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Being proud of falling for propaganda from long-dead 18th century mill owners in lace and powdered wigs is a fun gimmick
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Sep 24, 2023 18:49
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VitalSigns posted:Being proud of falling for propaganda from long-dead 18th century mill owners in lace and powdered wigs is a fun gimmick Look we just cant reclaim ideas like 'socialism' or 'society' they're just too poisoned in the public mind
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Sep 24, 2023 18:59
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VitalSigns posted:Being proud of falling for propaganda from long-dead 18th century mill owners in lace and powdered wigs is a fun gimmick I’ll sell out everyone I know to rapacious agents of capital before i admit to being wrong online
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Sep 24, 2023 19:03
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Luddite doesn't need to be "reclaimed" lol, it already is. Just ask how their ape and crypto investments are doing and the tech utopianists will scuttle back into the dark and miasmic corners and forgotten places. The future belongs to people who will say "it doesn't matter what we do if we're still pulling more oil out of the ground every year" and the future is grim indeed
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Sep 24, 2023 19:07
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Epic High Five posted:Luddite doesn't need to be "reclaimed" lol, it already is. Just ask how their ape and crypto investments are doing and the tech utopianists will scuttle back into the dark and miasmic corners and forgotten places. The future belongs to people who will say "it doesn't matter what we do if we're still pulling more oil out of the ground every year" and the future is grim indeed The future doesn't belong to any human because our society is doomed lol
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Sep 24, 2023 19:11
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Sep 24, 2023 19:25
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Epic High Five posted:Luddite doesn't need to be "reclaimed" lol, it already is. Just ask how their ape and crypto investments are doing and the tech utopianists will scuttle back into the dark and miasmic corners and forgotten places. The future belongs to people who will say "it doesn't matter what we do if we're still pulling more oil out of the ground every year" and the future is grim indeed From experience, that's not at all what happens, lol. It's an uphill battle to convince a steady stream of morons that your project doesn't need 'AI' or 'blockchain'. I wish I primarily lived on twitter were rationing someone meant you won the debate, and you can only ever see how your online pals dunk on ape avatars and Elnor Snusk. Meanwhile, the only people who self-identify as Luddites in real life are equally deranged cretins who think that cooking on an induction stove is gay.
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Sep 24, 2023 19:34
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Wait it's not? How the gently caress am I supposed to cook gayly now dammit
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Sep 24, 2023 19:39
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Am I going to have to get into loving sous vide
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Sep 24, 2023 19:44
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Paladinus posted:From experience, that's not at all what happens, lol. It's an uphill battle to convince a steady stream of morons that your project doesn't need 'AI' or 'blockchain'. I wish I primarily lived on twitter were rationing someone meant you won the debate, and you can only ever see how your online pals dunk on ape avatars and Elnor Snusk. Meanwhile, the only people who self-identify as Luddites in real life are equally deranged cretins who think that cooking on an induction stove is gay. The only Twitter I have is an account that just has some favorited tweets, social media is the leaded gasoline of our generation and chiding people for being too online as a default defensive stance isn't the slam dunk strategy you think. If you have to field those questions and can't just tell them to gently caress off it isn't your project. Thinking a gas stove is better than induction because it's old or whatever isn't being a Luddite lol
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Sep 24, 2023 19:45
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If I could use twitter to restrict the amount of meat or coffee someone could buy in a week I would definitely use it.
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Sep 24, 2023 19:48
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I'm repurposing "flamer" to mean someone who cooks with gas rather than a normal induction range
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Sep 24, 2023 19:55
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Epic High Five posted:The only Twitter I have is an account that just has some favorited tweets, social media is the leaded gasoline of our generation and chiding people for being too online as a default defensive stance isn't the slam dunk strategy you think. If you have to field those questions and can't just tell them to gently caress off it isn't your project. Thinking a gas stove is better than induction because it's old or whatever isn't being a Luddite lol Then I have no idea why you would think tech bros have already lost the battle for hearts and minds. It is simply not the case. Regardless of what definition of Luddite is 'correct', it's pointless to self-identify as one. Which is evidenced by how people who self-identify as Luddites are tremendously dumb. Techno sceptic is a better moniker when voicing opposition to techno utopism anyway, as it encompasses a much wider set of concerns than the original Luddism.
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Failed Imagineer posted:a normal induction range lol, "normal"
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Sep 24, 2023 20:26
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Paladinus posted:Then I have no idea why you would think tech bros have already lost the battle for hearts and minds. It is simply not the case. I'm not a skeptic tho, I've got a very good idea of how these things work and I oppose any technology that will cause more immiseration than it "solves." If you want to waste your life supporting reforms to soften these impacts or whatever, great, I'll be happy to support "advancements" once a comprehensive welfare state is in place and I've deemed it sufficient, but not a second sooner. If I were skeptical I'd be open to the belief that there's some new fact or argument that would change my mind. I am not. I used to be, but I got tired of having my time wasted. Tech bros are "winning" because hearts and minds don't factor into anything at all, that's only trotted out when something good needs to be stopped. The only thing that matters is money and a great way to make more is to crush wages and create a huge pool of desperate people, something technology has proven to be incredibly good at and thus we find it deployed to this purpose. If you find yourself beset by morons everywhere you look, stand somewhere else.
