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Negostrike
Aug 15, 2015


Space Kablooey posted:

Bravo brabo means mad in Portuguese

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Vahakyla
May 3, 2013

Negostrike posted:



Supremo Comandante SCAD
General del Aire Carlos - Fuerza Aerea de Peru



Buenos dias. In order to have an edge against our invasores, the Brazilian Army offered one of their Astros-II batteries to support us in our defense of our continent.


Astros II doing its thing

More precisely, they will send:
6 AV-LMU launchers
2 AV-RMD ammunition supply vehicles
1 AV-VCC command vehicle
1 AV-UCF fire control vehicle
1 AV-VBA maintenance vehicle
1 AV-CBO radar vehicle

That's the Brazilian Army's 3rd Rocket Launcher Battery based in Cruz Alta, in the country's south, the closest to our theater of operations. They'll be embarking on their Navy's landing ship NDCC Almirante Saboia at Rio Grande harbor and we shall be receiving them in Rio Gallegos for deployment.


NDCC Almirante Saboia (formerly RFA Sir Bedivere)


Ship's route

To ensure the shipment's safety against possible hostile submarines, we should deploy some submarines and a FAB P-3 Orion in the vicinity of the ship's destination.


That's all for now. Feedback is very welcome.



You can consider this tasking to be executed on the early hours of 13th February, 2010.

Start time for our operation is currently 0600 on the 15th. Thus there is no way these weapons or ships are even half way. Likely departure from Brazil on the 14th or 15, then ocean travel.

However the FAB P-3 patrols can start. To have that grid covered, you need both of the FAB P-3s available so they can cover each other in maintenance and schedule.


That leaves two more P-3s available in this half of the continent under the Argentinian Navy, under Admiral Sampaio.



Decision for the Time of Action (Turtle vs Rabbit) and the Course of Action (Alpha vs Bravo) will have to be decided today, NLT than 6 hours from now.



For thread readers, the P-3 Orion is a maritime patrol airplane. They are more often operated by navies but in Brazil the Air Force has them.

They can find ships and submarines, drop sonobuyous, torpedos, and rescue equipment.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_P-3_Orion

Space Kablooey
May 6, 2009


I'm thinking the trip could be made in two legs: The first being from Rio Grande to either Comodoro Ridavavia or Caleta Olivia for refueling (Both inside the Golfo San Jorge), and then the second leg to Rio Gallegos, with air and navy escort.

The advantages is of course, having more security for the batteries, and not having to worry so much about fuel for the transports.

I can see a lot of downsides though, ranging from a more circuitous route, to occupying combat assets, to retrofitting the above ports and more importantly, making a lot of movement that can be detected by the PLA.

Mederlock
Jun 23, 2012

You won't recognize Canada when I'm through with it
Grimey Drawer

Mederlock posted:

Updated take on decision



Brigadier General Humberto of Argentine Army, Ejército Argentino, EA.


I'd like to start by thanking the intel folks and aides de camp working for and with Vahakyla, without their data and assessments we would be working totally blind out here. We have some hard decisions to make on the ground front in our two active AO's [Area of Operations]. As you can see from our BTOE [Base Table of Organization and Equipment, the breakdown of our ground forces and overall force structure], we're working with very limited resources against a determined, well-resourced, and organized foe. Given the state of affairs and the dire situation of our units on both axis', we need a good plan for our troops, and support from our Naval and Air forces. Upon further consideration of our position, I change my request for action to Time of Action Rabbit, AO Bravo. I'll explain my reasoning for that in my next post, but in lieu of a plan for air support for AO Alpha, let's start there.

AO Alpha [Punta Arenas axis] is a muddy swampland along the isthmus North of the airfield, and is essentially a mostly flat no-man's land until we hit some small rolling hills closer to Campo la Avena. There, Laguna Cabeza de Mur acts as a natural barrier, so we can use this feature to our advantage as a natural funnel to the West side of the isthmus. On the North-East side of the Isthmus, there are a few locations where it may be possible for light infantry and amphibious vehicles to cross some water channels near Laguna Verdana. We expect the PLAGF to push northwards from the West and East side of the Isthmus when they decide to advance, and we have to account for both directions. Let's take a look at our OB [Order of Battle, list of units in combat in a given area] and the topo maps for AO Alpha, along with my proposed orders for our units there.



