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SardonicTyrant posted:That's the thing, even the technical details of the mode of production change over time, people don't. The capitalist of today is still fundamentally the same creature as in marx's time, and driven by the same human impulses, so no matter how the labor is organized, if it's organized under a capitalist framework it will still follow the same patterns of rent-seeking etc. ...wait, is Marxism just a weird word for functional psychology?
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# ? Sep 17, 2023 00:04 |
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# ? May 23, 2024 17:59 |
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mycomancy posted:...wait, is Marxism just a weird word for functional psychology?
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# ? Sep 17, 2023 01:24 |
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Snagged a neat edition of Capital that was printed in 1906 which means it's finally time to read the whole dang thing I guess. Stoked!
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# ? Sep 17, 2023 01:28 |
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my bony fealty posted:Snagged a neat edition of Capital that was printed in 1906 which means it's finally time to read the whole dang thing I guess. Stoked! Very jealous.
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# ? Sep 17, 2023 11:54 |
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https://twitter.com/szabadsag1956/status/1703257878184833241?s=46 (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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# ? Sep 17, 2023 14:23 |
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Weird how the cia sounds like some of the leftist here where I live
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# ? Sep 17, 2023 14:30 |
like every single common western misconception about marxism, socialism, and communism all summed up in two paragraphs. i wonder if there's any connection
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# ? Sep 17, 2023 14:40 |
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Bald Stalin posted:Weird how the cia sounds like some of the leftist here where I live Curious!
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# ? Sep 17, 2023 14:40 |
proletariat is just a fancy word for working class, of which there has always been only one. conflating "state" and "government", as if the HRE and imperial germany were both the same kind of goverment. cia calling anybody else the most repressive [thing] in history. advancing marxism is actually degenerating its purity of essence with false and profane material reality. just an absolute blowout on the bingo card of western "leftists"
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# ? Sep 17, 2023 14:45 |
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thanks for the lovely fascist tweet i guess
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# ? Sep 17, 2023 15:05 |
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cia also said stalin was ftw so
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# ? Sep 17, 2023 15:09 |
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Free Croup
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# ? Sep 17, 2023 15:22 |
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attributing an Engels idea to Marx too is just a funny bonus.
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# ? Sep 17, 2023 15:23 |
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Cuttlefush posted:cia also said stalin was ftw so Broken clock
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# ? Sep 17, 2023 15:28 |
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gradenko_2000 posted:Free Croup he needs to purge this place
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# ? Sep 17, 2023 15:29 |
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Why won't Hasan denounce China, Vaush asks
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# ? Sep 17, 2023 15:31 |
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Maximo Roboto posted:https://twitter.com/szabadsag1956/status/1703257878184833241?s=46 gently caress... you?
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# ? Sep 17, 2023 18:12 |
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stumblebum posted:proletariat is just a fancy word for working class, of which there has always been only one. conflating "state" and "government", as if the HRE and imperial germany were both the same kind of goverment. cia calling anybody else the most repressive [thing] in history. advancing marxism is actually degenerating its purity of essence with false and profane material reality. not quite: there has always been a working class, but there has NOT always been a proletariat. the working class was composed of slaves or peasants in past eras and both slaves and peasants have been contemporary with proletarians. stalin writes a bit in Dialectical and Historical Materialism about why the bolsheviks chose to support and organize the smaller russian proletariat rather than the much larger russian peasantry, for instance
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# ? Sep 17, 2023 19:25 |
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Zedhe Khoja posted:most americans think that cheap clothes are made by machines or something yep Turkey: Sandblasting Jeans for ‘Distressed’ Look Proved Harmful for Textile Workers (Published 2011) www.nytimes.com posted:Sandblasting new blue jeans to make them look “distressed” killed a number of young Turkish textile workers before the practice was outlawed, a new study has found. Sandblasting tragedies inspire Turkish worker to make 'cleaner' jeans www.dailysabah.com posted:#### Abdülhalim Demir, a denim worker who lost 46% of his lung capacity due to a now-banned sandblasting practice, spearheaded an overhaul of production techniques in the sector and now offers 'clean' and profitable jeans that do not harm workers I've been seeing more of sandblasted and distressed looking jeans. they're back Ripped Jeans Are Making A Polished Comeback www.vogue.co.uk posted:It’s no secret that fashion is one big merry-go-round. And, fittingly, with pop culture’s current predilection with the Noughties – hello butterflies, cargos and low-slung pants – and Nineties, ripped jeans are an easy sell for any nostalgia-obsessed fashion devotee.