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Sep 24, 2023 20:33
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If you first have to explain some hundred year old historical context and propaganda for people to understand, maybe your label isn't particularly useful. Especially if instead you can just say "I think capitalism sucks and a lot of technology is helping capitalists". It's like debating whether USA is a democracy or a republic, pointless words that could be replaced with talking about why USA sucks. Now, if someone calls you a luddite, feel free to agree and briefly tell the story. And then seize the means of production or whatever
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Sep 24, 2023 20:35
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Epic High Five posted:I'm not a skeptic tho, I've got a very good idea of how these things work and I oppose any technology that will cause more immiseration than it "solves." If you want to waste your life supporting reforms to soften these impacts or whatever, great, I'll be happy to support "advancements" once a comprehensive welfare state is in place and I've deemed it sufficient, but not a second sooner. If I were skeptical I'd be open to the belief that there's some new fact or argument that would change my mind. I am not. I used to be, but I got tired of having my time wasted. I see.
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Sep 24, 2023 20:37
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I wanna gently caress technology. Love steam looms
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Sep 24, 2023 20:37
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tokin opposition posted:I wanna gently caress technology. Love steam looms This is a self correcting problem
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tokin opposition posted:I wanna gently caress technology. Love steam looms Armatures too pointy
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tokin opposition posted:I wanna gently caress technology. Love steam looms you might like yospos then.
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Sep 24, 2023 20:43
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Seems somewhat on topic. Two videos YouTube recommended. https://youtu.be/SbhRrLuy0tc?si=5QQK1kkgNDWfxFkL https://youtu.be/Fz68ILyuWtA?si=Dcj8-nbnsYulOw3V Shame Boy posted:Am I going to have to get into loving sous vide Please do not gently caress the sous vide.
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Sep 24, 2023 21:37
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Bald Stalin posted:Nope the small pharma startup I worked at was 100% venture capital then IPO/shareholder $. The only subsidy would have been a small grant to the scientists at a university lab that figured out how heart muscle works before the same scientists pitched it to venture capitalists. "My small startup took no government subsidies" says man drinking from the money printer firehose. lol. Like I said, every part of it is 100% subsidized by the government. The only money they spend is on marketing and bribes then they just get trillions in profit. Cool system.
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Sep 24, 2023 23:31
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the patent system alone is an enormous government subsidy
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Shame Boy posted:Am I going to have to get into loving sous vide Buddy...
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Sep 25, 2023 00:24
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Harik posted:"My small startup took no government subsidies" says man drinking from the money printer firehose. If your point is that All Capital is Always subsidized, because Corporate Socialism for me and not for thee you can't then write the only money they spend is on x. It's incoherent. Explain what you mean lmao
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Sep 25, 2023 00:33
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Bald Stalin posted:Nope the small pharma startup I worked at was 100% venture capital then IPO/shareholder $. The only subsidy would have been a small grant to the scientists at a university lab that figured out how heart muscle works before the same scientists pitched it to venture capitalists. - Joseph B. Stalin
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Sep 25, 2023 02:27
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Bald Stalin posted:If your point is that All Capital is Always subsidized, because Corporate Socialism for me and not for thee you can't then write the only money they spend is on x. It's incoherent. Explain what you mean lmao lol do you have any idea what venture capital is?
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Sep 25, 2023 02:40
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oh it's not a government subsidy because they gave billions to a group of rich white "investors" via one of the dozens of ways to pump money into the top of the pyramid and then that literally free money was given to your startup also if whatever you do works more billions of free government money will be used by one of the big pharma corps to buy you up and thus make the vulture capitalists who "funded" you with fed money even richer.
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Sep 25, 2023 02:44
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this system of funding research indirectly by handing out negative-interest loans to anyone who claims they're worth at least a bil and enormous subsidies for buying out proven designs is vastly superior to the government just paying people to do research directly because it's not government interference in the free market
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Sep 25, 2023 02:46
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Harik posted:oh it's not a government subsidy because they gave billions to a group of rich white "investors" via one of the dozens of ways to pump money into the top of the pyramid and then that literally free money was given to your startup CMS isn't even allowed to negotiate drug prices lmao
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You seem mad and confused. You claimed everything about pharmaceutical is subsidized by the state, but then you also claimed one part isn't. If your position is Capital and the State is the same therefore it's all "subsidy" then at least be coherent and say what you mean.
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Sep 25, 2023 03:08
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Literally everything is subsidized by the state, what do you think UNITED STATES dollars are morans
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Sep 25, 2023 03:13
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Bald Stalin posted:You seem mad and confused. You claimed everything about pharmaceutical is subsidized by the state, but then you also claimed one part isn't. If your position is Capital and the State is the same therefore it's all "subsidy" then at least be coherent and say what you mean. mad?
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Sep 25, 2023 03:14
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Baka Stalin
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Bald Stalin posted:You seem mad and confused. You claimed everything about pharmaceutical is subsidized by the state, but then you also claimed one part isn't. If your position is Capital and the State is the same therefore it's all "subsidy" then at least be coherent and say what you mean. lol that you believe that marketing and bribes are a critical part of the development of medicine, when I said the government pays for all of it. tell me more about this astounding workflow where you can only cure cancer by giving gold bars to dipshit congressmen.
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Shame Boy posted:Wait it's not? How the gently caress am I supposed to cook gayly now dammit Cast-iron.
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Harik posted:this system of funding research indirectly by handing out negative-interest loans to anyone who claims they're worth at least a bil and enormous subsidies for buying out proven designs is vastly superior to the government just paying people to do research directly because it's not government interference in the free market The difference is that government funding is done by using MY MONEY that the IRS stole, whereas venture capital is good, well deserved surplus value extracted from Legitimate Sources.
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3D Megadoodoo posted:Cast-iron. No more dry meat! https://youtu.be/F2XawdY22Ek
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