The raised terrain in the middle of the isthmus presents some opportunities for us, as there are several smaller dirt tracks and scooped out terrain on higher ground that will let our artillery shoot and scoot with relative ease and cover the entire width of the isthmus with Fires. We'll have the 6th Armored "Dragones" positioned forward of the artillery to act as a screen and early warning, and their orders are to fall back to Campo la Avena after the first few volleys are traded with a PLAGF advance. The artillery will also fall back at this point, or if PLAGF counter-battery fire is too intense, and will set up a few km past Campo la Avena. The Recon platoon will take every effort to avoid combat, and will call in Fire missions for the artillery as needed. They'll post up around the dirt road heading to the NE of the isthmus, and will fall back as the PLAGF advances, eventually making a crossing at the small bridge at the outflow of Laguna Cabeza de Mar. Hopefully the PLAGF don't push this direction.. but if they do they will be harried by artillery called in by our brave recon platoon. The 25th Mech. Inf. "El Roble" will post up on the SW edge of the rise in elevation, and will slowly fall back to the elevation along the blue line as OPFOR pushes forward. Our Engineer coy. will spend this time building makeshift fortifications and fighting positions along the blue line. All units are to fall back to their designated fighting positions along the blue line with haste if the PLAGF moves in significant force along both axis', or if hostile CAS[Close Air Support] or IDF[InDirect Fires, ie. artillery/mortars] is too intense.

Does anybody have any feedback on this course of action for AO Alpha? Time is of the essence, so we need answers quickly so we can get orders out to our brave Chilean hermanos.

That brings us to AO Bravo...[continued in next post]

Mederlock fucked around with this message at 18:10 on Oct 2, 2023

Kaal
May 22, 2002

through thousands of posts in D&D over a decade, I now believe I know what I'm talking about. if I post forcefully and confidently, I can convince others that is true. no one sees through my facade.




This is Admiral Ileana Maria Sampaio, Argentina's first female admiral and the supreme commander of South American Combined Armada that comprises of the Chilean, Argentinian, and Brazilian Navies. Time is short, so I'll be brief.

There are three main naval groups of the SACA that are to be concerned with. The Chilean group is alone on the west side of the continent, far away from resupply, but it is combat-ready and is led by a carrier with 21 A4 Skyhawks. The Argentinian group is finishing up resupply near Puerto San Julian but it lacks an air contingent. The Brazilian group is steaming south to join the fight but it is in need of refitting.

I have the following suggested courses of action, which I put forward to the staff officers for review:

The Chilean group should stay within the relative protection of the beautiful nature reserve archipelago that it finds itself in, but proceed south to execute operations near Punta Arenas. Once it is within combat range of the peninsula, it should commit an attack on the area, either in direct SUPPORT of the ground forces holding the line at the Punta Arenas airport, or by looping south to INTERDICT air and naval resupply operations. Staff officers also suggest the further option of splitting off the surface fleet forces and conducting attacks within the cover of the archipelago and under P-3 monitoring. The Marine amphibious contingent would be available in support of this. However, full commitment of forces towards interdiction will also maximize the damage taken by the Chilean ground forces who are holding the line at Punta Arenas.

The Argentinean group should leave Puerto San Julian and proceed at best speed to defend the southern-most port of Rio Gallegos, support the resupply operations being conducted by the Brazilian Air Force, and be available to support the Tierra del Fuego beachhead in case of withdrawal.

The Brazilian group should rearm and refit at Puerto San Julian, as their full strength will be needed in the coming days. However submarine commander Cpt. Eliana Krawczyk has gone over the MI6 message intercepts and news of PLA merchant fleet hold-ups on the east side of Isla Malvinas, and believes that now is the time for a strike against the vulnerable logistical ships. She is requesting that both of the submarines attached to the Brazilian and Argentinian fleets be released to conduct a RAID against those forces and prevent them from unloading their war material. However, this plan is risky and would leave fleet defense to the air assets and surface fleet, so some officers would prefer that the two submarines PROTECT their respective fleets.

