Iverron posted:

24%

Strep Vote posted:

Yes you are a bioterrorist and you will not be punished. That's what this comes down to. Yes, it is immoral and a sin to knowingly spread disease, and you are also free to kill as many people as you like in this society as long as they are peons and you have plausible deniability.

Why Am I So Tired posted:

I recently joined a discord with some old friends and friends of friends. One of them flew while COVID+ and laughed that he probably infected the entire plane, and when he got home he immediately played league hockey. Today one of them posted that he and his whole family are sick, but it's been helping going to the gym and sauna every day. They call anyone wearing masks mentally ill and laugh at them.

I know people like to point towards bad messaging and misinformation, and while that's certainly a major factor with a portion of society, a lot of people have simply revealed themselves to be shitheads who would rather harm others than alter their lifestyles in the slightest, and no amount of clear information directly from the CDC or government will change their behavior. And these are people who are politically engaged on other issues and are even quick to point out consent manufacturing / that the government will lie to protect the interests of the rich, so there's really no excuse whatsoever.

Why Am I So Tired posted:

I recently joined a discord with some old friends and friends of friends. One of them flew while COVID+ and laughed that he probably infected the entire plane, and when he got home he immediately played league hockey. Today one of them posted that he and his whole family are sick, but it's been helping going to the gym and sauna every day. They call anyone wearing masks mentally ill and laugh at them.

I know people like to point towards bad messaging and misinformation, and while that's certainly a major factor with a portion of society, a lot of people have simply revealed themselves to be shitheads who would rather harm others than alter their lifestyles in the slightest, and no amount of clear information directly from the CDC or government will change their behavior. And these are people who are politically engaged on other issues and are even quick to point out consent manufacturing / that the government will lie to protect the interests of the rich, so there's really no excuse whatsoever.

Strep Vote posted:

Did I say criminalize? Yes you are a bioterrorist and you will not be punished. That's what this comes down to. Yes, it is immoral and a sin to knowingly spread disease, and you are also free to kill as many people as you like in this society as long as they are peons and you have plausible deniability.

Woodsy Owl posted:

My kid had her first Moderna shot two weeks ago to start their primary series. Now that the Bivalents EUA is revoked, I wonder if it'll be possible for me to switch her to the Pfizer 2023-2024 three dose series (so instead of receiving the Moderna 2023-2024 shot for her second dose, she'd actually do the second and third dose Of updated Pfizer).

Anyone ever mix and match vax for a pediatric primary series?

Woodsy Owl posted:

The EUA on the Bivalents is pulled, so any new Pfizer or Moderna shot would be the XBB1.5 monovalent.

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/pre...tly-circulating
Of course, this assumes the pharmacy you're dealing with knows the EUA for bivalent has been pulled.

Woodsy Owl posted:

My kids second dose of her initial series was supposed to be Sept 26. Her doctors office doesn't have pediatric doses and doesn't know when they'll receive them. Anyone in the greater Seattle area who is aware of a clinic with pediatric doses please let me know, it could save me hours of calling around.

Woodsy Owl posted:

A nurse at my kids pediatricians office claims they aren't allowed to even order the pediatric shots "per the FDA and DoH." I'm certain this is categorically false, I imagine I'm getting this bullshit because they have no idea what the gently caress is going on because of this clusterfuck of a rollout

I'm going to lose my poo poo if I can't find my kid her second shot

Woodsy Owl posted:

I spent the afternoon calling around western Washington trying to find any pharmacy or healthcare provider that was offering the new pediatric Covid shots for under-3yo. Not a single place had it. My kid is due for shot #2 of her two-dose primary Moderna series next week. Pediatricians office said they don't have anything now, and won't be stocking Moderna anymore. gently caress gently caress gently caress.

For a laugh, navigate to vaccines.gov and type in any zip code and select the 6mo vaccine filters. Not a single hit for 100 miles in NYC, Seattle, Portland, nor San Francisco. There are 4 places that supposedly offer it outside of LA.

Woodsy Owl posted:

In the greater Seattle area, my local Walmart has Moderna in stock for adults. And plenty of appointments on their website. Hope that can help someone.

Why Am I So Tired posted:

I do feel anger towards the person going to a sauna or flying to the Bahamas while sick with COVID - that's a situation where an individual is at fault.

RandomBlue posted:

Why are they at fault when ALL OF SOCIETY and every major "official" source of info is telling them the pandemic is over, do whatever you want? The loving CDC and the president are all telling them to go have a loving blast, you're vaccinated, you're safe, it's over.

Literally the only place there is any pushback is small pockets like this thread.

Why Am I So Tired posted:

The media - cops are good
Leftists - no, this is consent manufacturing

The media - COVID is mild (also people are still dying of COVID, and some people get Long COVID)
Leftists - I'm a helpless baby who just doesn't know any better, it's time to fly to the Bahamas while sick

DR FRASIER KRANG posted:

who are you even talking about lol

euphronius posted:

maybe that’s why you are so tired ??

euphronius posted:

maybe that’s why you are so tired ??