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# ? Sep 17, 2023 19:48 |
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stumblebum posted:proletariat is just a fancy word for working class, of which there has always been only one. proletarian is french for propertyless. it specifically means a working class that has been enclosed and dispossessed of land and commons and forced to work for necessities, which is a very different power dynamic and mode of coercion than the peasantry faced
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# ? Sep 17, 2023 19:59 |
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gently caress. When I worked in the shoe factory, I didn't have any sort of eye (random crap hitting hard enough to pierce through my trousers) or lung protection (rubber dust). The coworkers who worked with glue were pretty much constantly high on it (and not in a good way). It was only 48 hours a week, the job itself didn't last too long because of corona wrecking logistics and demand resulted in me being laid off, and it was still a memorably horrible experience that I'm reasonably sure was partially responsible for my lung capacity being hosed up for over a year after I had corona. (as an aside, gently caress heat resistant military boot rubber, for multiple reasons) And it's still loving nothing compared to poo poo like what mawarannahr posted.
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# ? Sep 17, 2023 20:02 |
Ferrinus posted:not quite: there has always been a working class, but there has NOT always been a proletariat. the working class was composed of slaves or peasants in past eras and both slaves and peasants have been contemporary with proletarians. stalin writes a bit in Dialectical and Historical Materialism about why the bolsheviks chose to support and organize the smaller russian proletariat rather than the much larger russian peasantry, for instance the bitcoin of weed posted:proletarian is french for propertyless. it specifically means a working class that has been enclosed and dispossessed of land and commons and forced to work for necessities, which is a very different power dynamic and mode of coercion than the peasantry faced
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# ? Sep 17, 2023 20:05 |
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what?
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# ? Sep 17, 2023 20:09 |
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Proleteriat isn't French, it's Latin. It originally referred to the urban poor who had nothing to offer to the Roman state but their ability to produce progeny. While not comparable to the industrial proleteriat in its social role, the similarity through "having nothing to offer but yourself" was remarkable enough for the word to find new live.
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# ? Sep 17, 2023 20:10 |
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mawarannahr posted:yep poo poo, Kat was at a tent canvas factory in karabuk for like 4 years, I should see about getting her some checkups for anything that might come of that. I doubt the refugee slave mills are all too keen on following any sort of safety laws.
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# ? Sep 17, 2023 20:10 |
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A number of workers at the shoe factory weren't Serbian citizens, and when word came that labor inspection was about to show up, they were all quickly rounded up together and locked into the toilets until the inspectors left. e: In general, everyone was fairly miserable. A strike was crushed some time before I got a job there, and everyone working there was still being punished for it.
