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redshirt posted:I love how often SG teams say "gently caress your Prime Directive". pixaal posted:you mean war criming? It helps that the vast majority of the civilizations they encounter are basically on life support because of the Goa'uld (helps for the budget too). It would be kinda silly to go "we can't directly help these guys because of [insert silly non-interference principle] by fighting the local Goa'uld" after killing Ra with a nuke. They're just being consistent. If that occasionally means helping space hitler-junior then so be it. One of the best episdoes in a post-industrial society is the Die Hard episode. That was a pretty fun one. That's not really a spoiler. Should we spoiler stuff for snergle?
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itry posted:It helps that the vast majority of the civilizations they encounter are basically on life support because of the Goa'uld (helps for the budget too). It would be kinda silly to go "we can't directly help these guys because of [insert silly non-interference principle] by fighting the local Goa'uld" after killing Ra with a nuke. They're just being consistent. If that occasionally means helping space hitler-junior then so be it. What's the season number of that episode? I don't think we should avoid spoilers IMO. The show is over 20 years old. Though I am rooting for snergle's journey.
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It's a season 10 episode called "Bad Guys".redshirt posted:I am rooting for snergle's journey.  snergle posted:honestly there were only 3 episodes in almost 40 episodes i didnt like. the one i hated and the other two were just lovely in the begining or end of the episode. the only other show with this level of ratio from this era or older is b5 ds9 and koth. Don't forget Farscape!
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pixaal posted:you mean war criming? speaking of i just finished the plant alien guys who are the russian opera singer in powder makeup https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVj0ZTS4WF4 also i mixed up the order of the poo poo i watched the nid episode was after the tokra episode. i think tokra was s2 finale(s) and nid was s3 e1. im on like s3 e5 or 6. itry posted:
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Honestly, one of the best single scenes in all science fiction: Jack O'Niell kneeling before a ship full of Asgard. It was this humbling moment out of the blue that maybe only he could pull off. He recognized what was going on immediately, and acted thusly.
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redshirt posted:Honestly, one of the best single scenes in all science fiction: is that the fifth race episode? i honestly think that might be their best episode ive seen. its the one that explains the 4 races from t hat one planet and jack gets the knowledge of the ancients who built the stargates in his head.
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snergle posted:is that the fifth race episode? i honestly think that might be their best episode ive seen. its the one that explains the 4 races from t hat one planet and jack gets the knowledge of the ancients who built the stargates in his head. Yeah where he gets transported to one of their ships, and they give him that speech.
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redshirt posted:Yeah where he gets transported to one of their ships, and they give him that speech. yeah that episode is some of the best scifi rivialling any of the big b5 moments more then the ending is good to. the whole episode is amazing from start to finish. also it was one of their planets. i forget which planet they said but they said it was a planet in a specific system in a specific quadrant. also i hope i get to see the furlings. since we have seen nox asgard and ancients sort of. the asgard said the ancients moved on from this space im guessing its some type of ascension angle. also LOL i just finished the michello episode. i remember when futurama had this big thing about the same premise and how they wrote a fancy math algorithim for it. sg1 is just like yeah naw you two swap now you two swap now you two swap. snergle fucked around with this message at 07:15 on Sep 13, 2023 |
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snergle posted:yeah that episode is some of the best scifi rivialling any of the big b5 moments So many things I want to say about the Furlings, but like redshirt I want to see your reactions without spoilers. redshirt posted:Yeah where he gets transported to one of their ships, and they give him that speech. I love how Jack is like "uh guys that's cool and all but we're out there loving things up for real right now so maybe pay attention?"
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EvilHawk posted:So many things I want to say about the Furlings, but like redshirt I want to see your reactions without spoilers. The Asgard were just the best buds. I mentally play that scene of "Supreme Commander" when someone's being an idiot.
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I just watched the one where Daniel Jackson sent The Unas to the Naquadah Mines.
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itry posted:Didn't they offer to send themselves? Yeah, but....
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itry posted:We haven't heard anything about them since, but I'm sure they're all fine Just some happy Unass, working away in the mines upstate.
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They're Unas! I'm sure it's just like playing in a sandbox for them, nothing to concern your pretty little head with a followup episode
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The Unas agreed to mine so it could be used to fight Goauld. Do you think the airforce went back and renegotiated after they were wiped out, or just... kept collecting shipments?
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mossyfisk posted:The Unas agreed to mine so it could be used to fight Goauld. Do you think the airforce went back and renegotiated after they were wiped out, or just... kept collecting shipments? What does your heart tell you?
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I love Jack O'Neill. But he's got a lot of flaws. Like for the most part, diplomatically, he's terrible. Though he did make successful first contact with The Asgard, so he has that on the resume.
