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OnimaruXLR posted:I always thought the Krakoan's justification of "If humanity was going to do it, why didn't they do it already? It's within their means" held water pretty well. And unlike Krakoa, Arrako pretty clearly doesn't have a no-humans-allowed policy, even if it's a bit more hostile in the general sense Did anyone else hear that one line from Sauron? In fact, has Sauron shown up in the X-books at all, given his deal?
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OnimaruXLR posted:I always thought the Krakoan's justification of "If humanity was going to do it, why didn't they do it already? It's within their means" held water pretty well. And unlike Krakoa, Arrako pretty clearly doesn't have a no-humans-allowed policy, even if it's a bit more hostile in the general sense Yeah, but, this is important, who is Krakoa putting forwards as part of its leading council when it shows up? Magneto? Apocalypse? Mr. Sinister? Emma Frost? Its a bad look.
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Ultimate invasion 4 sucked. What the hell did this comic even have to do with the Ultimate Universe? It’s just yet another “Flashpoint” multiverse what if bullshit that have become a dime a dozen. Hickmans luster seems to have faded out
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90sgamer posted:Ultimate invasion 4 sucked. What the hell did this comic even have to do with the Ultimate Universe? It’s just yet another “Flashpoint” multiverse what if bullshit that have become a dime a dozen. I mean it was always branded as a new Ultimate Universe. Although granted it doesn’t really feel like a new ‘World Outside Your Window’ that was promised, given how Maker reshaped the world. It’s worth remembering that it was likely meant to be Cates’ project before his accident, Hickman came in to fill in.
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Fivemarks posted:Yeah, but, this is important, who is Krakoa putting forwards as part of its leading council when it shows up? Magneto? Apocalypse? Mr. Sinister? Emma Frost? Its a bad look. Magneto, I think, is somewhat justified - he might be a known terrorist, but he's also a charismatic leader, and he's always been honest about his goals and positions. And he was recognized as the leader of Genosha by the UN, so arguably he's got the most authority to speak for mutantkind on the world stage. I don't see any reason why people would be concerned about Emma Frost - we know she used to be a villain, but I don't think that's common knowledge on Marvel Earth, and if you're going to have a spokesperson, a young, attractive woman with connections to high society is a pretty good choice. As for Apocalypse and Sinister - do people actually know who they are in general? I mean, the names aren't great, but I can't remember any times they were publicly causing problems. They're both kinda behind-the-scenes schemers.
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I mean, there was that time Apocalypse let the Horsemen loose on New York and the farm belt and they tore up the place if nothing else. I don't think Sinister is really so high profile though, only other mutants know who he is and what he's responsible for. Emma's probably been an X-Man as long as she was a bad guy at this point, and again, the Hellfire Club weren't into committing atrocities publicly, they were more subtle in their shenanigans.
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90sgamer posted:Ultimate invasion 4 sucked. What the hell did this comic even have to do with the Ultimate Universe? It’s just yet another “Flashpoint” multiverse what if bullshit that have become a dime a dozen. It's funny because while I enjoyed the first issue of Immortal Thor, I wasn't really convinced that it was going to live up to the standard that Immortal Hulk set But the second issue has me convinced. Even though it's a profoundly different type of story. Ewing does what Hickman't I guess
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Angry Salami posted:Magneto, I think, is somewhat justified - he might be a known terrorist, but he's also a charismatic leader, and he's always been honest about his goals and positions. And he was recognized as the leader of Genosha by the UN, so arguably he's got the most authority to speak for mutantkind on the world stage. One might say that Magneto has a magnetic personality. As for Apocalypse… he’s called Apocalypse
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should be a criminal case of false advertising that van dyne never wears the outfit she has on the covers of avengers inc 1 in the book itself
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Krakoa was basically an exercise in "let's unite literally all mutants, everywhere, working together in the name of our survival as a people." It failed because, well, it turns out mutants aren't a people. Having the X-gene doesn't make you "on the same side" as somebody else who has it, and it isn't better to have Mr. Sinister on the inside pissing out, because he is a dedicated and vigorous omni-pisser.
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Sep 29, 2023 19:43
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It's like when Nazis are flabbergasted that other white people are not Nazis
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Krakoa also failed because a giant globe-spanning supervillain fascist organization lead by a genocidal super-AI from the future and another AI who is the last weapon humanity will ever build blew it the hell up.
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wiegieman posted:Krakoa also failed because a giant globe-spanning supervillain fascist organization lead by a genocidal super-AI from the future and another AI who is the last weapon humanity will ever build blew it the hell up.
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No I think it was just the big robot chaos dunking it from orbit
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wiegieman posted:Krakoa also failed because a giant globe-spanning supervillain fascist organization lead by a genocidal super-AI from the future and another AI who is the last weapon humanity will ever build blew it the hell up. True, I think it would have landed better if Fall of X had a better causal link between all the fault lines running through Krakoa and the way ORCHIS took them out so easily in a single night.
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When are they going back to New York?
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Gripweed posted:When are they going back to New York? Do we really have to regress?
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Gripweed posted:When are they going back to New York? They've been there for 2 years now
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90sgamer posted:Do we really have to regress? 
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They're already there
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Rand Brittain posted:Krakoa was basically an exercise in "let's unite literally all mutants, everywhere, working together in the name of our survival as a people." That's the fun thing though, it's the same as basically anything else. You could have a society consisting exclusively of genetically identical fools and they'd come up with arbitrary reasons to have beef. Which will probably be how Orchis falls apart ultimately, too considering it consists of 1) A guy whose goal is to basically keep humanity the way it is 2) A handful of AI who want to kill off all mutants and then keep the remaining homo sapiens in a terrarium 3) A bunch of mutants who just want money and power 4) A small army of super scientists who are dead set on doing hosed up super science and see mutants as a self-perpetuating source of valuable samples 5) Moira 6) Pink Capitalist with parental issues 7) Regular old original recipe anti-mutant bigots
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Abroham Lincoln posted:They've been there for 2 years now Codependent Poster posted:They're already there lol. Did they rebuild the mansion again?
