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Saukkis posted:Such dedicated race planes should probably use some modern not-stupid radio system during the races. Spoiler alert
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Zorak of Michigan posted:Take out the cannon, put a filthy huge camera system in front of the ballast, livestream the races to IMAX theaters. Nah nah nah, high speed volumetric 3D cameras and get that poo poo in VR
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Wombot posted:Regarding this fatal Reno collision, I dunno poo poo about butts, so maybe there's a good answer for this and I'm ignorant of it. But why the hell were they so close to each other? Is there no controller and spotters handling approach? The basic procedure at Reno is that you finish the race, pull up into the "cool down" (a circle about 2000' over the airport,) and then whenever you're ready, you descend to about 700' over the airport, overly the runway, and enter the pattern. During that process, there's at least two required radio calls (there's possibly more, I'm not sure) in the pattern, of "downwind abeam" (directly across from the landing end of the runway) and "final, gear down" (lined up with the runway, and your landing gear is down). Done correctly, that can result in an airplane landing every ~15 seconds, and it worked pretty well for most of the 59 years they raced at Reno. From what I saw, the two airplanes that collided did so between the downwind and final, so one of the pilots essentially lost track of where the other one was, and either turned or descended into the other airplane, likely without ever seeing it.
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Some additional details pertaining to the wayward F-35. Looks like it was flown into some weather and things got weird. Click through for the ATC and EMS calls around the event: https://twitter.com/chrisjacksonsc/status/1704015419281990080
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Warbird posted:Some additional details pertaining to the wayward F-35. Looks like it was flown into some weather and things got weird. Click through for the ATC and EMS calls around the event: Now the problem is whether to post the true statement “no airplane can survive a mesocyclone” or “lol f-35 still can’t fly in rain”
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Sep 19, 2023 18:58
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In some better F-35 news, I was as the NATO air show on Sunday and they had both the A and B versions so I got to see them fly for the first time (they had one more parked as well like a few years back). I only have a peasant 70-200mm so they're all from a distance:      Pretty wild stuff to see IRL.
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Sep 19, 2023 22:35
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hobbesmaster posted:Now the problem is whether to post the true statement “no airplane can survive a mesocyclone” or “lol f-35 still can’t fly in rain” Wasn't it the F-22 that had its stealth coating damaged by rain?
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Sep 19, 2023 22:38
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Blue Footed Booby posted:Wasn't it the F-22 that had its stealth coating damaged by rain? Both the F-22 and B-2 have had rain-related issues with their RAM coatings, and what's probably the most expensive plane crash in history (a B-2 that crashed on takeoff in Guam) was also caused by rain. I can't imagine the F-117 didn't run into similar issues, but I'd assume the program was secretive enough that they either solved the problem, or it wasn't much of an issue because of how the airplanes were used.
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Probably not much rain in Nevada or Saudi Arabia anyway
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mobby_6kl posted:In some better F-35 news, I was as the NATO air show on Sunday and they had both the A and B versions so I got to see them fly for the first time (they had one more parked as well like a few years back). Nice sky scapes but there’s no planes?
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azflyboy posted:probably the most expensive plane crash in history (a B-2 that crashed on takeoff in Guam) was also caused by rain. I think I saw one workup that pegged the financial impact of 9/11 at around $3trillion as of 10 years later. I wonder how much it is now, and I bet it doesn't scale exactly with the number of planes.
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FrozenVent posted:Nice sky scapes but there’s no planes? There's clearly a B21 Raider just over the horizon in the last one.
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hobbesmaster posted:Now the problem is whether to post the true statement “no airplane can survive a mesocyclone” or “lol f-35 still can’t fly in rain” The Chans have an alternative history answer: 
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azflyboy posted:Both the F-22 and B-2 have had rain-related issues with their RAM coatings, and what's probably the most expensive plane crash in history (a B-2 that crashed on takeoff in Guam) was also caused by rain. "Eh, we got the fancy coatings later, the F-117 was iron filings and spray on bedliner."
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Humphreys posted:The Chans have an alternative history answer: “…And the worms ate into his brain.”
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Murgos posted:“…And the worms ate into his brain.” It could be worse , it could have been on a secret mission over the united states and was under remote control after the pilot ejected. The debris field is fake because they havent shown any pictures with large portions of debris like wings. You dont want to know where i heard that particular take.
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A bit late for the reno talk but there's crazier races out there albeit not in planes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31RZ5wU-Fg0 Also worth watching: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdRM0KGGSAk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocHeJG5o8N0
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yeah the isle of man tt is something out of another era of motorsport. its such a big and diverse event, with such high speed on entirely unforgiving roads. iirc the noteworthiness of deaths isn't if it happens, but how many will and who'll be first and like reno, it's a big stack of several types of dangerous. racing (dangerous) planes (dangerous) head-to-head (dangerous) at low altitude (dangerous) in front of a live crowd (dangerous). it's a testament to the planning and teamwork of the people running it that there were any years at all where there weren't fatalities and frankly, if rich dudes want to risk their lives for nothing beyond a thrill and some extremely, extremely niche level of microfame, i'm here for it. there's way less entertaining things they could be doing with their hoarded wealth. i hope the races find a new home.