Why Am I So Tired posted:

lol

I meant awake at all but I won't edit it and ruin your good joke

celadon posted:

i think WAIST's point is essentially that if people arent responsible for being susceptible to propaganda regarding a directly impactful and lethal disease that harms them and their community, they're not responsible for being susceptible to any propaganda at all, and basically any sort of leftist agitation is a wild fools dream and believing in leftward movement reveals one to be essentially of a childlike mind.

like if people arent going to punch through the propaganda when they can see their friends and family toppling like dominos and their schools and workplaces collapsing under the strain of illness, exactly how do you think theyre going to punch through the propaganda regarding the exploitative nature of the united states role in the global economy, something that's about a billion times more abstracted and difficult to pinpoint.

every type of propaganda propping up the system is far more opaque and subtle than the poo poo thats going down with COVID, so if you think people are helpless babes just adrift in a sea of mixed messages with how they fail to understand the COVID threat, they're only more adrift and more helpless and less responsible when it comes to every other threat and focus of political propaganda.

Pingui posted:

www.fiercehealthcare.com posted:

Updated Sept. 22
This morning member organizations of the Coalition of Kaiser Permanente Unions issued a 10-day unfair labor practice strike notice to the major nonprofit health system and insurer after the parties' final scheduled bargaining session failed to deliver an accord. 

Should no deal be struck in the interim, over 75,000 union workers across Kaiser Permanente's California, Colorado, Oregon, Washington, Virginia, and Washington D.C. facilities will walk off the job for three days, starting Oct. 4. 

The dispute over new contracts' pay and staffing terms threatens to go down as the largest healthcare strike in the country's history, the unions said. Authorization votes held by the individual unions have overwhelmingly landed in favor of the demonstrations, per results released over the past week. 
“Kaiser executives refuse to acknowledge how much patient care has deteriorated or how much the frontline healthcare workforce and patients are suffering because of the Kaiser short-staffing crisis,” Dave Regan, president of SEIU-United Healthcare Workers West, part of the Coalition, said in a release. “The patient care crisis cannot be solved unless Kaiser executives follow the law by bargaining with healthcare workers in good faith, and take dramatic action now to solve the crisis by investing in its workforce.” 

The Coalition of Kaiser Permanente Unions comprises over 85,000 of the nonprofit system’s workers in total, and has led demonstrations over the course of the summer and during the run-up to the strike authorization vote that are critical of Kaiser's leadership.

The health system's management has previously said that its goal "is to reach an agreement that ensures we can continue to provide market-competitive pay and outstanding benefits." It has pushed back on the unions' claims that its pay proposals are below the market value of other traditionally low-paying industries.

"We are confident we’ll reach an agreement before the national agreement expires on September 30 that strengthens our position as a best place to work and ensures that the high-quality care our members expect from us remains affordable and easy to access," the system said in a statement given last week. 

mawarannahr posted:

get your healthcare in, folks

RandomBlue posted:

It's not a problem that can be solved at the individual level, getting mad at individuals (that aren't in positions of power) is pointless, but go ahead.

mawarannahr posted:

get your healthcare in, folks

celadon posted:

every type of propaganda propping up the system is far more opaque and subtle than the poo poo thats going down with COVID, so if you think people are helpless babes just adrift in a sea of mixed messages with how they fail to understand the COVID threat, they're only more adrift and more helpless and less responsible when it comes to every other threat and focus of political propaganda.

mawarannahr posted:

get your healthcare in, folks
Kaiser Permanente workers issue 10-day strike notice for largest walk-off in healthcare history

quote:

Should no deal be struck in the interim, over 75,000 union workers across Kaiser Permanente's California, Colorado, Oregon, Washington, Virginia, and Washington D.C. facilities will walk off the job for three days, starting Oct. 4.

mawarannahr posted:

get your healthcare in, folks
Kaiser Permanente workers issue 10-day strike notice for largest walk-off in healthcare history

Gunshow Poophole posted:

... a 3 day strike? what's the point

SixteenShells posted:

what the actual gently caress? it is not government overreach to decide that federally funded public institutions should close for public health reasons! that's the loving reason we have a government!

Why Am I So Tired posted:

No, the overall problem of the pandemic isn't getting solved at the individual level. But if someone knowingly goes out for treats while actively sick, they've created a problem for everyone around them that wouldn't have existed if they hadn't.

It's like, gun violence is a systemic issue too that can't be solved at the individual level, but if somebody shot me or a loved one, then you know what, I'm going to be pretty pissed at the person who pulled the trigger too.

Why Am I So Tired posted:

I don't feel anger towards the worker forced to come into work sick with COVID by the austerity of capitalism - that's a situation where society is at fault.

I do feel anger towards the person going to a sauna or flying to the Bahamas while sick with COVID - that's a situation where an individual is at fault.

The situation we're in is a combination of government and individual failures, and the failures of the government shouldn't excuse the failures of individuals. If anything, whether it's fair or not, it means everyone needs to be more mindful of their individual behaviors and shoulder more of the load because we've been abandoned by the government institutions that were supposed to protect us in the first place.

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:

And the people who have captured our government are so filthy rich that paying this lady off like this for manufacturing consent for a year is like buying a cup of coffee to them.

euphronius posted:

maybe that’s why you are so tired ??

Why Am I So Tired posted:

I don't feel anger towards the worker forced to come into work sick with COVID by the austerity of capitalism - that's a situation where society is at fault.

I do feel anger towards the person going to a sauna or flying to the Bahamas while sick with COVID - that's a situation where an individual is at fault.

The situation we're in is a combination of government and individual failures, and the failures of the government shouldn't excuse the failures of individuals. If anything, whether it's fair or not, it means everyone needs to be more mindful of their individual behaviors and shoulder more of the load because we've been abandoned by the government institutions that were supposed to protect us in the first place.