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silicone thrills
Jan 9, 2008

I paint things

bedpan posted:

western society is going to manage long covid with a combination of accusing sufferers of malingering, saying that people who got covid just didn't follow precautions and are chuds, and with anecdotal claims of "well XYZ got covid twice and they are fine."

wow just like yellow fever in the 1800s

only good souls survive.

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SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

The Oldest Man posted:

It's called malingering :smugdog:

Malingering cough is nothing to worry about.

DominoKitten
Aug 7, 2012

Skinnymansbeerbelly posted:

I don't think I've seen it posted before: I made "the backpack" into a multiclass air cleaner. The MERV 13 for COVID and wildfire smoke, and the full size carbon filter for motel smells.





I just want to be pure.

“The longing is to be pure. What you get is to be changed.”

Animal-Mother
Feb 14, 2012

RABBIT RABBIT
RABBIT RABBIT

eXXon posted:

Wow Animal-Mother's restaurant is cooking up some weird poo poo here.

Ya gotta let it reduce (the human population, i mean)

Computer Serf
May 14, 2005
Buglord

Zodium posted:

Why Am I So Tired posted:

It's really getting harder and harder to combat all of this bullshit. The worst people in the world have thoroughly won the information war, and not only were they able to rewrite history, but they've somehow managed to rewrite what's actually taking place in real time. It's absolutely insane.

cybernetic capitalism ftw

mass media narrative repetition is insanely effective because most people are lazy and spending most of their attention watching netflix or settling for shallow social interactions with coworkers or basic lib peers
the future is unwritten though

it’s not quite a brave new world or 1984 maybe closer to the wizard of oz, and idiocracy with crude cybernetic social engineering but it’s not magic, just smoke and mirrors. ultimately it’s people, rituals and narratives.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=j4M11Wls708

Computer Serf has issued a correction as of 08:57 on Sep 27, 2023

Computer Serf
May 14, 2005
Buglord

Fur20 posted:

2010: obama approves super pacs in order to play to centrist voters, setting up the political landscape that elected trump, who fumbled the pandemic so badly that his successor's pathetic non-response seemed herculean, and the state had to sustain the illusion that nothing was wrong in order to maintain its power.

2032: goon compound declares independence. so-called world powers are unable to muster a sufficient number of healthy troops to assert themselves, and are forced to recognize its autonomy.

2033: "goat man" becomes the official state animal of goonlandia

2105: generation ship "kirk johnson" embarks on settlement mission to alpha centauri

:hmmrona:

U-DO Burger
Nov 12, 2007




muh lingering

Zugzwang
Jan 2, 2005

You have a kind of sick desperation in your laugh.


Ramrod XTreme

U-DO Burger posted:

muh lingering

A Bag of Milk
Jul 3, 2007

I don't see any American dream; I see an American nightmare.
https://x.com/ONSchoolSafety/status/1706359835598389632?s=20

Love that kid dressed as the corsi rosenthal box!

Bastard Tetris
Apr 27, 2005

L-Shaped


Nap Ghost

lmao I think I can make one of these at least semi functional for a halloween costume

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

Bastard Tetris posted:

lmao I think I can make one of these at least semi functional for a halloween costume

Make the Christmas Tree into a PAPR.

Woodsy Owl
Oct 27, 2004
A massive insurer (Aetna) refused to renegotiate with a massive hospital system (EvergreenHealth) in Washington state and the system will no longer be In Network with Aetna on October 1st. Cool and fine system we have here. Now my wife has to find a new PCP and OB, and try to establish a relationship with those new people.

Edit: or maybe this is just normal bullshit and they will come to an agreement at the 11th hour. Still absolute bullshit that patients are being folded into this stupid negotiation. Again. Great loving system we have here. Christ.

Woodsy Owl has issued a correction as of 05:12 on Sep 27, 2023

silicone thrills
Jan 9, 2008

I paint things
When I still had aetna they went to be 11th hour threatening to drop UW healthcare and we kept getting letters about it and its super loving awful. Part of the reason why when I got a job with group health (now kaiser) as an option i jumped on it because I hated how stupid and disconnected everything was and how hard it was to figure out who was in network.

