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teethgrinder posted:Those early Epic Megagames had such fantastic music for the era.  I went and worked out all the parts for Tubelectric from Jazz Jackrabbit. Can't quite play it, but still.
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Even well known games like the original Unreal have some gems hidden in them, like this track that only plays in a 30-second cutscene in the expansion pack. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4Tyd8SaZZM Bloody Pom fucked around with this message at 01:06 on Sep 26, 2023 |
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teethgrinder posted:Those early Epic Megagames had such fantastic music for the era. One Must Fall 2097's soundtrack is top-notch, and sounded bloody amazing with a Soundblaster card. That game was a fantastic fighter and I'm sad it never seems to get any recognition.
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Randalor posted:One Must Fall 2097's soundtrack is top-notch, and sounded bloody amazing with a Soundblaster card. That game was a fantastic fighter and I'm sad it never seems to get any recognition. That game is directly responsible for my love of fighting games, I spent so much time as a small child tricking out Pumas and Jaguars in story mode.
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Randalor posted:One Must Fall 2097's soundtrack is top-notch, and sounded bloody amazing with a Soundblaster card. That game was a fantastic fighter and I'm sad it never seems to get any recognition. Ironically, I always get One Must Fall and Rise of the Robots confused. You'd think I could keep the directions straight.
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Pigbuster posted:A little while back I chanced across this fantastic tracker tune and got lost in a rabbit hole trying to find anything about where it came from. All of the leads I could find were dead, including on archive.org, and all I could guess in the end is that it's from a fan-made Speccy remake of an ancient arcade game named Deviants that added this completely original track as BGM where the arcade version only had silence. I couldn't find anything about the artist, and checking it again today shows that the only website that catalogued anything about said Speccy remake, retrospec.sgn.net, has basically shut down. That Mod Archive page is the only evidence this rad song has ever existed, same with countless other orphaned songs. It gives me such a melancholic feeling. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xWeohXOa88 Listening again it sounds loving close!! Hyperlynx posted:
And yes OMF2097 was amazing.
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One Must Fall kicks rear end. It's funny how long it took me to realize they're actually giant mechs fighting in gargantuan arenas and not just human-sized robots.teethgrinder posted:I wonder if that intro was sampled from here: That's absolutely the sample, even the release years match up. Nice find!
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Was my favourite band in that era hah. I recognised it right away.
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https://twitter.com/FortunesRun/status/1706454220923162925 to go back to my valve approval process post, heres valve rejecting a game because a sexual assault scene wasnt graphic enough
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Endorph posted:https://twitter.com/FortunesRun/status/1706454220923162925 uh, what?
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Endorph posted:https://twitter.com/FortunesRun/status/1706454220923162925 their other complaint is uh that valve gave them the feedback an average player would going by steam reviews
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Wiggly Wayne DDS posted:i'm reading it as the dev's warning about sexual assault wasn't explicit enough about what happens in-game The reply from the Postal devs is pretty funny in its own way:  Also there is not enough  in the world for the description that they gave of their own game.
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Endorph posted:https://twitter.com/FortunesRun/status/1706454220923162925 'They rejected the game because it didn't work. Annoying, but understandable'
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Wiggly Wayne DDS posted:i'm reading it as the dev's warning about sexual assault wasn't explicit enough about what happens in-game No, the reviewer bounced it because there was a warning, but the in-game presentation wasn’t explicit enough to count, so they want the content warning removed.
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stev posted:'They rejected the game because it didn't work. Annoying, but understandable' I assume "couldn't exit" meant "were unable to because they couldn't figure it out" rather "it was literally impossible because our game is broken", maybe giving the dev too much credit but there is a demo out of the tutorial I believe and it sounds like it works there. Honestly actually playing the game sounds like more than I gathered Valve actually did in terms of testing new games.
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The only other game I can think of where the player is sexually assaulted, besides porn games I guess, is FEAR 2
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'Too many games make rape look cool and fun' is, uh, a statement.