In support of all these activities, the Admiralty has identified four separate areas for P3 Orion monitoring and torpedo defense, as marked on this map (Loc A - D)*. However, we only have two P3's available for use. They could cover one area round the clock, or split up and cast a wider net intermittently. I would welcome opinions and feedback on the matter before making my final decision. The clock is ticking.

*Edit: The Brazilian Air Force has committed to round-the-clock coverage of the Puerto Rio Gallegos (Loc C) area, and no longer needs any additional patrols.

Kaal fucked around with this message at 19:49 on Oct 2, 2023

Negostrike
Aug 15, 2015





Supremo Comandante SCAD
General del Aire Carlos - Fuerza Aerea de Peru

Buenas tardes, señoras y señores.

After careful consideration and despite having initially favored going with Rabbit Alpha, I decided instead to go with Rabbit Bravo thanks to your insights on the situation. Indeed, trying to regain a foothold in Tierra del Fuego after losing it will certainly be a big grano en el culo. Besides, Punta Arenas is under PLA control anyway but the terrain is more favorable for offensive operations. So let's do our best to hold the Land of Fire. Operation Pissed Bunny is a go.

Also let's get the maritime patrol going in the specified area. We don't want to lose those rocket launchers. If my math is right they should arrive at Rio Gallegos at the 17th, 4 days from now.

Yooper
Apr 30, 2012


P-3's!



A bit of intel on the capabilities. These are strictly surveillance aircraft, and not able to drop sonobuoys or mines. The Argentinian P-3B's carry the AN/APS-80A radar with a surface range of ~ 80nm. It is an older radar, 1960's, but able to pick out a periscope on the surface as well as ships.

The Chilean P-3A's are significantly more capable with the Varan (TMV-118B) This baby has a reach of 200 nm.

Now don't write off the P-3B, because it has a capable ELINT detection package while the P-3A does not. What does this mean? Well, if the Chinese fleets are emitting radar, then you can pick them up 500 nm out. But if they are not emitting you will need to get within 80 nm while the P-3A is emitting. Both aircraft also have an Infrared camera but this is a tricky one, as you need to be below the clouds to identify a vessel and a lot closer than you'd like to be.

Oh, and while the surface radar is running you are 100% a big fat target and all of the Chinese fleets will have ELINT suites to detect it. Both of these have very long legs with a search radius of 2,420 nm.

From a detection standpoint it could be challenging to differentiate a large trawler or a solo PLAN Landing Ship. It'll be a lot easier if you detect a large formation of ships, then you can about guarantee it is the Chinese. Anything far to sea is likely not emitting, or is using a screen to act as an early radar. So you might see a DDG, but not the flagship (whichever that is).

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013
Here’s a 2000-2010 Latin American Jam Playlist for the campaign that’s gonna get more songs to it.

https://spotify.link/Hvau1SxJzDb

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013
NAVAL INTELLIGENCE







So, there's three PLAN SAGs, or Surface Action Groups, a temporary naval formation of ships for an operation. We shall refer to these SAGs as fleets as we are not sure of their precise numbers nor compositions.

1st:
However, the most important of these is what we have named the 1st PLAN Fleet. This SAG patrols between Port Stanley and the harbors in Tierra del Fuego (Rio Grande, Ushuia, Puerto Williams). It at least two Type 052 Destroyers, some four frigates of unknown type, and likely the Hangzhou, a Sovremenny-class destroyer of USSR-origin. The fleet is screened by Type 037 Corvettes or their equivalent Tarantul-style ships captured from Middle East and Africa.

This SAG escorts and screens for a fairly significant military sealift consisting of bulk freighters, oil tankers, landing ships, and container ships, most of civilian origin, but some PLAN Auxiliary ships that are extremely similar to the Canadian MV Asterix and its like. Most of these sips are incapable of defending themselves, minus perhaps a few rifles on board and the possibility of a MANPADS (Man portable air defence system, think of iglas and stingers, shoulder launched missiles with short range).