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# ? Sep 17, 2023 20:12 |
my post's first section consists of wrong/inaccurate/simplified statements, ones which i do not believe to be true. when i said that "proletariat is just fancy for worker" i was being facetious. i had hoped that putting one obviously facetious and false statement in a list with other obviously facetious and false statements would indicate that i was not being sincere EDIT: unless people are jsut using it as an excuse to explain the point in which case im overly dumb and insufficiently gay
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# ? Sep 17, 2023 20:12 |
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my dad posted:Proleteriat isn't French, it's Latin. no latin speaker ever said proletariat. that's the etymological root but it was proletarius or something latin sounding. c'mon son stumblebum posted:my post's first section consists of wrong/inaccurate/simplified statements, ones which i do not believe to be true. when i said that "proletariat is just fancy for worker" i was being facetious. i had hoped that putting one obviously facetious and false statement in a list with other obviously facetious and false statements would indicate that i was not being sincere no nevermind i thought you were maybe thunking the peasant land dynamic thing
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# ? Sep 17, 2023 20:19 |
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stumblebum posted:my post's first section consists of wrong/inaccurate/simplified statements, ones which i do not believe to be true. when i said that "proletariat is just fancy for worker" i was being facetious. i had hoped that putting one obviously facetious and false statement in a list with other obviously facetious and false statements would indicate that i was not being sincere that's my bad, i was posting in a rush on transit and the old instincts kicked in without my looking closely at the middle of your post
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# ? Sep 17, 2023 20:37 |
Ferrinus posted:that's my bad, i was posting in a rush on transit and the old instincts kicked in without my looking closely at the middle of your post we all make mistakes in the heat of passion jimbo. and besides i personally didnt actually know the deeper etymological/historical roots of "proletariat" anyways (i only really knew its modern-most marxist definition) so the content was still Worth
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# ? Sep 17, 2023 20:40 |
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Cuttlefush posted:no latin speaker ever said proletariat. that's the etymological root but it was proletarius or something latin sounding. c'mon son you’re in the marxism thread, please continue this fight in the footnotes
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# ? Sep 17, 2023 21:24 |
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Maximo Roboto posted:https://twitter.com/szabadsag1956/status/1703257878184833241?s=46 it looks like that is from a 1985 document by a US foreign service guy, Jack Matlock. I guess he could be CIA, but he's coming at it from a different direction than the COINTELPRO or CHAOS alumni who wrote stuff that could stand up to far more scrutiny. If Reagan's admin wanted a more nuanced attack of the soviet union they could have found someone to do it eventually. It seems like Matlock's goal was to come up with talking points about how the USSR was a Russian imperialist project to help get support for the renewed Cold War in the US. https://www.reaganlibrary.gov/public/digitallibrary/smof/nsc-europeanandsovietaffairs/matlock/box-047/40-351-7452066-047-002-2018.pdf all that said - he's now right about the war in Ukraine quote:Matlock was surprised by the Russian invasion of Ukraine in February, 2022, and thought that it could have been avoided if the United States had not advocated for the admission of Ukraine into NATO.[70] He sees the current policy as an abandonment of a commitment not to expand NATO, which he says was made to Gorbachev.
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# ? Sep 17, 2023 23:46 |
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ambassador to the soviet union from 1987 to 1991. interesting
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# ? Sep 17, 2023 23:48 |
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i asked this in other threads but is there a non-mccarthyist book on the chinese cultural revolution, what precipitated it, and how the government was organized after? like, the era between WW2 and Reagan, but entirely from china's point of view?
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# ? Sep 18, 2023 00:25 |
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is there much interaction between Chinese/Soviet academic Marxism or histography and their western counterparts or are the ecosystems basically closed off?
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# ? Sep 20, 2023 22:22 |
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the western academic marxist tradition is extremely weak right now so i imagine it has enough of a hassle trying to survive and stay relevant
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# ? Sep 20, 2023 22:27 |
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what about historiography? there seems to be a decent number of western historians that use materialist frameworks
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# ? Sep 20, 2023 23:32 |
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Academia doesn't generally face open hard censorship in the west, they just get their funding cut. I get the impression that history isn't the most expensive department and you can often get grants to do materialist work but like you can't advertise it as marxist or whatever.
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# ? Sep 20, 2023 23:34 |
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How did the communist governments handle soldiers being reintegrated into society after the revolution? Are there any first hand accounts from soldiers?
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AnimeIsTrash posted:How did the communist governments handle soldiers being reintegrated into society after the revolution? Are there any first hand accounts from soldiers? they aren’t any, sorry 😞
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