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redshirt posted:I love Jack O'Neill. But he's got a lot of flaws. Like for the most part, diplomatically, he's terrible. And yet he's almost always selected to make first contact and/or negotiate with other peoples. The Air Force really needs to get their poo poo together!
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MakaVillian posted:And yet he's almost always selected to make first contact and/or negotiate with other peoples. The Air Force really needs to get their poo poo together! I think that's why they had dedicated other SG teams. Sir.
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I think Jack generally proves himself to be a great judge of character. Most of the time when someone seems too good to be true, it's O'Neill who's the one who refuses to take things at face value. He's certainly arrogant and thinks he knows right, which doesn't always come off, but it makes sense for him to be in charge of the lead team.
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EvilHawk posted:I think Jack generally proves himself to be a great judge of character. Most of the time when someone seems too good to be true, it's O'Neill who's the one who refuses to take things at face value. He's certainly arrogant and thinks he knows right, which doesn't always come off, but it makes sense for him to be in charge of the lead team. I'm not saying Jack should not have been lead SG1. Just critiquing his skillset. For example, Daniel Jackson should be leading any diplomatic talk. Or Sam. Or Teal'c. Jack can be acerbic and foul humored. I find him to be kinda offensive toward the Tokra.
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EvilHawk posted:I think Jack generally proves himself to be a great judge of character. Most of the time when someone seems too good to be true, it's O'Neill who's the one who refuses to take things at face value. He's certainly arrogant and thinks he knows right, which doesn't always come off, but it makes sense for him to be in charge of the lead team. Okay, but, Jack loved the space Nazis. Rene Auberjonois was very charming, sure, but still.
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Jack liking the space Nazis was a criticism against Jack and his faith (however weak) in the military, while also being entirely logical from a character perspective. My view of this show is that essentially while the writer's team were bound to have their hands tied, it is one of the few 90s sci fis that effectively criticises a lot of US policy and outright criticises the military. Like — the first two episodes is just Jack arguing with the military hierarchy to not nuke a bunch of civilians, they have multiple episodes where they made drat clear that we are lucky Hammond and Jack are there, otherwise the air force and co would just be destroying planets willy nilly, slaughtering a shitton of folk, and dissecting aliens. Teal'c's adventures with almost being abducted and dissected, the time Hammond steps out and they just outright destroy an entire world and almost the earth too, the NID, Trump analogue guy, etc. They are all direct criticisms of the American political and military structure and IMO a lot of them are shots that contemporary Trek could not take, and they're even more impressive for being done while the scripts were being amended by the Air Force. Unfortunately it does give the show a bit of Trek Admiral disease. So in this case I like to think Jack liking the space fascists, while from a character perspective it was very clearly him going "holy poo poo we might get to take home some weapons to blow up the goa'uld and save Earth" — from a scriptwriting perspective I also feel it is a direct criticism of people like Jack, how easy it is for them to fall into fascism, and how important people like Daniel within our society are for maintaining vigilance.
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I was just busting Jack's balls there, I'm aware the show has a somewhat grounded ( ) take on the poo poo-show that is the military. That was Daniel's big thing before he got swole, and everything.A good character moment for Jack was in the black hole episode when he vents about his experiences in an Iraqi prison after he was left behind by his unit. Plus the show was conceived in the era of X-files, so some criticism about the alphabet agencies and the gummint was to be expected!
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alexandriao posted:Jack liking the space Nazis was a criticism against Jack and his faith (however weak) in the military, while also being entirely logical from a character perspective. Firstly, I just love all your comments. Secondly, one of the key "hooks", of SG1 is that Hammond and O'Neill are incredible bosses. Like what wouldn't you do for them? They're the best. Lastly, I agree that the show could be critical of American military industry. It never seems perfect even at its best, and is shown many other times to be perfidious and suspect.
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Rappaport posted:Okay, but, Jack loved the space Nazis. Rene Auberjonois was very charming, sure, but still. To be fair, once they had some solid clues that the Space Nazis weren't on the up-and-up -- as opposed to just Daniel's vibes, which while usually right, aren't evidence -- he immediately pulled an about face and told everyone to start digging for answers. Jack's not a warm and cozy Starfleet type, but his heart's in the right place and he never goes along with the Earth First realpolitik type poo poo like the Kinsey/NID hardliner types would have it.
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McSpanky posted:To be fair, once they had some solid clues that the Space Nazis weren't on the up-and-up -- as opposed to just Daniel's vibes, which while usually right, aren't evidence -- he immediately pulled an about face and told everyone to start digging for answers. Jack's not a warm and cozy Starfleet type, but his heart's in the right place and he never goes along with the Earth First realpolitik type poo poo like the Kinsey/NID hardliner types would have it. Jack's a fairly complicated guy. Its easy to forget we begin the movie/show with him having quit the military and seemingly suicidal. There are other hints of it as well. I mean, he was chosen I think because he was suicidal. I think he drinks quite a bit too. We rarely see him at home without a beer.