2nd:
This SAG protects the space between Cabo de Hornos, Cape Horn, and the Antarctica. It is likely meant to ensure the Chilean navy, or the Australian or NZ or Asian Allies can not navigate through here. The composition is once again unclear, and we'll likely need some maritime surveillance. We do estimate it to have some Type 052 destroyers, but also a far higher number of various Tarantul-style and Type 037 Corvettes for archipelago raiding. In this map there is traced the deep water high volume shipping line. Do not let these maps scale you, this channel is over 2 miles wide at its narrowest points. In can accomodate American supercarriers, and any ship in the world. It is how freight has moved through here, and the red path is navigable and commonly used by carriers. We believe most of the PLAN resupply to Punta Arenas' vicinity comes from here. The major islands near them, Isla Dawson, Isla Gordon, Isla Clarence, and others, offer a unique naval environment. Sheltered from easy visual observation and surface radars, we can almost guarantee PLAN raiders are skirmishing these waters. What we do not believe, however, is that they'd venture in there, at least as of now, with their most advanced ships, as even a small patrol craft up close could unleash its 40mm and give a Type 052 a headache it rather would not prefer to have.


3rd;

This SAG likely shields the Malvinas, and only peeks to the other side occasionally to scan the surface. Or possibly sends picket ships. It is also reasonable to expect this is the receiving escort for cross-atlantic sealift and will venture east to receive ships arriving to the Malvinas. It is likely this fleet will not leave the vicinity of Malvinas in this current situation, however.




Kaal
May 22, 2002

through thousands of posts in D&D over a decade, I now believe I know what I'm talking about. if I post forcefully and confidently, I can convince others that is true. no one sees through my facade.

Yooper posted:

A bit of intel on the capabilities. These are strictly surveillance aircraft, and not able to drop sonobuoys or mines. The Argentinian P-3B's carry the AN/APS-80A radar with a surface range of ~ 80nm. It is an older radar, 1960's, but able to pick out a periscope on the surface as well as ships.

The Chilean P-3A's are significantly more capable with the Varan (TMV-118B) This baby has a reach of 200 nm.

Thanks for the great intel Yooper. Is it a correct understanding that the Argentinian P-3's assigned to SACA are P-3B's, whereas the Brazilian FAB P-3's are the Chilean P-3As?

Also, what is the effective combat range for the A4 Skyhawks we're using? Steak's great post on them didn't cover the more logistical parts as much. I can see on Wikipedia that they give a 1,000 nm range, but I thought it would be good to get a better idea about that.

Kaal fucked around with this message at 21:16 on Oct 2, 2023

Negostrike
Aug 15, 2015


Vahakyla posted:

2nd:
This SAG protects the space between Cabo de Hornos, Cape Horn, and the Antarctica. It is likely meant to ensure the Chilean navy, or the Australian or NZ or Asian Allies can not navigate through here. The composition is once again unclear, and we'll likely need some maritime surveillance. We do estimate it to have some Type 052 destroyers, but also a far higher number of various Tarantul-style and Type 037 Corvettes for archipelago raiding. In this map there is traced the deep water high volume shipping line. Do not let these maps scale you, this channel is over 2 miles wide at its narrowest points. In can accomodate American supercarriers, and any ship in the world. It is how freight has moved through here, and the red path is navigable and commonly used by carriers. We believe most of the PLAN resupply to Punta Arenas' vicinity comes from here. The major islands near them, Isla Dawson, Isla Gordon, Isla Clarence, and others, offer a unique naval environment. Sheltered from easy visual observation and surface radars, we can almost guarantee PLAN raiders are skirmishing these waters. What we do not believe, however, is that they'd venture in there, at least as of now, with their most advanced ships, as even a small patrol craft up close could unleash its 40mm and give a Type 052 a headache it rather would not prefer to have.


Let's get an Argentinian Orion surveying that area around Cabo de Hornos, more precisely around Loc A that Admiral Sampaio pinpointed here:


The Punta Arenas interdiction operation proposed by the admiral sounds good but before giving it a go I'd like to wait a few hours and hear some feedback.

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013

Kaal posted:

Thanks for the great intel Yooper. Is it a correct understanding that the Argentinian P-3's assigned to SACA are P-3B's, whereas the Brazilian FAB P-3's are the Chilean P-3As?

Also, what is the effective combat range for the A4 Skyhawks we're using? Steak's great post on them didn't cover the more logistical parts as much. I can see on Wikipedia that they give a 1,000 nm range, but I thought it would be good to get a better idea about that.