Baddog
May 12, 2001

Woodsy Owl posted:

A massive insurer (Aetna) refused to renegotiate with a massive hospital system (EvergreenHealth) in Washington state and the system will no longer be In Network with Aetna on October 1st. Cool and fine system we have here. Now my wife has to find a new PCP and OB, and try to establish a relationship with those new people.

Edit: or maybe this is just normal bullshit and they will come to an agreement at the 11th hour. Still absolute bullshit that patients are being folded into this stupid negotiation. Again. Great loving system we have here. Christ.

Good luck. Cigna was battling it out with most of the major hospitals in my area last year, and came to an agreement at the last minute.

I did pull up a map and was like "gently caress, how far are we gonna have to go to get to a hospital where i won't be charged an even more insane amount of money if we have an emergency???"

Things are getting real spicy out here.

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

I love the way our dumbass country treats people's healthcare with the exact same rules and social urgency as your ninth comedy channel getting into a pricing dispute with your cable provider

CoasterMaster
Aug 13, 2003

The Emperor of the Rides


Nap Ghost
My insurance (Premera Blue Cross) also had beef with UW medicine. They patched things up at the last minute.

Bastard Tetris
Apr 27, 2005

L-Shaped


Nap Ghost

Platystemon posted:

Make the Christmas Tree into a PAPR.

I only have the inflatable T-Rex suit and the PAPR isn’t mine

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

sucks to be right

Bastard Tetris posted:

I only have the inflatable T-Rex suit and the PAPR isn’t mine

If you can just add some kind of filtration to the suit's intake then it should act as a juryrigged PAPR

E: thread project!

Computer Serf
May 14, 2005
Buglord

toggle posted:

https://petapixel.com/assets/uploads/2023/09/neil-saunders-3rd-place-under-50mb.mp4

Human cells fuse and die upon infection by SARS-CoV-2. Holotomography, 60x (objective lens magnification).

Taken from the Nikon Small World Competition

:stare:

om nom nom :munch: the hunger is real

Steve Yun
Aug 7, 2003
I'm a parasitic landlord that needs to get a job instead of stealing worker's money. Make sure to remind me when I post.
Soiled Meat
poll of 1091 people: 52% support a mask mandate

https://www.newsweek.com/democrats-support-mask-mandate-1830003

Pingui
Jun 4, 2006

WTF?
Paxlovid stores under wavelet conditions looking good.

https://www.reuters.com/business/he...ceo-2023-09-26/ posted:

About 250,000 courses of COVID pill Paxlovid being administered per week - Pfizer CEO
(..)
Pfizer has sold nearly 24 million courses of Paxlovid to the U.S. government, which has distributed only about 15 million courses so far, according to U.S. Department of Health and Human Services data.

According to IQVIA data published by research analysts, the oral antiviral COVID-19 treatment Paxlovid hit around 217,000 prescriptions in the U.S. in the week of Sept. 1, but has dropped since then.

It will be interesting to see how they fare under wave conditions.

Pingui
Jun 4, 2006

WTF?
It's been a while since there was last news about menstruation and vaccines. While this article is nominally about unexpected bleeding among non-menstruating women, this is marked substantiation that there is an effect. Apparently the EMA added the side effect of heavy menstrual bleeding to the mRNA insert back in October 2022, but the cause is still unknown.

"Unexpected vaginal bleeding and COVID-19 vaccination in nonmenstruating women"

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.adg1391 posted:

Abstract
The association between coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) vaccination and vaginal bleeding among nonmenstruating women is not well studied. The Norwegian Institute of Public Health followed several cohorts throughout the pandemic and early performed a systematic data collection of self-reported unexpected vaginal bleeding in nonmenstruating women. Among 7725 postmenopausal women, 7148 perimenopausal women, and 7052 premenopausal women, 3.3, 14.1, and 13.1% experienced unexpected vaginal bleeding during a period of 8 to 9 months, respectively. In postmenopausal women, the risk of unexpected vaginal bleeding (i.e., postmenopausal bleeding) in the 4 weeks after COVID-19 vaccination was increased two- to threefold, compared to a prevaccination period. The corresponding risk of unexpected vaginal bleeding after vaccination was increased three- to fivefold in both nonmenstruating peri- and premenopausal women. In the premenopausal women, Spikevax was associated with at 32% increased risk as compared to Comirnaty. Our results must be confirmed in future studies.

