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NikkolasKing posted:Gohan's unequaled potential has been a big idea since the very start of Z/Part 2/whatever. Having it finally drawn out, absolutely all of it, and then, uh-oh , he's utterly irrelevant and now it's up to Goku and Vegeta and then just Goku to save the day - save the day with a technique which has never, ever worked - was some unbelievably bad writing. It also doesn't help that it doesn't make sense either. even if you want to ague that Goten and Trunks individually plus Piccolo have negligible power, just having buu and ultimate Gohan alone would make them stronger than Goku and Vegeta. at best Goku might be slightly stronger than buu, but Gohan was way stronger than Vegeta. and yet vegetto easily manhandled boo without any difficulty whatsoever.
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Sep 19, 2023 03:06
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Mr Interweb posted:agreed with all this except for the saiyan saga. there weren't really any bullshit powerups there at least (well unless you count goku pulling off a kai-o-ken x4 when his body was already thrashed from using kai-o-ken x3 twice) My issue with the redemptive sacrifice thing is that I don't think it works for undoing something you, yourself, caused just a moment ago. Buu's release is entirely Vegeta's fault. He was warned explicitly this would happen and brushed it all off for the sake of, as we all know, "PRIDE!" So...am I supposed to feel a deep emotional response to Vegeta trying to undo the great evil he himself knowingly and willingly unleashed five minutes ago? The attack on Cell for Trunks' sake is, I think, a much better example of the same basic idea. Vegeta has been impossibly selfish all season but, when confronted with the reality of his son's death, he finally recognizes what a terrible, terrible person he has ben and tries to make some small kind of amends. Buu Saga Vegeta is supposed to be long on the path of redemption by now. His working with Babidi is not for "evil" motives, just...petty ones, except, given Goku complying with all of it, we are apparently supposed to think they are understandably petty motives. Either way, Buu's release is all his fault and so killing himself to undo what he caused an episode or chapter ago doesn't really work for me compared to his attack on Cell.
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Sep 19, 2023 03:13
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I was never that into DBZ for a variety of reasons but nowadays I just find its flaws funny viewing it as a gag manga guy making possibly the biggest battle shonen ever and having to keep that train going while clearly wanting to do goofy stuff (and DB is frankly at its best when it's able to be both).
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Sep 19, 2023 04:04
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claw game handjob posted:You'd probably love the last movie. I definitely did for reasons related to some of what your post covered. Neat might check it out. I haven't watched any new DBZ stuff in quite a long time. NikkolasKing posted:My issue with the redemptive sacrifice thing is that I don't think it works for undoing something you, yourself, caused just a moment ago. Buu's release is entirely Vegeta's fault. He was warned explicitly this would happen and brushed it all off for the sake of, as we all know, "PRIDE!" So...am I supposed to feel a deep emotional response to Vegeta trying to undo the great evil he himself knowingly and willingly unleashed five minutes ago? I actually kinda like Vegeta's characterization in the Buu Saga. He's a born and bred warrior taught that he was destined to be the best fighter ever and that the only thing that mattered was living up to that destiny, but by the time of the Buu Saga he's been listlessly hanging around Earth for years without any real goal because his main rival in Goku is dead and the only other guy in the planet who could maybe compete with Vegeta in Gohan has zero interest in fighting. He genuinely loves his wife and son but he's not really comfortable about it and can't bring himself to openly express it. He also can't accept that just living for them is enough, because again his whole life has been fight, fight fight. Then bam Goku shows up out of the blue and says hey I'll come back for a day so we can all fight. Suddenly Vegeta has a purpose again, and a chance to surpass his rival. Except whoops the whole thing gets derailed by Babidi's shenanigans and also Goku just casually demonstrates while fighting a mook that he's still vastly superior to Vegeta in terms of strength. Everybody keeps telling Vegeta to forget about fighting Goku or proving he's stronger because that's not important right now compared to all the Buu poo poo, but to Vegeta it is important; it's the only thing that's important. So he goes over the edge to make sure he can get what he wants, even though it requires him to temporarily give himself over to Babidi and potentially dooms everybody he loves. As iconic as the original Funimation dub of Majin Vegeta is, I prefer the Kai one because it really drives home that he's having a petulant meltdown because he was afraid of losing the one thing he'd convinced himself gave meaning to his life. I also like that Goku "wins" the fight not by out punching Vegeta, but by convincing Vegeta of the lesson that he himself learned at the end of the Cell arc: that protecting the Earth and your loved ones is more important than a warrior's pride or a "fair" fight. He's able to finally break through all of Vegeta's bullshit and get him to admit that he cares more about his family than he does about getting to settle the score with Goku, which is such a monumental barrier for him to finally overcome. The sacrifice is kind of silly because it accomplishes nothing and maybe wouldn't have even been necessary if he'd fought with Goku vs Buu instead of knocking Goku out while his guard was down, but I do like that just before he does it the whole theme is capped off with him, for the first time, showing outward affection towards his son with the hug.