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Imo they should focus more on the content that's only accessible by console command after getting stuck in the tutorial and less on the first-person sequence in which you're sexually assaulted by an alien
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everyone wants a true sequel to Quake 3 but isn't brave enough to play one where you get rapedImpAtom posted:'Too many games make rape look cool and fun' is, uh, a statement. the specific word choice is much worse then this implies, they said "gratifying and arousing" which is very much a questionable statement as to what they are making that determination from
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thebardyspoon posted:I assume "couldn't exit" meant "were unable to because they couldn't figure it out" rather "it was literally impossible because our game is broken", maybe giving the dev too much credit but there is a demo out of the tutorial I believe and it sounds like it works there. Honestly actually playing the game sounds like more than I gathered Valve actually did in terms of testing new games. If they were just playing the game wrong surely they could just give them the answer instead of telling them to open console commands? Is this what PC gaming does to a mfer?
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They finished recording VA 12 hours ago so I think there might be other production issues we aren't hearing about
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mycot posted:If they were just playing the game wrong surely they could just give them the answer instead of telling them to open console commands? Is this what PC gaming does to a mfer? Eh I've worked in QA and you almost never have perfect access to explain stuff between disparate companies and with this it sounds like contact isn't an immediate thing, like an email chain with hours/days between responses rather than instant message like a slack or discord or whatever so trying to explain and anticipate any follow up questions might have impeded matters. You can send a screenshot, a video, do a screenshare of you completing the thing to show them exactly how it's done or whatever obviously, if that's allowed/they have whatever transference method available for a video ready and waiting, etc. So for example, the note might have just been "tutorial is uncompletable" and that could run the gammut from "it is actually hosed" to "we got halfway through it then didn't read a prompt properly and so couldn't continue it" to "we finished it but you have to press a button on a wall on the side of the room after you finish and it's not amazingly signposted" and loads of edge cases in between so they just said "look you can do x, y and z to get out of the tutorial (that being completing it properly and then like, selecting a terminal or whatever and the Valve testers just missed it, very possible depending on how overworked and quick to say "ok this is hosed, move on to the next thing" they are) or you can use this console command and trust us that it works the proper way too". Like clearly valve oks broken poo poo all the time so I find it hard to believe they are rigorously testing every game the way I've been familiar with doing, this seems unusual based on what I've heard Steams process being is all I'm saying. The way I've heard it is that their certification process was more a formality that mainly checks for truly malicious stuff and out and out scams and companies were expected to have done their own QA in whatever capacity for any real work in that regard but obviously from this things have changed or they just always did a bit more than I'd been lead to believe. Also, just to clarify, I'm not trying to carry water for the devs, the entire rest of that statement is very weird, as Impatom says, "other devs try to make their sexual assault scenes too sexy" is an odd statement, I've clearly not been playing the same games that dev has. Usually I'd say they use sexual assault to try and be edgy/shocking which is gratuitous but in a different way I guess. Either way, a very weird statement. I just wanted to say the first reason for the game being rejected might not be a case of the devs being bad specifically, they just might have made a poorly explained tutorial or whatever, or yeah they could have just hosed up and made an actively broken tutorial as well of course. thebardyspoon fucked around with this message at 19:53 on Sep 26, 2023 |
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thebardyspoon posted:
Has this dev published anything on Steam before? Wonder if this is some kind of "are you a real game" check that Steam does on total newbies to make sure they aren't a scam or something.
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thebardyspoon posted:So for example, the note might have just been "tutorial is uncompletable" and that could run the gammut from "it is actually hosed" to "we got halfway through it then didn't read a prompt properly and so couldn't continue it" to "we finished it but you have to press a button on a wall on the side of the room after you finish and it's not amazingly signposted" and loads of edge cases in between so they just said "look you can do x, y and z to get out of the tutorial (that being completing it properly and then like, selecting a terminal or whatever and the Valve testers just missed it, very possible depending on how overworked and quick to say "ok this is hosed, move on to the next thing" they are) or you can use this console command and trust us that it works the proper way too". I'm not familiar with Valve's verification process but if "Yeah this bit is kind of confusing/not signposted properly" is actually an approval failing issue it seems like that would come up all the time for a huge number of games? Maybe they're just leaving things out but the dev's story is very strange.