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azflyboy posted:Earlier in the week, they let a C-17 do the same thing, and I presume they'd have allowed the F-18 demo pilot to do so as well, had they flown Sunday. I thought I remember the F18 on Friday or Saturday do a lap. I really didn’t pay much attention to the military demos because they’re almost all “this plane will fly really fast and then pull straight up! Loom how amazing that is!” The U-2 was neat because goddamn that’s a lot of wing in person. I saw Six Cat go in and then got to listen to the announcers keep saying “miracles happen”. That did not help with my general attitude of cynicism. Other than that I thought this years’ races were pretty good. Doc’s poo poo flying on Saturday was obvious to everyone - even the friends of mine who had just showed up and never seen a race heat before commented how close he got to us on one lap. Stevo’s flying around the course is like if a machine were making a demonstration no human could compare to. That man knows how to fly laps like no-one else. The team in the pits were saying Sunday’s goal was to set a lap record by sustaining 140”+ of manifold pressure the entire race. The joke was that Jr would be flying so fast he would even lap himself. I was really looking forward to that so I hope they put something like that together again for the next location.
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bonelessdongs posted:A bit late for the reno talk but there's crazier races out there albeit not in planes MUST WATCHES: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihH5uDUaqRE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsZBXlTHPCg
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I once worked with a guy who was a semi-pro bike racer and had done the TT for many years. He had worked out that statistically he was 'over-due' for a big crash, had already had one which he managed to come away from virtually unhurt and had had several friends die almost literally in front of him during a TT. He was utterly blase about the whole thing - he absolutely accepted the risks, did everything practical to minimise them (while freely admitting that the sane thing would be just not to do it) and that when if his time came he'd be doing something he absolutely loved, surrounded by his best friends. Here's Tony Pond driving a car - a Rover 800 at that - at an average of 102mph over the TT Course. Without a co-driver or pace notes. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MRY3wKeHaYY Change of subject - I'm in Malta at the moment and have two snaps of defunct aeronautical interest:  Concorde G-BOAB at Heathrow as we taxied out.  Some aviation heritage preserved above a premises in Valetta that clearly used to be a travel agent but is now a jewellers. Half these airlines don't exist any more and the other half have had at least two livery updates since. The BA and Air Malta logos place this from the late 70s/early 80s.
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You should've asked them how much for the sign. I worked as a sign painter and we were always on the hunt for ghost signs like these to hang in the shop.
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Has that Concorde just been sitting at Heathrow for the last twenty years? Edit: looks like that one and one in Barbados(?) are the only ones not in a museum. Edit 2: oh I see, it’s a museum at the Barbados airport. smackfu fucked around with this message at 13:53 on Sep 21, 2023 |
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Mr Lanternfly posted:You should've asked them how much for the sign. Valetta has loads of ghost signs all over the place - it seems to be the norm not to remove or alter anything above ground floor level even when the business changes or closes altogether. Some shops will have three or four different eras of signage - Victorian hand-painted, 1920s enamel, 1950s neon, 1970s acrylic - all with different names and none of which relate to what's going on there now. Just down the street from that airline sign was another 1970s-looking one for the "Baltic & Black Sea Marine Insurance Coy." which was now a boutique fashion shop. It can be quite frustrating when you look down a street, see a sign jutting out saying "Fiendo's Bakery" and it turns out to just be someone's flat because Fiendo packed up in 1974. smackfu posted:Has that Concorde just been sitting at Heathrow for the last twenty years? It was half-way through having an interior refurb and hadn't yet had all the post-Paris Crash updates applied to it when Airbus withdrew technical support and BA and AF retired their Concordes. So G-BOAB's last flight was in 2000 and has since been sat at Heathrow without much of an interior. It was never airworthy on the retirement date so it couldn't be flown anywhere else. No one's really known what to do with it since - BA had ideas of mounting or hanging it in Terminal 5 or using it as a gate guardian but nothing came of that. They then gifted it to BAA (owners of LHR) who had it parked put by one of the runway thresholds for a few years. When the airport changed hands, the new owners demanded BA pay them some ridiculous amount in parking/storage fees so BA moved it to spare apron space at the back of their engineering centre, where it hung around for years being used as storage space for BA uniforms and in-flight magazines. BA have done some external cleaning and restoration at various times but while G-BOAB looks immaculate from the outside apparently the interior is practically gutted - much of the original interior was removed prior to the planned refurb that was never completed and what was left (including a lot of the flight deck) was either auctioned off or donated to projects restoring other Concordes. Now it's still at BA's Fleet Support Centre, parked on what used to be the aircraft tug parking ramp. Apparently it gets cleaned twice a year and is used for technical training purposes.
