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Lol my phone keeps autocorrecting hof to hot. wandler20 posted:His worst season in 15 season was 7-9. That's pretty drat incredible. 8 11+ win seasons. He's a great coach. Obviously his super bowl winning year is going to be the crown jewel, but his 2021 season being a winning onewas genuinely one of the best coaching jobs I've seen. That saints team had garbage for offensive talent and was injured to the point of being on 3rd stringers. Maybe it's still bias even in the face of 70-20, but I have to believe Denver is just completely bereft of talent and defensive coaching to drop this game with payton at the helm.
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https://twitter.com/jake_burns18/status/1706308712447545456 i don't know how you coach out of this
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Even as the trade was happening it seemed like Denver shipping out an absolute fuckton of assets for a QB whose better days are arguably behind him wasn't the best idea and I think that's part of what we're seeing now We're reaching for the half-opened package of ramen and the mystery unlabeled can in the back of the cupboard shyduck fucked around with this message at 16:45 on Sep 25, 2023 |
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really queer Christmas posted:I have to believe Denver is just completely bereft of talent and defensive coaching to drop this game with payton at the helm. I mean other than trading Chubb (to the Dolphins!) I don't think they had a major exodus of talent on the defensive side of the ball. The defense went from one of the best in the league to atrocious, and the most significant changes were coaching
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razorscooter posted:https://twitter.com/jake_burns18/status/1706308712447545456
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The Broncos handed out like $250 million in free agent contracts this offseason. Zach Allen, DE, 3 year $47.75 million Jarrett Stidham, QB, 2 year $10 million Ben Powers, OG, 4 year $51.5 million Alex Singleton, LB, 3 year $18 million Mike McGlinchey, RT, 5 year $87.5 million Samaje Perine, RB, 2 year $7.5 million Chris Manhertz, TE, 2 year $6 million Frank Clark, DE, 1 year $5.75 million
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razorscooter posted:https://twitter.com/jake_burns18/status/1706308712447545456 https://twitter.com/ArtButSports/status/1706338838153474384?t=J1oqV7btuXwEpZj27zycLg&s=19
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Docjowles posted:I mean other than trading Chubb (to the Dolphins!) I don't think they had a major exodus of talent on the defensive side of the ball. The defense went from one of the best in the league to atrocious, and the most significant changes were coaching The defense started falling apart at the end of last season. They gave up 51 to the Baker lead, Cooper Kupp-less Rams. 24 points to the Trace McSorely Cardinals. They went from giving up like 17 points a game to about 30 over the last 5 games.
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I think we need an oil painting of that like the Washington swinging gate play
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YOLOsubmarine posted:The defense started falling apart at the end of last season. They gave up 51 to the Baker lead, Cooper Kupp-less Rams. 24 points to the Trace McSorely Cardinals. They went from giving up like 17 points a game to about 30 over the last 5 games. I attributed this to the team completely quitting on Hackett but who knows. Immediately after he was fired they played the Chiefs close and beat the Chargers, forcing multiple turnovers in each
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Docjowles posted:I attributed this to the team completely quitting on Hackett but who knows. Immediately after he was fired they played the Chiefs close and beat the Chargers, forcing multiple turnovers in each The Chargers losing games they should win is just expected at this point. They still have up 27 and 28 points in those games which isn’t exactly a stellar defensive performance.
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I pretty firmly believe the Broncos defense have been tigers for a long time now, it's just that nobody was concerned about their offense. Everybody played them pretty conservatively, because pretty much the only way the Broncos could win is if you gifted them a bunch of opportunities off of turnovers. Now the Broncos have some semblance of an offense but a weak defense is getting utterly exposed.
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mcmagic posted:Nothing he said about Hackett wasn't true. Doesn’t matter. If you’re going to stand at a podium before a ball has been snapped and poo poo all over the previous coach, you probably don’t want to come out of the gate with a team that looks just as turgid at best and gets almost-historically blown out 3 games in. Payton’s Bronco’s are a clown show and the absolute funniest outcome - however unlikely - is that the Bears beat them this week.
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are the broncos defense just unfamiliar with how they have to play now? is every defensive look the wrong call? is vance joseph telling players to do things that are objectively wrong. why did they become that bad? that's freagging nuts.
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Cavauro posted:are the broncos defense just unfamiliar with how they have to play now? is every defensive look the wrong call? is vance joseph telling players to do things that are objectively wrong. why did they become that bad? that's freagging nuts. They have 2 defensive starts who are above average
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a neat cape posted:They have 2 defensive starts who are above average I was going to argue with this until I thought about it. Simmons is a very good safety, but he was hurt and missed the game. Surtain is a very good CB, but he's just one man. Rest of the secondary is mediocre at best. The linebackers are all bad. The defensive line is incapable of getting any pressure on a QB in under 5 seconds.
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ChocolatePancake posted:I was going to argue with this until I thought about it. Simmons is a very good safety, but he was hurt and missed the game. Surtain is a very good CB, but he's just one man. Rest of the secondary is mediocre at best. They all played above their talent level last year with Eviro until the season unraveled and Chubb got moved. That defense needs to be rebuilt from the ground up
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really queer Christmas posted:Payton had a lot of 7-9 seasons (in a row even) and dropped quite a few stinkers in nola. He's just got a great start and end in nola that covered up all that. Probably thought there was something with Wilson to salvage.