Article on the matter:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-02996-6 posted:

COVID vaccines linked to unexpected vaginal bleeding
A large cohort study measured how frequently women reported bleeding after receiving COVID-19 jabs.
(..)
Widespread effect
The team looked at more than 21,000 responses from postmenopausal, perimenopausal and non-menstruating premenopausal women — including some who were on long-term hormonal contraceptives.

The results were surprising, says Blix. They found that 252 postmenopausal women, 1,008 perimenopausal women and 924 premenopausal women reported experiencing unexpected vaginal bleeding.

Of these, roughly half of each group said that the bleeding came in the four weeks after the first or second vaccine dose, or both. Premenopausal and perimenopausal women were most likely to report unexpected bleeding in the month after the vaccine, with their risk being three to five times as high as before the vaccinations existed. The risk for postmenopausal women increased by two- to threefold.

Norway used the mRNA jabs made by Moderna and Pfizer–BioNTech, and other vaccines including the one made by AstraZeneca. In October 2022, the European Medicines Agency updated the side-effect information of mRNA vaccines to include heavy menstrual bleeding.

Unexpected bleeding after menopause is usually considered medically serious, and could be an early sign of conditions including endometrial carcinoma and precancerous lesions. Although the cause of the post-vaccination bleeding isn’t clear, if it’s a known side-effect of the shots, physicians can take this into account when evaluating a patient’s condition. “Postmenopausal bleeding is often very concerning and a possible sign of cancer. Knowing a patient’s vaccination status could put their bleeding incidence into context, ” says Kate Clancy, a biological anthropologist at the University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign.

Clancy’s group has published results2 of their own survey showing changes in menstrual bleeding after COVID-19 vaccination. She says that the results align with her team’s findings and could help to inform patients and clinicians.

“The most important contribution of this and other documentation will be that female bleeding patterns are included as end points, or monitored, in clinical trials of new vaccines — and perhaps even drug trials,” says Blix.

“Hooray for another group looking at peri- and postmenopausal people!” says Clancy. “I’m so glad to see more attention on a very underserved group.”

Pingui
Jun 4, 2006

WTF?
Some EU vaccine news. Basically it is uncertain if only Pfizer will be available. Moderna's contract has expired, Novavax expires end-of-year, while Pfizer's delivery contract has been extended to 2027.

https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-mrna-covid-19-vaccines-tender-health/ posted:

Europe drawing up years-long mRNA COVID vaccines tender
Multiple countries have confirmed interest to start talks but timing is now paramount for winter.

The European Commission is drawing up plans for a tender for mRNA COVID-19 vaccines, according to people close to the discussions — but it’s unclear if doses will be secured in time for this winter.

Several countries have confirmed to POLITICO that a tender for the joint procurement of COVID-19 mRNA vaccines is being discussed. This contract would run from 2023 through 2026 and would be the first joint procurement of COVID-19 vaccines outside of the pandemic.
(..)
Currently, Pfizer/BioNTech is the only mRNA vaccine maker still to hold a valid contract. But the Commission’s controversial decision to lock in 1.1 billion doses of their jab effectively excluded other players from the market, a situation made worse after the deal was renegotiated to spread deliveries into 2027.
(..)
Diversifying vaccine portfolios
Earlier this month, CEO Stéphane Bancel, said that adding Moderna’s new XBB.1.5-targeted vaccine to immunization programs would “ensure a diversified portfolio that provides vaccine choice and access to single dose vial formats, which can limit waste." Moderna's previous EU contract expired in early 2023.

On Thursday, Emer Cooke, head of the European Medicines Agency, reiterated the need for countries to have a diverse portfolio of COVID-19 vaccines. This “really gives the opportunities for health care systems to choose what works best in their own environment,” she said. That includes a “range of different vaccines — mRNA, protein-based — that provide the European population with the greatest choice and options that we can,” she added.