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gutted interior? cargo concorde. for when you're in immediate desperate need for, i dont know, unusually long lengths of pipe e: emergency dachshunds ee: the nathans hot dog eating contest is running out mid-contest because kobaiyashi and chestnut are dueling to the death eee: if this conga line stops, the bomb will go off! eeee: louvre exhibition of longcat.jpg Cactus Ghost fucked around with this message at 15:29 on Sep 21, 2023 |
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Or a pantload of live organs for a lot of transplants
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An extra shipment of ps5's to the L.A. metro area because *modern youths* 
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Whats dumber than dying in an air racing related crash? https://twitter.com/abc7breaking/status/1698788035251372118
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For a second I thought you were saying that there was a Concorde parked at MLT and I was shocked that my parents hadn't told me.
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Air Classics magazine posted on FaceBook advertising their November issue with a note about it including pictures of all Reno winners through history. What they did *not* say/warn was that their post included a high-quality photo of the instant the Reno T-6 midair occurred. No guts but I’ll refrain from sharing it here unless everyone really wants to see.
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Dr_Strangelove posted:Or a pantload of live organs for a lot of transplants small intestine transplant must be transported uncoiled
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BalloonFish posted:Now it's still at BA's Fleet Support Centre, parked on what used to be the aircraft tug parking ramp. Apparently it gets cleaned twice a year and is used for technical training purposes. Thanks, that was quite a journey. No interior explains a bit.
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Good writeup of the software bug that led to the meltdown in the UK's ATC system that led to the cancellation of 2000 flights back on August 28th: https://jameshaydon.github.io/nats-fail/
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So to summarize, there is a batch processing system for flight plans and one of those flight plans had an unusual condition in it that this super rigorously designed and programmed safety critical software was not tested against, but instead of running each individual flight plan in its own error recovery context and sending a busted flight plan to an error queue and alerting an operator the system instead decided to poo poo the bed with the lights on. The behavior does make a certain kind of sense if you're designing a general-purpose message-processing framework, sure. For example, if you are using this framework to operate a bank, then you really don't want to process a message that debits money from bank account A and then skip over a subsequent message that credits that money to bank account B. In systems where the correctness of the entire data set depends on every single event from genesis until the present day that sort of rigor is important. Even then you'd stop processing and say "Fatal error occurred during processing of record number 2345a, manual intervention required" and let the incoming queue continue to backlog until the disks fill up. That way the operator at least has some idea of what to look at. But in this specific case that is obviously idiotic. Even fart apps get this sort of thing right. Not that I'd want the ATC system written by fart app makers moving fast and breaking stuff, but still.
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Software architecting is hard, yo. That old joke about an old software dev, a printer, and a gun is a thing for a reason.
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Warbird posted:Software architecting is hard, yo. That old joke about an old software dev, a printer, and a gun is a thing for a reason. I haven't heard that one.
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mllaneza posted:I haven't heard that one. https://twitter.com/PPathole/status/1116670170980859905 "Tech enthusiasts: My entire house is smart. Tech workers: The only piece of technology in my house is a printer and I keep a gun next to it so I can shoot it if it makes a noise I don't recognize." Everything you know and love and likely depend on for your continued existence is held together by tape (at best) and a general desire that nothing fucks up. Banks, power utilities, healthcare, telecoms, you name it and it's a goddamn mess. The fact anything anywhere ever actually works is a minor miracle.
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Advent Horizon posted:Air Classics magazine posted on FaceBook advertising their November issue with a note about it including pictures of all Reno winners through history. What they did *not* say/warn was that their post included a high-quality photo of the instant the Reno T-6 midair occurred. Went looking for it and wow what a picture. Almost as good as the one of Barons Revenge vertical at tree height without a tail. What a tragic ending.
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Sapozhnik posted:So to summarize, there is a batch processing system for flight plans and one of those flight plans had an unusual condition in it that this super rigorously designed and programmed safety critical software was not tested against, but instead of running each individual flight plan in its own error recovery context and sending a busted flight plan to an error queue and alerting an operator the system instead decided to poo poo the bed with the lights on. A reminder that Miami center ran out of available computer ID numbers because no one ever imagined we’d need more than XXX or XXY, and then the entire US NAS was taken down this year by someone oopsing a single file.
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I heard that Doc was grounded for crossing the "foul line" on Saturday, but RARA agreed to let Miss America fly Sunday, if someone else was the pilot. No clue whether it's true, but his flying was erratic enough, and there's enough history behind the airplane that it certainly sounds plausible.
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