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I wonder if one of the writers for Bojack Horseman was asexual, considering how deftly that was handled with Todd and his partners
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Aces High posted:I wonder if one of the writers for Bojack Horseman was asexual, considering how deftly that was handled with Todd and his partners Apparently the creative team brought in a consultant when they realised they wanted to be explicit about Todd's asexuality, to make sure they wouldn't gently caress up too bad.
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yeah the Todd asexuality plot was uncommonly stark. Can't speak to the accuracy but, it felt like they had at least one person in the room who really really gave a gently caress about doing it well. Aramek posted:Also how were any of the characters in Fight Club failed men? They all had, like, jobs and stuff. They should just stop feeling unfulfilled. Toxic masculinity does that to a motherfucker, and the pervasive/encapsulating nature of toxic male norms is a huge theme in every scene. That's why the first place Ed Norton's guy goes to feel superior/secure in his own masculinity is a support group for literal castrati. Ironically of the quadrilogy of late 90s "White Man unhappy with excellent life" -- Fight Club, American Beauty, The Office, and The Matrix -- I find Neo's dissatisfaction to be some of the more contemptible. Cast aside the fact that he can probably just 'sense' that his universe is off by virtue of being The One for a minute, and you see a dude working a droning job but he's clearly got a solid paycheck in a hip area with a cool apartment and connections to a social life that seems to want/accept him. Like oh no poor baby, does it feel like treading water going to that office and working to save? Must be something wrong with everyone. Sure Kevin Spacey in American Beauty is much more reprehensible-- most of his midlife crisis is spurned by his desire to gently caress a high schooler-- but it's also easier to understand why he breaks even if he's a sack of human garbage before, during, and after. Office Space is just kind-of neutral. Dude coasted into a cushy white collar gig and didn't realize he was better suited to other work. Not terribly sympathetic but not exactly an ungrateful jerk, just kind-of dim.
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Sep 28, 2023 02:44
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I like the original ending to Office Space where the construction site boss comes up to them and says the exact same line as the office boss.
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mind the walrus posted:yeah the Todd asexuality plot was uncommonly stark. Can't speak to the accuracy but, it felt like they had at least one person in the room who really really gave a gently caress about doing it well. okay i know we're all goons here but is this your standard for a "cool apartment" 
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Sep 28, 2023 02:52
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That would cost $9000 dollars per month to rent today.
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FreudianSlippers posted:That would cost $9000 dollars per month to rent today. in Adelaide, Australia or wherever the gently caress they filmed the Matrix????
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Sep 28, 2023 02:56
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Alaois posted:okay i know we're all goons here but is this your standard for a "cool apartment" "Cool apartment" translates to "even the cockroaches are smoking crack" Asterite34 has a new favorite as of 03:13 on Sep 28, 2023 |
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Sep 28, 2023 03:02
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Neo is also living the exact same year ad infinitum with fake memories to stop him from noticing. Seems like the most justified angst of the four to me.
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Sep 28, 2023 04:03
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Neo is right to notice that he’s part of an evil machine that is definitely more literal but only slightly less evil than the actual machines controlling the real world, of which Warner Bros is one.
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Sep 28, 2023 04:08
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Will Smith turned down Neo to be in Wild Wild West, so I'm not sure if Neo falls into the category except by default because the actor that ended up accepting the role was white. Interestingly enough, Wikipedia says that Sandra Bullock was offered the role for Trinity and Neo, and they would've rewritten the role if she'd said yes to Neo. I wonder what the alternate universe looks like where Neo and Trinity are both female
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Aces High posted:Will Smith turned down Neo to be in Wild Wild West, so I'm not sure if Neo falls into the category except by default because the actor that ended up accepting the role was white. It totally alters this legendary athlete tweet https://twitter.com/roddywhiteTV/status/59456714851885056?s=20
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Alaois posted:in Adelaide, Australia or wherever the gently caress they filmed the Matrix???? Sydney, and absolutely yes.
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I mean, filling his house with retro-future techno-junk is a choice. That apartment could be pretty slick with better use of space. It's not like he needs all that for his day job, it's for the hacking he does for kicks.