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Gripweed posted:lol. Did they rebuild the mansion again? Nope, Cyclops reformed the X-men as a team for public heroing outside of Krakoa. They grew a tree house in Central Park to serve as their base of operations and center for PR outreach.
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Gripweed posted:lol. Did they rebuild the mansion again? No they grew a tree
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New Cover And Interior Artwork From Jonathan Hickman And Stefano Caselli's 'Ultimate Universe' #1 https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/new-cover-artwork-jonathan-hickman-stefano-caselli-ultimate-universe quote:"What made the Ultimate Universe originally really interesting was that it was a reflection of the world outside your window, in the moment that you were living in. What does it look like in the world we’re living in now?" Hickman said. "It’s kind of shocking how much the world has changed in that period of time. The idea of what it would be like to see the genesis of Super Heroes in a brand new world is a really fascinating exercise." Where the gently caress is scarlet witch and quicksilver? 90sgamer fucked around with this message at 01:30 on Sep 30, 2023 |
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90sgamer posted:Where the gently caress is scarlet witch and quicksilver? Fuckin’
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Hickman, bro, you're going to have to do something phenomenal to get me to care about another Ultimate universe, and right now I'm not feeling anything.
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Hickman posted:"What made the Ultimate Universe originally really interesting was that it was a reflection of the world outside your window, in the moment that you were living in. What does it look like in the world we’re living in now?" Isn't that the regular Marvel universe? The Marvel universe that was already literally outside Marvel's windows in Manhattan that the writers and artists depicted? For me the appeal of the original Ultimates was that it was a low-stakes, zero-continuity reimagining and jumping on point for the Avengers in a slick art style that felt less like a house comicbook style and more like a big budget action movie.
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Lobok posted:Isn't that the regular Marvel universe? The Marvel universe that was already literally outside Marvel's windows in Manhattan that the writers and artists depicted? Have they explained what this new Ultimate thing is yet? Is it going to be multiple ongoing series like the old Ultimate thing?
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90sgamer posted:New Cover And Interior Artwork From Jonathan Hickman And Stefano Caselli's 'Ultimate Universe' #1 The X-Men wage wars on Twitter with bots called Sentinels Ant-Man does an AMA on Reddit then quits 15 minutes in when he's plagued with questions about blowing up villains by crawling in their asses. Every hero has to commute to fight battles because living in NYC is too expensive e: Gwenpool now makes long video essays about how the old Ultimate U was better
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Gripweed posted:Have they explained what this new Ultimate thing is yet? Is it going to be multiple ongoing series like the old Ultimate thing? Yes.
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Lobok posted:Isn't that the regular Marvel universe? The Marvel universe that was already literally outside Marvel's windows in Manhattan that the writers and artists depicted? Have you picked up a 616 comic recently? The quality has been declining especially the spidey books. There’s the occasional good writer like Al Ewing but in general it’s not what it was ten years ago
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OK I read a summary of the latest issue of Ultimate Universe and this seems like the exact opposite of a new self-contained universe open to new readers.
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Is it weird that at this point I feel the best thing they could do with the X-Men and Mutants in general in 616 would be to just get rid of all of them for good
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90sgamer posted:Have you picked up a 616 comic recently? The quality has been declining especially the spidey books. There’s the occasional good writer like Al Ewing but in general it’s not what it was ten years ago If that's your reason for trying Ultimate then that's fine but I'm saying if Marvel knows why the original Ultimates was cool or how to market a new one they don't seem to be showing it.
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drrockso20 posted:Is it weird that at this point I feel the best thing they could do with the X-Men and Mutants in general in 616 would be to just get rid of all of them for good Yes, that's weird.
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Lobok posted:Isn't that the regular Marvel universe? The Marvel universe that was already literally outside Marvel's windows in Manhattan that the writers and artists depicted? yes, but by the time the ultimate universe rolled around i think it was fair to say the mainline universe no longer felt that way and the ultimate one did, for better or worse
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Gologle posted:Hickman, bro, you're going to have to do something phenomenal to get me to care about another Ultimate universe, and right now I'm not feeling anything. The main thrust of the new ultimate universe beyond The Maker altering the timeline is that there is an oligarchy of ultra rich technocrats, royals, and businessmen that are continuing to consolidate power while the masses suffer. They make deals with each other to have one nation play the adversarial “Rogue state” every generation to keep the population distracted so they aren’t able to focus and stand up to the powerful. At the end of the mini, things are starting to fall apart so this “Illuminati” of sorts decides it’s time to really go for a power grab and just take over and divey up what’s left of America It’s pretty high concept stuff and just as the original incarnation of the Ultimate Universe was about the post-9/11 world this version is all the extreme class warfare and income inequality that has been exposed post-Covid-19
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90sgamer posted:The main thrust of the new ultimate universe beyond The Maker altering the timeline is that there is an oligarchy of ultra rich technocrats, royals, and businessmen that are continuing to consolidate power while the masses suffer. They make deals with each other to have one nation play the adversarial “Rogue state” every generation to keep the population distracted so they aren’t able to focus and stand up to the powerful. At the end of the mini, things are starting to fall apart so this “Illuminati” of sorts decides it’s time to really go for a power grab and just take over and divey up what’s left of America What you described sort of sounds like East of West. It just makes me miss Dragotta drawing Spiderman the few times he got to. Had a great retro Hanna-Barbera vibe to it.
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