Experts have called out the need to ensure supply chain resiliency through multiple vaccine manufacturers.

Novavax has a protein-based COVID-19 vaccine and is expecting an EU decision on its XBB.1.5 updated shot the week of October 9. The vaccine will be available to EU countries through its existing EU contract but this will expire by the end of the year, a spokesperson told POLITICO.

The European Commission, HERA and the countries have not confirmed if further COVID-19 vaccine tendering processes are in the works.

Teenage Riot
May 25, 2010

Woodsy Owl posted:

A massive insurer (Aetna) refused to renegotiate with a massive hospital system (EvergreenHealth) in Washington state and the system will no longer be In Network with Aetna on October 1st. Cool and fine system we have here. Now my wife has to find a new PCP and OB, and try to establish a relationship with those new people.

Edit: or maybe this is just normal bullshit and they will come to an agreement at the 11th hour. Still absolute bullshit that patients are being folded into this stupid negotiation. Again. Great loving system we have here. Christ.

My insurer/doctor also had this fight (and resolved it at the 11th hour) for the first time I can recall after 7-8 years or so. I’m sure this is a thing that happens periodically but based on this page I wonder if it’s happening Faster Than Expected

Pingui
Jun 4, 2006

WTF?
NYT piece on post-infection fatigue and how to combat it, largely mirroring the standard advice dispensed itt. Let your body rest, start slow and monitor progress. Do not force it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/27/well/live/covid-symptoms-fatigue.html posted:

The Mystery Around Covid Fatigue
Here’s what we’re learning about this debilitating symptom and how to manage it.

Of all the classic Covid symptoms (the dry cough, the stinging throat, the achiness), fatigue may be one of the most debilitating, persistent and confounding.
(..)
But it’s somewhat of a mystery why some people experience really intense fatigue during an infection — the kind that leaves them flattened on the couch, unable to even watch T.V. or heat up soup — while others merely feel drained. It’s also not yet clear why extreme fatigue persists in some people months after they test negative, a hallmark of long Covid.
(..)
Why Covid might cause fatigue
One hypothesis for why people can feel so exhausted is that Covid may disrupt the mitochondria — what Dr. Peter Chin-Hong, an infectious disease specialist at the University of California, San Francisco, calls the Energizer bunnies of our cells. Mitochondrial dysfunction can slow down the body, he said, and this can last beyond the acute phase of an infection.

Sleep disturbances may also contribute to overall fatigue during and after an infection, as Covid makes it harder to get a good night’s rest.

Another theory, specifically related to long Covid, is that the virus may linger in the body even after someone tests negative, Dr. Al-Aly said. After an infection clears, the body should flip an “off switch,” he said, signaling that it no longer needs to fight off the virus. But in people with long Covid, he said, the body stays in defense mode, continuing to conserve energy.

New research published Monday points to an additional potential cause: People with long Covid seem to have significantly less morning cortisol, the hormone that gets you “up and going” when you wake up, Dr. Chin-Hong said. Cortisol deficiency, in general, can lead to fatigue.

Researchers are still trying to untangle why some people develop long Covid and not others. “That’s really the great puzzle,” Dr. Al-Aly said.

Potential remedies
There is no established protocol yet for resolving fatigue, but “The basic rule is rest,” Dr. Al-Aly said. “You don’t want to fight it.”

During an active infection, listen to your body: Take it easy as much as possible and make sure you are adequately replenishing fluids.

If intense fatigue persists for more than 30 days after you test negative, Dr. Al-Aly advised talking to your primary care doctor sooner rather than later to figure out a course of action.

For people with long Covid, getting enough sleep is vital, said Dr. Fernando Carnavali, site director of the Center for Post-Covid Care at Mount Sinai Doctors, Ansonia. Fragmented or insufficient sleep can exacerbate exhaustion. It is important to follow the fundamentals of sleep hygiene: Try to fall asleep and wake up at consistent hours, keep your bedroom dark and cool, avoid alcohol too close to bedtime and carve out time to unwind before you shut your eyes.

People with fatigue related to long Covid should also be careful about exercise, Dr. Carnavali said, starting slow and very gradually building back exercise tolerance.