Chilean P-3s currently unavailable.

All you have is the ARA P-2 x2 and the FAB P-3 x2 right now.

Elendil004
Mar 22, 2003

The prognosis
is not good.



The flight started off nice, bright and sunny. Departing SAWG and proceeding southeast along the coast to a safe distance behind the lines. This aircraft, stuffed to the gills with signal gathering equipment was ready to soak up emissions from the enemy side. Everything from cell messages, anti-aircraft radar, even radio messages sent between soldiers. Even a fully encrypted signal can be geolocated and provide intelligence.


A quick circle of Posesion Airport.


First look across the Strait at enemy-held territory.


Things are starting to get soupy, we had to drop down for better signals.


A couple shots of the other operating area.


Back home, safe and sound.


Flight route.

So Vaha, what can you tell us about enemy emissions? Any ELINT or SIGINT?

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013

Elendil004 posted:


The flight started off nice, bright and sunny. Departing SAWG and proceeding southeast along the coast to a safe distance behind the lines. This aircraft, stuffed to the gills with signal gathering equipment was ready to soak up emissions from the enemy side. Everything from cell messages, anti-aircraft radar, even radio messages sent between soldiers. Even a fully encrypted signal can be geolocated and provide intelligence.


A quick circle of Posesion Airport.


First look across the Strait at enemy-held territory.


Things are starting to get soupy, we had to drop down for better signals.


A couple shots of the other operating area.


Back home, safe and sound.


Flight route.

So Vaha, what can you tell us about enemy emissions? Any ELINT or SIGINT?

Battery-level emission from Hóng Qí-16; lit. 'Red Banner-16'; NATO reporting name: CH-SA-16), likely PLA Buk-equivalency.

Located roughly at at -53.24774149539944, -70.3175357801963 but not precise coordinates.


Terrrain obstructs a lot here. Surprisingly no Radar SAM emissions from near the Argentinian Brigade.


It is now added to the OFFICIAL LONG AFTERNOON WAR MAP.

This is the first iteration of an interactive map. https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edit?mid=1RHYRehltgtfH02o6Yn9JgBmaHt2XqZs&usp=sharing

Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 21:48 on Oct 2, 2023

Elendil004
Mar 22, 2003

The prognosis
is not good.


Happy to take requests for other flights to gather data with the RC-12 guardrail. It would be cool to check out fjords but realistically getting shot down is not my idea of a good time.

That SA-16 can reach out and touch us if we get too close
Might be worth trying to HARM it especially if we operate on the NW edge of its envelope.

Elendil004 fucked around with this message at 21:47 on Oct 2, 2023

Yooper
Apr 30, 2012


Vahakyla posted:

All you have is the ARA P-2 x2 and the FAB P-3 x2 right now.

So the P-2 is an interesting bird.



It has a generic ESM, a fairly simple one, but more than enough to detect a big fat emitter. But not good enough to tell you what it is. The radar is an AN/APS-20 which is a 50's era simple unit. It'll tell you there's something there, but not the heading, bearing, or speed. There is a MAD present, which may work well on Chinese subs, I'm not sure how well they de-gauss them. It also has a HFDF (Huff Duff) which would be of marginal use with any radio or emitter, but the Chinese stuff might be old enough.

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013
...I meant P-3 my bad. ARA P-3 and FAB P-3.

Woops.

Kaal
May 22, 2002

through thousands of posts in D&D over a decade, I now believe I know what I'm talking about. if I post forcefully and confidently, I can convince others that is true. no one sees through my facade.

quote:

The US Navy Bureau of Ordnance built 25 outdated but more compact Little Boy nuclear bomb designs to be used in the smaller bomb bay of the P2V Neptune. There was enough fissionable material available by 1948 to build ten complete uranium projectiles and targets, although there were only enough initiators to complete six.[7][8] The U.S. Navy improvised a carrier-based nuclear strike aircraft by modifying the P2V Neptune for carrier takeoff using jet assisted takeoff (JATO) rocket boosters, with initial takeoff tests in 1948. However, the Neptune could not land on a carrier, therefore the crew had to either make their way to a friendly land base after a strike, or ditch in the sea near a U.S. Navy vessel.