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I don't blame him for getting less sober when he gets a chance to relax, nobody should have to raw dog Jack's reality
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Sentient Data posted:I don't blame him for getting less sober when he gets a chance to relax, nobody should have to raw dog Jack's reality Carter works more. Daniel goes to museums. Teal'c lights some more candles and watches Star Wars again. Imagine the candle budget for the base. Huge!
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im somewhere in s3. i just finished the bounty hunter one. it was a really fun episode. back to back major gould deaths though. it basically went hathors dead seths dead chronus is dying / nefriti is going to get killed for trying to kill him. i assume hathor is alive though her death was off screen but they usually show the villian sneaking away in a quick scene. sett was just like smashed into the ground and they showed his corpse so i think hes dead dead i really dislike the ending and jacks actions in the nanite learning one. yeah those people were hosed with what they do. but he took the kid against their will and against orders. then the ending was a huge cop out with the zombie kids learning to be kids. they didnt over night from infants to 5th graders w/o giving them nanites and the nanites werent given to them. also im starting to realize all the "historically non white" races gods are gould but the white supremists gods arent. im sure its unintentional but like mix it up. like have a gould be pretending to be jesus and some cool hindu poo poo be another asgardian race for all i know t hats gonna happen soon though. im honestly suprised with how many iron age civilizations they havent run into a dark age europe one. edit also i forgot about the spirits episode so i guess they have done that already where the gently caress did tealc get that goatee at in the 2nd mirror universe episode. he went through the mirror with no hair then they bring evil tealc into the closet and good tealc has a goatee. tealc + hair man lol reminds me of the michelo episode and tealc wanting to shave jacks head snergle fucked around with this message at 03:04 on Sep 19, 2023 |
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redshirt posted:Firstly, I just love all your comments. Thank you!! I try my best  Yeah I think the term i saw in the Trek thread was "Competency Porn" and SG1 fits that niche really well too in a way that a lot of other shows can't. Weirdly I didn't get a competency porn vibe from BGS or The Expanse, I think it has to have a little ham and cheese for it to work right I think theres not many points of it that you can look at as openly, flag barfingly patriotic like a lot of usmil tampered things, except from maybe in a lot of the russia related plots
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snergle posted:also im starting to realize all the "historically non white" races gods are gould but the white supremists gods arent. im sure its unintentional but like mix it up. like have a gould be pretending to be jesus and some cool hindu poo poo be another asgardian race for all i know t hats gonna happen soon though. im honestly suprised with how many iron age civilizations they havent run into a dark age europe one. So theres a stack overflow answer but it has spoilers (https://scifi.stackexchange.com/a/46829) so ill copy out the parts and despoiler them for you so you get a choice In the full ten seasons of SG-1 the following religions and mythos are represented:
This SE answer misses the obvious Asgardian ones but ehhh Also worth noting that the Romans and Greeks plagiarized their gods from a shitload of places and then you have the silk road doing the same. Cool fact is that one of the reasons statues of Buddah exist in the first place is because contemporary Buddhists saw statues of Apollo everywhere, imported via the silk road, and saw it led to success and proliferation of the religion so they were like "well fine we can do this too!!!! " alexandriao fucked around with this message at 04:08 on Sep 19, 2023 |
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not gonna click the spoilers. but im sure i could guess what a few of them are. yu was in the chronos nefirti episode and im sure he is the chineese emperor one. chronos and others are obviously greek / roman ones. no idea on the others.
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As an easy example of the inherent sexism/racism/isms of our institutions, I give you the fact that Sam gets hit on by almost every new professional colleague she works with. Name them, they probably tried to hit on Sam. Aliens, Diplomats, NID Agents, etc. Now maybe its a TV thing, but how many romantic encounters did Jack have? Less than 6?
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redshirt posted:As an easy example of the inherent sexism/racism/isms of our institutions, I give you the fact that Sam gets hit on by almost every new professional colleague she works with. Name them, they probably tried to hit on Sam. Aliens, Diplomats, NID Agents, etc. also daniel gets a new chick every 3 episodes. hes basically kirk but a linguist / archeologist who when the plot demands is also good or bad at math / other sciences which makes his main motivation of saving his wife kinda sus.
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snergle posted:also daniel gets a new chick every 3 episodes. hes basically kirk but a linguist / archeologist who when the plot demands is also good or bad at math / other sciences Yeah but that's in the field stuff.
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