low and Disney so high is probably not what people expect given how people talk about them. I think the percentages are skewed because Netflix rolls out a metric fuckton of shows every month, and so while it cancels a lot of them, a lot of the chaff just hangs around. Conversely, Disney+ doesn't have a ton of original series, so when it cancels shows, proportionately the rate is higher.
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koolkal posted:Johnson also donated $10m+ to the SAG strike fund earlier this year. I've heard people speculate that he only did it to get out from under that whole Black Adam PR mess he was in because why would it be made public if he didn't leak it, but like, sooooooo many other people would've done sooooooo much less in sooooo many worse ways, if that's even true.
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Yeah, I think if you were just a egotistical dick (and not a sex pest or serial harasser) then being a union guy and giving a lot of money is a good way to still get invited to the good parties.
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Turns out everybody shouting at you works because Drew Barrymore has agreed to stop production of her show until the strike is resolved.
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Time for everyone to shout at Bill Maher and those other 2-4 talk shows that were also coming back but tried to stay under the radar while Drew Barrymore drew all the fire
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muscles like this! posted:Turns out everybody shouting at you works because Drew Barrymore has agreed to stop production of her show until the strike is resolved.
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I feel like Bill Maher is enough of a shitbag that any attempt to shame him into not scabbing will just lead to him ranting about entitled children trying to cancel him
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Publicly shaming Bill Maher hasn't stopped him from being a piece of poo poo before
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MagusDraco posted:Time for everyone to shout at Bill Maher and those other 2-4 talk shows that were also coming back but tried to stay under the radar while Drew Barrymore drew all the fire Other CBS show the talk is following suit: https://twitter.com/variety/status/1703452102507258045?s=46
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DarklyDreaming posted:I feel like Bill Maher is enough of a shitbag that any attempt to shame him into not scabbing will just lead to him ranting about entitled children trying to cancel him He's already on record as thinking writers aren't entitled to a living wage so Maher can be safely written off.
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Dawgstar posted:He's already on record as thinking writers aren't entitled to a living wage so Maher can be safely written off. Yeah, Maher's said and done all sorts of career-ending poo poo and suffered no consequences for any of it. And every attempt to call him out on that just makes him all that more recalcitrant. Also Maher's always been a ladder-sawing ratfuck. He's an English major who managed to make money with an English degree by being a writer, and instead of helping other aspiring artists find success, he went "got mine, gently caress you" instead. nine-gear crow fucked around with this message at 18:58 on Sep 17, 2023 |
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I wonder how much of this is caving to pressure, and how much is realising that they can't actually produce a show they can stomach airing without writers, or guests who are actors.
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I think with Drew Barrymore, she was just out of her depth, despite her pedigree. Her heart is in the right place but her brain is two towns over. She means well but that bubble of wealth is potent. While I thought she should have REALLY spoken to the people affected by the strike, her crew, uh literally anyone with an ear to the ground, she did change course and realize that this isn’t the way to go. She owned up to loving up. That is a rare thing, and good on her for doing so. Bill Maher is not owed a living. Maher is owed absolutely zilch. Anyone can go into YouTube and find an insufferable white man and idiot sycophants who agree with them. Probably with a higher viewership, like it’s not 1999 anymore. If he comes back, who cares? I mean, I didn’t even know he had a show again. What, is Spin City also coming back??
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Bill absolutely subsists on being a shitheel, I would assume he is hoping to bring himself attention with all of this and best thing to do is just keep ignoring him. His very nature makes it counter productive to even dunk on him
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https://twitter.com/flying_lobster/status/1703498820511039865?s=46 Today I learned Dancing with the Stars is a WGA show (through its exec producer, who’s apparently it’s sole writer but it counts)
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Khanstant posted:Bill absolutely subsists on being a shitheel, I would assume he is hoping to bring himself attention with all of this and best thing to do is just keep ignoring him. His very nature makes it counter productive to even dunk on him His whole schtick is being a contrarian rear end in a top hat which makes you a fence sitter but an rear end in a top hat about it.
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Dawgstar posted:Isn't Maher WGA? Can't he be kicked out for this? He is, but he's claiming he won't do any pre-written stuff, so it's all okay. He's still thumbing his nose at the people on strike, but it's what you'd expect from Bill Maher unfortunately. I'd guess the WGA will just ignore him because for people like him any negative attention is a win in their eyes.
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fart blood posted:I saw a comment on reddit (I know) saying they wonder if they’re all pausing production because they got an inside tip the writers are gonna get offered a good deal this week anyway so may as well wait for the guild to approve it.
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fart blood posted:I saw a comment on reddit (I know) saying they wonder if they’re all pausing production because they got an inside tip the writers are gonna get offered a good deal this week anyway so may as well wait for the guild to approve it. I heard the studios are on a January production schedule, which means they don't expect anything resolved before the end of the year. If the studios are making these internal decisions, I am not confident they are offering any deals in good faith.
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kliras posted:there's always dramaturgy in reality tv, so i guess that makes sense There’s also a lot of actual writing. My partner works in “unscripted” and she does as much writing as I do on my scripted show. Probably more, tbh.
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VorpalBunny posted:I heard the studios are on a January production schedule, which means they don't expect anything resolved before the end of the year. If the studios are making these internal decisions, I am not confident they are offering any deals in good faith. If January is the start though, then they gotta get everyone back NOW.
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fart blood posted:If January is the start though, then they gotta get everyone back NOW. That would be the sensible response, but I bet they think they can just have people film without (finalised) scripts. Consistent with their logic so far tbh.
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