If you are struggling with fatigue, recognize that you may have a new baseline, Dr. Carnavali said. He advises his long Covid patients to keep a journal over a two-week period to track how they feel after doing everyday activities — maybe a wave of fatigue hits after dinner with friends, or you find it difficult to read for an hour. Understanding these correlations can help prevent you from pushing yourself too hard. Dr. Carnavali also said reframing is important: “I cannot do 10 miles; I will do half of that. I cannot do dishes for half an hour; I will do them for five minutes.”

“You have to define new baselines in order to adapt,”
he said. The extreme fatigue associated with long Covid “may go away — some people are getting better, and this is just great to see,” he said.

But “There are new patients every week,” he added.

I actually think the advice generally given itt is better, as it is more concrete, but I'll take it :shrug:

Archived link: https://archive.li/i3iCY

Pingui
Jun 4, 2006

WTF?
Cool piece on the COVID nerds (not the type of article meaningfully cut, so just an excerpt, but the whole thing is interesting):

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/27/covid-hunters-amateur-sleuths-tracking-virus-variants-coronavirus posted:

Covid hunters: the amateur sleuths tracking the virus and its variants
How a schoolteacher and a dog educator became crucial to the global fight against coronavirus

At the onset of the Covid-19 pandemic, the fight against the disease was described by heads of government and public health bosses on primetime television.

Countries would receive daily updates collated from data that had been analysed by the world-leading virologists and academics.

But three years later, the pandemic’s trajectory is becoming more difficult to predict – and decision-makers are increasingly reliant on the warnings of a diverse bunch of independent researchers.

This week, Ryan Hisner, a teacher from Indiana, US, was listed alongside various academic co-authors on a paper in Nature, describing how the antiviral drug molnupiravir used to treat patients with Covid-19 may be fuelling the evolution of new variants by creating a specific set of mutations.

The first of these mutated variants was identified by another amateur virus hunter – Nick Rose, 27, a software engineer from Wisconsin. While it is not clear whether such mutations help the virus to tolerate the drug, the findings could have implications for how antivirals are deployed, scientists say.

In common with other self-taught Covid sleuths, Hisner has no formal education in virology – just a knack for spotting patterns and the motivation to wade through reams of genetic data each day. Now with several years of experience under their belts, experts argue that such individuals have become a crucial component of global virus surveillance.
(..)

NeonPunk
Dec 21, 2020

Got another coworker who's been out sick for the past 4 days now. Totally normal for him tho, he was also out sick several times though the years, he just took few sick days near the end of last month.

I can remember a time where getting sick on a monthly basis would get the gossip going "they're sickly, poor them" but nowadays it's just a total normal thing to happen, in fact they will just start sharing about the time they were sick last (never heard anyone said it was more than a year ago). I'm starting to feel like I'm the weird one out for getting sick last in 2015 when I got a flu thing

Pingui
Jun 4, 2006

WTF?

NeonPunk posted:

(..)
I'm starting to feel like I'm the weird one out for getting sick last in 2015 when I got a flu thing

*Looks at NeonPunk*
"They're never sick, poor them for their lack of immunity"

NeonPunk
Dec 21, 2020

Alright now some thing suddenly make tons of sense

https://twitter.com/justthefacts85/status/1706854793527087172

No moth juices for us all

Oracle
Oct 9, 2004

NeonPunk posted:

Alright now some thing suddenly make tons of sense

https://twitter.com/justthefacts85/status/1706854793527087172

No moth juices for us all

Is this possibly the Wall Street bets people trying to game the market again?