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Sep 19, 2023 04:44
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NikkolasKing posted:See, this is why Freeza is my most hated Z villain. Cell and Buu both had to work for their power-ups. Cell was actually weaker than Kamicollo and had to run away and get stronger. Majin Buu was weaker than Gohan so he had to scheme to absorb SSJ3 Gotenks. tbh I prefer the Freeza saga for basically this reason. Freeza vs Goku absolutely drags on too long, but the Freeza Arc's whole deal is people who train vs people who think innate strength trumps all. Part of Freeza's whole deal is that he didn't want people to know that you could train to get meaningfully stronger.
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Sep 19, 2023 05:19
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Captain Invictus posted:The Professor and friends play a game of commander, where The Professor uses the most obnoxious commander possible.
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Sep 19, 2023 05:24
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he is a professor
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Sep 19, 2023 05:49
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:Laura Crone did a 3½ hour therapy session on thrillers: Excellent. This is the kind of book-related content I wish was the norm on Youtube. It also introduced me to the most "cool story bro" comment I've ever seen.  I tried to find the blog and see how Bravest-of-the-Lamps-y it is, but I couldn't find it so I guess he took it down. Solitair fucked around with this message at 08:07 on Sep 19, 2023 |
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Sep 19, 2023 08:02
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Sep 19, 2023 09:45
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Solitair posted:I tried to find the blog and see how Bravest-of-the-Lamps-y it is, but I couldn't find it so I guess he took it down. Did you try typing "how much longer must we tolerate mass culture" (quotation marks included) into a search engine of your choosing?
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Sep 19, 2023 10:01
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NikkolasKing posted:My issue with the redemptive sacrifice thing is that I don't think it works for undoing something you, yourself, caused just a moment ago. Buu's release is entirely Vegeta's fault. He was warned explicitly this would happen and brushed it all off for the sake of, as we all know, "PRIDE!" So...am I supposed to feel a deep emotional response to Vegeta trying to undo the great evil he himself knowingly and willingly unleashed five minutes ago? yes! this is a great point too. the lead up to that moment is also very badly done as well. and yeah totally agreed on the trunks during cell saga thing too. if felt like a way more of an earned emotional moment than almost anything in the buu saga. also, it needs to be asked: why the hell DID vegeta sacrifice his life in the first place? again, buu had just been released. all he did up until he fights vegeta was knock out gohan, the supreme kai and kill dabura. nobody was in imminent danger. did vegeta run out of attacks? yes., but SO WHAT? why didn't he just leave so he could regroup with the others and find another plan of attack. don't give me the 'bububu prid' excuse. it's not like vegeta hasn't done tactical retreats multiple times in the past already. honestly, basically every story beat in the buu saga just feels like toriyama had a bunch of random seemingly cool individual ideas that he just sort of strung together without giving much thought to how they would work thematically or not. edit: and hell, since we're on the subject, i gotta ask.....is kid buu actually stronger than fat buu* and super buu? they never really made that clear. i know kid buu has the quickest regenerative abilitiy but his power level was always a question mark. * talking about fat buu from the beginning, not the one that he spit out, which was obviously weaker Mr Interweb fucked around with this message at 11:17 on Sep 19, 2023 |
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Sep 19, 2023 11:14
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My controversial Buu take is that Ocean Dub Scott McNeill's Buu voice is better than both the OG sub and funimation dub. Buu is squishy and Scott makes him sound squishy.