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"rape is a motivation in our hero's journey" is such garbage writing that I wish Valve actually DID reject games for that poo poo but yeah, valve only cares that your poo poo can open and close, and isn't a virus. they don't care about sexual content in games until people complain loudly enough about a specific game this dev is being sketchy about their explanation and they're also shittalking at the DUSK developer so idk. i don't like the vibes going on here e: when asked why they're crunching so much when they can just delay their response is, "this is just how it is, shut up" https://twitter.com/FortunesRun/status/1706729464275595459 The 7th Guest fucked around with this message at 19:59 on Sep 26, 2023 |
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Endorph posted:https://twitter.com/FortunesRun/status/1706454220923162925 what in god's name did i just read
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pentyne posted:the specific word choice is much worse then this implies, they said "gratifying and arousing" which is very much a questionable statement as to what they are making that determination from
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The 7th Guest posted:"rape is a motivation in our hero's journey" is such garbage writing that I wish Valve actually DID reject games for that poo poo but yeah, valve only cares that your poo poo can open and close, and isn't a virus. they don't care about sexual content in games until people complain loudly enough about a specific game Calling yourselves auteurs is probably a good sign
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Endorph posted:pictured: a video game you can purchase on steam lol jesus christ
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I'm glad I can finally find a game willing to offer some serious, mature critique on the heavily flawed premise behind Heavenly Badonkers Angel Bitches.
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Endorph posted:to go back to my valve approval process post, heres valve rejecting a game because a sexual assault scene wasnt graphic enough Between their "You just don't understand, we NEED to get this game out! We're AUTEURS" and that apparently this is the one time in the entire history of Steam that Valve did a quality check on a game... yeah, something stinks to high heaven here. Even if it's just a very hamfisted "See the game Steam tried to ban!" guerilla advertising.
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Endorph posted:well, probably all the rape porn on steam I feel like trying to portray your (presumably not porn) game's rape as being better than porn games you've kind of already entered into a losing fight. It probably is but nobody's really going "Man, Atelier Ryza sure has a healthier attitude towards women than Ruined Anal Sluts 74"
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the devs seem like morons but stuff gets denied from steam for completely random minutiae all the time. it seems like the amount of effort put into researching it and the reasons you might get denied are just completely random based on which individual is reviewing your game, outside of 'literally does not launch.' for instance there are dozens of games on steam so broken you need to noclip out of the tutorial.
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regardless of whether rape can be depicted well in a game and be emotionally explored in its story without being exploitative, i don't trust this particular boomer shooter dev who apparently is making it one (graphic) second of a flashback cutscene, and is spending today primarily yelling at people random poo poo like "what about the manga Berserk??"Endorph posted:there are also games on steam that literally dont launch.
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having to feed console commands to valve so they can access a level but then they mention that its because their sexual content wasn't graphic enough and that's why they got rejected is uhhhhh some weird hosed up brainworms. Like even typing that made head spin lol
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The 7th Guest posted:regardless of whether rape can be depicted well in a game and be emotionally explored in its story without being exploitative, i don't trust this particular boomer shooter dev who apparently is making it one (graphic) second of a flashback cutscene, and is spending today primarily yelling at people random poo poo like "what about the manga Berserk??" but hes very correct that a ton of stuff where it exists to get off to is on steam so like, whether its handled well is immaterial
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Endorph posted:the devs seem like morons but stuff gets denied from steam for completely random minutiae all the time. it seems like the amount of effort put into researching it and the reasons you might get denied are just completely random based on which individual is reviewing your game, outside of 'literally does not launch.' Yeah, but that's just a failure of Steam's verification process to do its job, not an indication that they're OK with games that can't get past the tutorial without using cheats. I'm more interested in what their actual feedback to the devs on why they're getting denied is. Right now we're getting the dev's version of things which is really loving weird, but I'm also wondering how reliable a source they are.
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