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HopperUK posted:Apparently the creative team brought in a consultant when they realised they wanted to be explicit about Todd's asexuality, to make sure they wouldn't gently caress up too bad. Hilariously they already HAD hosed up: the character Raphael Bob-Waxberg made asexual was Todd, the lazy manchild character, therefor falling straight into stereotypes. In fairness, Bob-Waxberg admitted he hosed up in a Reddit AMA: Raphael Bob-Waxberg posted:This is such a cheesy "I am a writer" answer but the truth is it felt like Todd told us he was asexual more than we made him asexual. Going into season three, I knew I wanted to take Todd to some more serious places and this felt like a good area to explore. Looking back, part of what was "telling me" Todd was asexual was my own preconceived notions of what an asexual person acts like, some of which was based on harmful stereotypes. Funnily enough, a lot of people thought Judah, the robot like hyper professional assistant character was asexual as well. I can't help but think him suddenly hooking up with his former boss at the last minute was Waxberg trying to not fall into the "robot" stereotype. While giving Todd a new asexual love interest played by an asexual actor...who is as much of a goofy manchild as he is. AceOfFlames has a new favorite as of 09:08 on Sep 28, 2023 |
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Sep 28, 2023 09:04
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Keanu Reeves is not a white guy.
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Alaois posted:in Adelaide, Australia or wherever the gently caress they filmed the Matrix???? Yeah, the Sydney real estate market is one of the harshest on the planet.
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The Matrix has another layer to it because it posits that the so-called comfortable office job is also illusory, a constructed mirage that requires the enslavement and exploitation of billions of people to operate. Neo is malcontent not because he wants to gently caress his daughter's best friend or whatever, but because he correctly intuits that the world as he knows it is also unsustainable.
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Sep 28, 2023 11:51
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The Matrix is also explicitly a simulation of what the machines consider the "peak of [human] civilisation" before they took over.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:The Matrix is also explicitly a simulation of what the machines consider the "peak of [human] civilisation" before they took over. Do you think they just kept doing the "mid-90's" for every version of the Matrix, or do you think they tried out different time periods? "Well, everyone just hosed themselves to death in the Roman orgypits, we can delete that one off the list. They like to suffer, right? What about 1300's Europe? How much actual suffering could they get up to there?"
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Randalor posted:Do you think they just kept doing the "mid-90's" for every version of the Matrix, or do you think they tried out different time periods? Wasn't there a part where the Architect or whoever is doing exposition at Neo and mentions that the machines tried giving the humans a utopian simulation, but it kept crashing because apparently humans just can't go without some sort of conflict? Like, it was supposed to be an allegory for the garden of Eden?
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the_steve posted:Wasn't there a part where the Architect or whoever is doing exposition at Neo and mentions that the machines tried giving the humans a utopian simulation, but it kept crashing because apparently humans just can't go without some sort of conflict? Something about how we go psycho if we're given a literal paradise, so they instead gave us the mid-90's so we have something to work against? Yeah. And it made for a fantastic movie. I'm just wondering if they went "Paradise->1990's" or if they tried a few other time periods first. How does the simulation handle things like accidental death anyways? Would you just wake up in your bed the next morning thinking you had a vivid dream, or would the machines go "Ah gently caress, pod 87485 slipped on a patch of ice and broke their neck. Flush the pod, we'll get it cleaned and ready for the next baby"?
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the_steve posted:Wasn't there a part where the Architect or whoever is doing exposition at Neo and mentions that the machines tried giving the humans a utopian simulation, but it kept crashing because apparently humans just can't go without some sort of conflict? One thing that gets kind of buried underneath all the loredumps in The Matrix Reloaded is that at some point the machines created a vampire and werewolf dimension for the humans to live in.
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Listen, if 99% of your information on what humanity wants comes from the internet, you would think that humanity wants a furry dimension too.
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Randalor posted:Something about how we go psycho if we're given a literal paradise, so they instead gave us the mid-90's so we have something to work against? Yeah. And it made for a fantastic movie. I'm just wondering if they went "Paradise->1990's" or if they tried a few other time periods first. They would be dead since injuries in the Matrix happen to the body in the real world. Which doesn't really make sense but kind of has to happen to have any stakes in the fight scenes. same with the whole having to find a physical exit to jack out.
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muscles like this! posted:They would be dead since injuries in the Matrix happen to the body in the real world. Which doesn't really make sense but kind of has to happen to have any stakes in the fight scenes. same with the whole having to find a physical exit to jack out. Well you can't just jack off anywhere, you gotta find a phone booth or something, it's basic etiquette
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Tenebrais posted:Well you can't just jack off anywhere, you gotta find a phone booth or something, it's basic etiquette We're still talking about the Matrix here?