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a neat cape posted:They all played above their talent level last year with Eviro until the season unraveled and Chubb got moved. That defense needs to be rebuilt from the ground up And sadly building defensive talent was about the only thing GM Elway was good at. I wouldn't be surprised if this costs Paton his job, and rightfully so. Maybe ownership doubles down and lets Payton choose his own gm.
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Bumhead posted:Doesn’t matter. If you’re going to stand at a podium before a ball has been snapped and poo poo all over the previous coach, you probably don’t want to come out of the gate with a team that looks just as turgid at best and gets almost-historically blown out 3 games in. As was pointed out in another thread - a snap firing from this week isn't likely, despite my initial gut feelings on the matter. If they lose against the Bears and the Jets, though... like it really does feel like the potential for a 0-17 run is there, and I'm not sure the team as it exists can survive that. and it doesn't matter how good the offense gets if this is what we can expect from the d this year.
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SpaceDrake posted:As was pointed out in another thread - a snap firing from this week isn't likely, despite my initial gut feelings on the matter. Come on, 0-17 is not going to happen. It’s extremely hard to not win a single game in an NFL season. The Broncos are bad but they aren’t “one of the worst teams of all time” bad. The 2011 colts were actively tanking and lost a game by 55 points and still didn’t go 0-16.
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I am so excited for Bears Broncos. Bad football is my drug.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:Come on, 0-17 is not going to happen. It’s extremely hard to not win a single game in an NFL season. The Broncos are bad but they aren’t “one of the worst teams of all time” bad. Denver/Minnesota is gonna be fun
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a neat cape posted:Denver/Minnesota is gonna be fun A stopped force versus a moving object.
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SI graded the Broncos individual performances and, oof, this was bad. https://www.si.com/nfl/broncos/news/broncos-player-grades-dolphins-blowout-loss Spoiler alert ... the secondary and ILBs once Josey Jewell was knocked out were terrible (interestingly, he doesn't list a grade for Kareem Jackson). Delarrin Turner-Yell (S): 18.5 (50 is neutral) Alex Singleton (ILB): 19.7 Essang Basey (CB): 20.1 Drew Sanders (ILB): 27.3 Patrick Surtain II (CB): 37.2 The grader also said what I was thinking ... Russell Wilson produced ... and a lot more than he did last year ... but he made a ton of read and accuracy errors and left a lot of yards on the table, and unnecessarily was running from pressure that wasn't accounted for in blocking calls. By season's end, at least one of Vance Joseph or George Paton will be gone. It just depends on if player talent is blamed more than scheme and coaching to justify sparing one of them. Ginger Beer Belly fucked around with this message at 21:20 on Sep 26, 2023 |
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They're paying Payton 18 million a year and he's owed like 85 million still. He's not going anywhere unless the owners are gonna start leaking more emails.
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:They're paying Payton 18 million a year and he's owed like 85 million still. He's not going anywhere unless the owners are gonna start leaking more emails. Payton is safe but Paton isn’t.
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:They're paying Payton 18 million a year and he's owed like 85 million still. He's not going anywhere unless the owners are gonna start leaking more emails. I don't think Walmart cares
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:They're paying Payton 18 million a year and he's owed like 85 million still. He's not going anywhere unless the owners are gonna start leaking more emails. This is like 2-3 days of Walmart profits.
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lol https://twitter.com/CannataPFN/status/1706103658557927708?s=20
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The Broncos pretty easily could have gotten rid of Paton last off-season if they cared to. I would guess his security is pretty closely tied to Payton at this point. The only realistic scenario I see Vance Joseph not getting canned at the end of the season is if someone else throws up a 60 spot on the Broncos and they have to fire him midseason.
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Didn’t Payton almost hire Rex and went the boring route with Vance instead? What I’m saying is that the NFL is better with Rex in the league.
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Diva Cupcake posted:Didn’t Payton almost hire Rex and went the boring route with Vance instead? There is no way a Rex defense gives up 70 points to anyone.
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Simplex posted:I pretty firmly believe the Broncos defense have been tigers for a long time now, it's just that nobody was concerned about their offense. Everybody played them pretty conservatively, because pretty much the only way the Broncos could win is if you gifted them a bunch of opportunities off of turnovers. Not sold that the Offense is functional.
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Can't believe I'm gonna defend Russ, but Russell Wilson wasn't the reason they gave up 70 points, lol. He actually had a decent game! His one INT was a tip, and his receivers did him no favors. That said, my working theory is the game evolved while Payton was being a hack analyst and he didn't keep up.
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shyduck posted:We're reaching for the half-opened package of ramen and the mystery unlabeled can in the back of the cupboard 
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seiferguy posted:Can't believe I'm gonna defend Russ, but Russell Wilson wasn't the reason they gave up 70 points, lol. He actually had a decent game! His one INT was a tip, and his receivers did him no favors. He was out of coaching for one year, I don’t think this is a “game passed him by” situation, or at least not in the year he was away. If it passed him by it was a while ago and it just wasn’t obvious because Brees was so good at running his offense and once Brees was gone he still had a roster of hand picked players who knew what he wanted. But I think in this case it’s just that Denver’s offensive talent isn’t great and they haven’t had good offensive coaching in almost a decade so it’s going to be an uphill battle to get them functional on that side of the ball. As far as the defense goes, that’s clearly never been Payton’s strong suit. He had a bunch of really bad defenses before he found Allen.
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LiquidFriend posted:Are we sure about that? They've played 2 garbage teams so far and 3 quarters of garbage time against Miami. I'm not sold that they are any good, but they at least look acceptably mediocre, rather than hapless.
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