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Sep 19, 2023 11:58
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Mr Interweb posted:edit: and hell, since we're on the subject, i gotta ask.....is kid buu actually stronger than fat buu* and super buu? they never really made that clear. i know kid buu has the quickest regenerative abilitiy but his power level was always a question mark. I think official word is that he’s not the strongest form but he’s still the most dangerous, since he’s totally unrestrained id. the protags are so worn out by the time he appears that his relative strength is sort of academic anyway
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Sep 19, 2023 12:27
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Re: DBZ, finally seeing Goku turn Super was the coolest poo poo in the entire world when I was a kid. I had seen pictures of all the lads in all the Super Sayin forms the internet at that point but to finally see it on the actual show after so long felt like witnessing history (from a kid's point of view)
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Sep 19, 2023 12:48
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Motto posted:I was never that into DBZ for a variety of reasons but nowadays I just find its flaws funny viewing it as a gag manga guy making possibly the biggest battle shonen ever and having to keep that train going while clearly wanting to do goofy stuff (and DB is frankly at its best when it's able to be both). One Piece has probably topped it now, although it being goofy was baked into its core by Oda making Luffy a rubber man so there's always room for a joke even when things get too serious.
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Sep 19, 2023 12:55
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Mr Interweb posted:yes! this is a great point too. the lead up to that moment is also very badly done as well. and yeah totally agreed on the trunks during cell saga thing too. if felt like a way more of an earned emotional moment than almost anything in the buu saga. All data suggests that Super Buu, base Super Buu, is stronger than Kid Buu. Goku as a SSJ3 was affraid of fighting Super Buu even after they'd disconnected him from Gotenks/Gohan/Picollo as powersources. He was not affraid of Kid Buu, just unable to gather enough energy to do significant damage due to being alive again. Of course that last factoid is just another aspect of the railroad plot being guided towards the Spiritbomb finish, since Gohan should have been able to finish off Kid Buu. No clue about Fat Buu, but thats different annoying story element what with how clearly SSJ3 was made up at the last second. DeafNote fucked around with this message at 13:10 on Sep 19, 2023 |
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Sep 19, 2023 13:07
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Solitair posted:Excellent. This is the kind of book-related content I wish was the norm on Youtube. It also introduced me to the most "cool story bro" comment I've ever seen. Holy poo poo  "BUT WHY ARE NOT CATERING TO ME, PERSONALLY???"  Seriously, great video. She should do another one just to vex this guy
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Sep 19, 2023 13:10
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Solitair posted:I tried to find the blog and see how Bravest-of-the-Lamps-y it is, but I couldn't find it so I guess he took it down. https://howmuchlongermustwetoleratemassculture.wordpress.com/ might be this one. havent had the chance to read it in detail, tho
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Sep 19, 2023 14:26
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quote:I have really “catholic” tastes in music, both for listening and for playing. I like something out of virtually every genre and subgenre of music from about 1300 AD onwards. I know, everyone says they like everything- but I’m talking I have a fascination for everything from madrigals to deathcore. I really am as likely to be listening to be listening to Rai as I am to be listening to rock. That being the case, I have had to create my own system of classification, just for organizational reasons. Two over-riding classes are “Chthonic” and “Celestial” – underworld and overworld. Stuff like Wagner to Neurosis, I’d class as “Chthonic” while stuff from Stravinsky to Deftones is more “Celestial”, just for a sketch. So, I recently got a Yamaha Revstar, and it’s a Celestial aesthetic .
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Sep 19, 2023 15:27
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DeafNote posted:All data suggests that Super Buu, base Super Buu, is stronger than Kid Buu. Yeah Kid Buu is physically the weakest, but he's the most dangerous because he's pure, unrestrained id. You can't reason or bargain with him because he's, for all intents and purposes, a destructive force of nature.
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Sep 19, 2023 15:29
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Siselmo posted:https://howmuchlongermustwetoleratemassculture.wordpress.com/ 
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Sep 19, 2023 15:34
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Motto posted:I was never that into DBZ for a variety of reasons but nowadays I just find its flaws funny viewing it as a gag manga guy making possibly the biggest battle shonen ever and having to keep that train going while clearly wanting to do goofy stuff (and DB is frankly at its best when it's able to be both). I'm pretty much in the same boat, to be honest. Though I'm also immensely amused by looking back at just how seriously the western fandom treated DBZ back when it first hit North America in light of how goddamned silly Dragon Ball as a whole could be. And when I say "serious' I don't mean the level of devotion the fandom had, I'm instead talking about the relationship with the show that lead so many teenage boys to make Linkin Park AMVs gushing about how badass Vegeta was...