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the_steve posted:Wasn't there a part where the Architect or whoever is doing exposition at Neo and mentions that the machines tried giving the humans a utopian simulation, but it kept crashing because apparently humans just can't go without some sort of conflict? I think it wasn't so much that humans need conflict, and more that a utopian paradise was so unrealistic that people instinctively knew it was a simulation, a dream they kept trying to "wake up" from. Nobody would think that a malevolent Cartesian demiurge would trap them in a simulacrum of a mundane, boringly awful world not that different from the real one (post-apocalypse aside)
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FreudianSlippers posted:Caligula was the third emperor. Trump is more like Honorius. E: and don't believe scandalous stories about Roman emperors, many of them were made up by political enemies or associates of the guys who couped them. Woolie Wool has a new favorite as of 14:25 on Sep 28, 2023 |
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Doctor Spaceman posted:The Matrix is also explicitly a simulation of what the machines consider the "peak of [human] civilisation" before they took over. I do like that they chose 'the exact moment before humans made us and everything went to poo poo' as their reference point. There's some hubris in choosing a time period that is on the edge of collapse. Also, I think they said that the machines couldn't figure out the paradise without it feeling artificial and making people reject it rather than some natural 'humans gotta suffer'. It also does make some sense because the machines would have the most data about a post-internet humanity. AI can only recreate what it's been trained on after all.
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If you're doing an essentially unchanging simulation of reality, it makes perfect sense to pick the time period that people themselves dubbed the end of history,no? Also, machines in the Matrix are actually perfectly benevolent. They're the only reason there still is any humanity left after all.
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mind the walrus posted:Ironically of the quadrilogy of late 90s "White Man unhappy with excellent life" -- Fight Club, American Beauty, The Office, and The Matrix -- I find Neo's dissatisfaction to be some of the more contemptible. Cast aside the fact that he can probably just 'sense' that his universe is off by virtue of being transgender for a minute, and you see a dude working a droning job but he's clearly got a solid paycheck in a hip area with a cool apartment and connections to a social life that seems to want/accept him. Like oh no poor baby, does it feel like treading water going to that office and working to save? Must be something wrong with everyone.
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Woolie Wool posted:
"According to contemporary sources ancient American Emperor Barracka Sotoro Hussein Osama was a foreign usurper who overthrew the reigning warlord BusHitler and proceeded to ban all weaponary and institute a brutal program of mandatory healthcare. In his private life he indulged in his two favorite vices of tobacco and male prostitutes" -Historians in 4057 or something
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FreudianSlippers posted:"According to contemporary sources ancient American Emperor Barracka Sotoro Hussein Osama was a foreign usurper who overthrew the reigning warlord BusHitler and proceeded to ban all weaponary and institute a brutal program of mandatory healthcare. In his private life he indulged in his two favorite vices of tobacco and male prostitutes" Future-HBO's version of Rome will unironically feature a scene that's literally that one SA post about Emperor Obama with his crown of fetus-ivory and breakdancing bodyguards and Mexican Muslim enforcers and poo poo e: for reference: quote:King Hussein Obama I, flanked by his bodyguards, stepped out of his blinged Limoscalade and marched up the gold-lined marble steps of Washington Palace. It should have been a glorious day, yet under his heavy yet exquisite crown of carved human fetus-ivory his brow was ridged deeply as he silently brooded. Still, his posse, boomboxes on their shoulders, dance-walked up the steps, chains and gats jangling over the din as they grabbed their crotches.
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FreudianSlippers posted:"According to contemporary sources ancient American Emperor Barracka Sotoro Hussein Osama was a foreign usurper who overthrew the reigning warlord BusHitler and proceeded to ban all weaponary and institute a brutal program of mandatory healthcare. In his private life he indulged in his two favorite vices of tobacco and male prostitutes" more like the historians would just uncritically repeat pizzagate verbatim, the primary source Forchaen said it, would he lie to us? E: there is evidence that the Roman proletarii liked Nero and underground hero cults around him sprung up after his death, some of them prophesying his eventual return to destroy the senate and equites once and for all Woolie Wool has a new favorite as of 16:43 on Sep 28, 2023 |
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Fish of hemp posted:Who knew capitalism is spiritually empty? Yeah I think once you get passed the end of history stuff and look past Tyler’s bullshit there’s a core criticism of capitalism that holds up
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well why not posted:
What we’ve learned here is that Neo is bad at cable management.
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christmas boots posted:Yeah I think once you get passed the end of history stuff and look past Tyler’s bullshit there’s a core criticism of capitalism that holds up He does the same thing that any good cult leader does; He starts off small, eases you in with stuff that DOES make sense and is plausible to believe, and then works you up to the batshit portions of the ideology while still centered around that sensible core. There are many a number of points between "you are unsatisfied with your life and want an outlet for your frustration" and "that's why we should blow up all the credit card buildings."
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