Which pilot flubbed their last landing? I've got good news for you!

Elendil004
Mar 22, 2003

The prognosis
is not good.


Kaal, might be of interest to you, two more recent intercepts from somewhere near the Falklands. The Royal Navy might be upto something...

Intercept 1
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1bN_qvydmAY--7X4DuguP3ES5-GgFSMrh/view?usp=sharing

Intercept 2
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1quwARkcImKZrEh8SEHDzqZcHifZXUAG2/view?usp=sharing

This sets in motion the Arma 3 tie in mission. Depending on how it goes, shipping for the enemy will be impacted...

Humbug Scoolbus
Apr 25, 2008

The scarlet letter was her passport into regions where other women dared not tread. Shame, Despair, Solitude! These had been her teachers, stern and wild ones, and they had made her strong, but taught her much amiss.
Clapping Larry
Thanks for that map; it makes everything a lot clearer. Also, I have dived off the coast of Tierra del Fuego and the 3rd PLAN Fleet is going to be absolutely miserable.

Kaal
May 22, 2002

through thousands of posts in D&D over a decade, I now believe I know what I'm talking about. if I post forcefully and confidently, I can convince others that is true. no one sees through my facade.

Elendil004 posted:

Sigint code decrypted. What could it mean?

Intercept 01:
code:
SWORD
DE AGINCOURT
INFO COMSUBACLANT
P 101256Z FEB10
BT
READY FOR REHEARSAL DINNER
IN TWENTY FOUR HOURS
WE COME UNSEEN
BT
NNNN
Intercept 02:
code:
SWORD 
DE AGINCOURT
INFO COMSUBACLANT 
Z 150508Z FEB10
BT 
THE BRIDE HAS ARRIVED 
THE VENUE IS BEAUTIFUL 
BY STRENGTH AND GUILE
BT
NNNN
Intercept 03:
code:
AGINCOURT 
DE SWORD
INFO COMSUBACLANT 
Z 150512Z FEB10
BT 
START THE MUSIC 
COOK THE GOOSE 
GOD SAVE THE QUEEN 
BT 
NNNN

Kaal fucked around with this message at 22:44 on Oct 2, 2023

Mederlock
Jun 23, 2012

You won't recognize Canada when I'm through with it
Grimey Drawer


General of the Armies
Brigadier General Humberto of Argentine Army, Ejército Argentino

Let's turn our attention to AO Bravo and the difficulties we face there.



This is the best picture of the situation on the ground we have currently. There is one PLAGF Brigade confirmed to be advancing along Road Y-65 on the West side of the AO, and one Brigade approaching from the South along HWY 257, with potential for this group to also advance from the East along Road Y-79 or some other secondary branching roads near the center of our formation. We have 5 potential axis' that OPFOR can take advantage of, and we don't have the manpower to cover them all effectively. If the OPFOR brigade to the East can push over the two bridges over the Rio Oscar, their heavy armor will have no trouble pushing north along Y-65 and cutting off any chance of retreat across the strait/encircling the rest of the BLUFOR Brigade to the West. In the center of our formation along HWY 257, we have the advantage of rugged and funneling terrain that will aid the defending Regiments greatly. To the East along Y-79, it will take the PLAGF more time to advance on this axis, and we'll have our Recon element and helicopter wing keeping an eye on it in case OPFOR commits to this direction.

Operational Objectives for Ground Forces

We have identified 3 objectives our ground forces must address. The most pressing objective is delaying and attriting the PLAGF Brigade to the West on Y-65 and Y-655. To this end, I propose we have the Engineer corps drop the smaller bridge on the East/West Y-655 road over the Rio Oscar with the 24th Mechanized Infantry providing cover, and request that the Air Forces drop the larger bridge over the Y-65 using ground attack aircraft. The SPG artillery element will provide IDF support to this axis, with the Army UH-1H heli's calling fire missions to cover the bridge on Y-65 and the 24th Mech Inf. calling in fire missions on advancing forces on their road. It would be extremely impactful if the Air Forces could eliminate some of the mechanized units of the OPFOR brigade after they drop the bridge with their remaining munitions.