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Sep 19, 2023 15:38
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Oh we talkin AMVs now? This is the perfect opportunity to share my favorite: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-33SkD_tnw
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Sep 19, 2023 15:59
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Kaiser Mazoku posted:Oh we talkin AMVs now? This is the perfect opportunity to share my favorite: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rf2owgv56jQ
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Sep 19, 2023 16:45
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Sep 19, 2023 18:35
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A video on The Rental: $18.86 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58v5IwNbxI4
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Sep 19, 2023 19:43
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And now for something completely different. Youtube seems to have decided that I really want to see apocalyptic videos about weather events "near" me. I generally ignored those because they are bullshit, but the frequency made me suspicious. So I did a search and stitched together the results until I got bored.   I would know if anything exciting happened, but here's the thing: Nothing of note was happening.
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Sep 19, 2023 20:16
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yeah there's a cottage internet industry of what is basically weather disaster fanfic: https://hypotheticalhurricanes.fandom.com/wiki/2389_Davis_Station_subtropical_depression_(Snowe) https://hypotheticaltornadoes.fandom.com/wiki/2024_Super_Outbreak Though actually it might not be the same, these actually outright say they're fictional while those youtubes could just be shameless viewfarming Pigbuster fucked around with this message at 20:26 on Sep 19, 2023 |
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Sep 19, 2023 20:22
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Typical. But why weather? That's so boring! Just go full tilt with UFOs and aliens attacking. Or mole people rising from the ground. Oh no, it's fake bad weather! How scary!
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Sep 19, 2023 20:28
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Well, I didn't post the insane deluge of propaganda. If you get your news from Youtube you'd probably be almost as badly informed as if you got it from Twitter.
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Sep 19, 2023 20:31
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Libluini posted:Typical. But why weather? That's so boring! Just go full tilt with UFOs and aliens attacking. Or mole people rising from the ground. In 2004 I had a roommate who I am sure writes this kind of thing, assuming he’s still alive.
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Sep 19, 2023 20:33
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the coolest weather fanfic are the turbo-nerds who make fake NWS alerts
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Sep 19, 2023 20:36
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Pigbuster posted:yeah there's a cottage internet industry of what is basically weather disaster fanfic: my local Thai spot has an old lcd screen in the back playing nothing but playlists of these fake weather events. quite surreal to look up from your pad thai and see Japanese houses sliding into the sea.
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Sep 19, 2023 20:38
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Feels Villeneuve posted:the coolest weather fanfic are the turbo-nerds who make fake NWS alerts I thought this was a malicious thing, but you just mean like for fun and not to trick people.
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Sep 19, 2023 22:00
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This is a couple weeks old but I haven't seen it mentioned in thread but this guy's video on abandoned games a few months ago was well received, so enjoy some exploration of forgotten Minecraft servers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogtyba5Iq5s
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Sep 19, 2023 22:25
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If it gets people to understand that the phrase "man-made global warming" should've been "anthropogenic climate destabilization", I'm not sure it's all bad?  It probably won't, though.
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Sep 19, 2023 22:37
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:If it gets people to understand that the phrase "man-made global warming" should've been "anthropogenic climate destabilization", I'm not sure it's all bad? Yea the language hasnt been made dry and academic enough
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Sep 19, 2023 22:42
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Grassy Knowles posted:Yea the language hasnt been made dry and academic enough
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Sep 19, 2023 22:58
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I think the weather fanfiction people just think tornados and hurricanes are cool and that it would be cool if there was, like, a really big tornado that could pick up the Empire State Building like it was Dorothy's house. It's like kaiju or dinosaurs, but with tornados. Or the movie Twister. e. Basically it's like slasher movies where the slasher isn't the good guy but is still the one everybody likes. Jaws is a slasher movie but the slasher is a shark, and Twister is Jaws but the shark is a tornado. mycot fucked around with this message at 00:11 on Sep 20, 2023 |
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Emrikol posted:Did you try typing "how much longer must we tolerate mass culture" (quotation marks included) into a search engine of your choosing? Siselmo posted:https://howmuchlongermustwetoleratemassculture.wordpress.com/ Not as annoying or interesting as I thought it'd be. It's mostly just impenetrable analysis of bands I've never heard of. Happy Landfill posted:Holy poo poo It reminds me of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlkJJygIoVU&t=1268s
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