Trauts
May 1, 2010
Coworker got covid. Got told to come back. Had a speech about how he doesn't believe in masks etc but still wore one when he came back and was still symptomatic...for one day. Next day, no mask. Surprise surprise I got covid now. Boss blames me rather than the coworker who he told to come back in, questions why I even tested in the first place, and if I really feel too bad to go work. Dudes a shitbag, and gently caress the coworker for making the effort for one day then just saying gently caress it while knowing you're infectious. God drat America

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

Trauts posted:

Coworker got covid. Got told to come back. Had a speech about how he doesn't believe in masks etc but still wore one when he came back and was still symptomatic...for one day. Next day, no mask. Surprise surprise I got covid now. Boss blames me rather than the coworker who he told to come back in, questions why I even tested in the first place, and if I really feel too bad to go work. Dudes a shitbag, and gently caress the coworker for making the effort for one day then just saying gently caress it while knowing you're infectious. God drat America

Donald Trump was a visionary

U-DO Burger
Nov 12, 2007




Trauts posted:

Coworker got covid. Got told to come back. Had a speech about how he doesn't believe in masks etc but still wore one when he came back and was still symptomatic...for one day. Next day, no mask. Surprise surprise I got covid now. Boss blames me rather than the coworker who he told to come back in, questions why I even tested in the first place, and if I really feel too bad to go work. Dudes a shitbag, and gently caress the coworker for making the effort for one day then just saying gently caress it while knowing you're infectious. God drat America

holy poo poo this is infuriating, I'm so sorry

NeonPunk
Dec 21, 2020

Oracle posted:

Is this possibly the Wall Street bets people trying to game the market again?

Not at all. Those Wall Street Bets people are completely opposed to shorting stocks, it's the main point of their thing, they believe that shorting is evil and the reason why they all aren't rich yet

Diamonds On MY Fish
Dec 10, 2008

I WAS BORN THIS WAY
This article about a potential pan-coronavirus vaccine seems like too much good news, has to be fake, right? https://www.marketwatch.com/story/v...oncern-3aff0db3

Dr_0ctag0n
Apr 25, 2015


The whole human race
sentenced
to
burn

Animal-Mother posted:

Manager randomly says he hasn't been able to taste anything since Mother's Day. :psyduck:

Managers can have a little brain damage as a treat

Trauts
May 1, 2010

bedpan posted:

Donald Trump was a visionary

lmao yep

mdemone
Mar 14, 2001

Diamonds On MY Fish posted:

This article about a potential pan-coronavirus vaccine seems like too much good news, has to be fake, right? https://www.marketwatch.com/story/v...oncern-3aff0db3

if they're not lying, that's the holy grail

"all participants" out of a trial of 101 patients. that's pretty awesome.

I need to read the biochemistry paper but I bet they haven't published that

edit: here's the press release itself, nothing else is available right now:

https://www.vbivaccines.com/press-r...nts-of-concern/

mdemone has issued a correction as of 15:34 on Sep 27, 2023

call_of_qthulhu
Nov 21, 2003


Fun Shoe

Pingui posted:

It's been a while since there was last news about menstruation and vaccines. While this article is nominally about unexpected bleeding among non-menstruating women, this is marked substantiation that there is an effect. Apparently the EMA added the side effect of heavy menstrual bleeding to the mRNA insert back in October 2022, but the cause is still unknown.

"Unexpected vaginal bleeding and COVID-19 vaccination in nonmenstruating women"

Article on the matter:

i am still unreasonably angry/bitter about how hard i was gaslit about this. the person at the health district i spoke with (got my initial vaccinations there) literally laughed at me when i asked about the shot affecting menstruation.

yes it was a cis man

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Fireside Nut
Feb 10, 2010

turp


NeonPunk posted:

Alright now some thing suddenly make tons of sense

https://twitter.com/justthefacts85/status/1706854793527087172

No moth juices for us all

My guess is that the stock is being heavily shorted because the bubble around Covid-related stocks burst a while back. Moderna hit around $400 a share back around Delta, (or Omicron) I think. But after the vax mandates were lifted, governments ditched most public health measures, and people returned to 'normal' there just isn't the same demand and massive guaranteed government contracts that existed previously. Moderna's stock is now at ~$99.

Even if Novavax gets their vax approved, it's not going to be the big money maker for the company that it would have been in late 2020/2021. The stock market is generally forward looking for biotech stocks and outside of the Covid vaccine candidates, the rest of their pipeline isn't that impressive: influenza vaccine and malaria vaccine in stage 2. Depending on how much cash they have on hand/need to raise funds/ etc. it makes sense for it to be shorted to hell. But :capitalism: That's my guess on it all, anyways.

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