The secondary objective is to hold HWY 257, but this is where our ground forces are strongest and if all goes well, the PLAGF brigade on this axis will either hold off their assault or face stiff resistance from our heavy armor and mechanized infantry there. We only anticipate needing CAS on this axis if the PLAGF manages to break through our units here, or if the Air Forces have bombs to spare and find some easy targets.

The tertiary objective is keeping an eye on the Eastern approach along Y-79, as the artillery and our two Regiments covering the center of our formation will need to fall back to Cerro Sombrero and the Franco Bianco airbase if they utilize this route. If OPFOR takes this route, then tasking CAS to this Axis will be just as important as blocking them at Y-65. If we can get better intel on the exact positions and force makeup of PLAGF forces in this direction, we can better task our ground units to take up ambushing positions and engineered fortifications in the appropriate places.

Preparing for the worst

As favourable as it would be to maintain a foothold on Tierra del Fuego, we must prepare for the worst case scenario. If PLAGF punch through our defenses on Y-65 or elsewhere, we will have no other recourse than to retreat with haste to the Franco Bianco airport and the ferry terminal near Puerto Progreso, and utilize some combination of air lift and sea lift to evacuate our forces off the island. There are 3 or 4 civilian ferry's operated by Transbordadora Austral Broom servicing the Strait, but it's unclear how many were able to escape Punta Arenas. They are the The Fueguino, Yaghan, Melinka, and the Pionero. It seems 2 were berthed in Punta Arenas , with another 2 berthed at the Puerto Progreso crossing. I ask the Admiral of the Navy to evaluate the viability of utilizing these or other vessels if worst comes to worst. There may also be the possibility of using C-130's to get our troops out of Franco Bianco airbase, but that's outside my pay grade and I ask El Commandante to advise what our options are there. Ideally, we will not need to avail ourselves of these options, but they do also offer the possibility of being used to supply a future offensive so I wager these preparations may bear fruit in the future regardless.

Putting it out to the Floor

Does anybody have any feedback, alternative taskings for the ground forces, or new information that they would like to bring up or add? We don't have room to make mistakes or ignore blind spots, so now is the time to speak up. Our comrades on the ground need the best from us, so let's do just that. El Commandante, ultimately the success of our operations rest in your hands and it's my duty to deliver on your Intent. If you deem it necessary to change up the plan, just say the word and we'll make it so.

Kaal
May 22, 2002

through thousands of posts in D&D over a decade, I now believe I know what I'm talking about. if I post forcefully and confidently, I can convince others that is true. no one sees through my facade.

Mederlock posted:

Preparing for the worst

As favourable as it would be to maintain a foothold on Tierra del Fuego, we must prepare for the worst case scenario. If PLAGF punch through our defenses on Y-65 or elsewhere, we will have no other recourse than to retreat with haste to the Franco Bianco airport and the ferry terminal near Puerto Progreso, and utilize some combination of air lift and sea lift to evacuate our forces off the island. There are 3 or 4 civilian ferry's operated by Transbordadora Austral Broom servicing the Strait, but it's unclear how many were able to escape Punta Arenas. They are the The Fueguino, Yaghan, Melinka, and the Pionero. It seems 2 were berthed in Punta Arenas , with another 2 berthed at the Puerto Progreso crossing. I ask the Admiral of the Navy to evaluate the viability of utilizing these or other vessels if worst comes to worst. There may also be the possibility of using C-130's to get our troops out of Franco Bianco airbase, but that's outside my pay grade and I ask El Commandante to advise what our options are there. Ideally, we will not need to avail ourselves of these options, but they do also offer the possibility of being used to supply a future offensive so I wager these preparations may bear fruit in the future regardless.





As I'm sure you're aware, the outcome of attempting a mechanized littoral retreat while under fire would be extremely doubtful. Some of the amphibious vehicles such as the M113's would likely be able to make the crossing at Puerto Progresso if they were prepared to do so, and they would need to act as a rear-guard while the other forces attempted to retreat via ferry. The ships in question, if they are indeed available, have very limited vehicular capacity. All the armor and artillery would need to be left behind, and even transporting the Piranha's would be extremely slow with each trip moving 10 or fewer of them. Realistically, we'd be lucky to get out all of the troops even if they were crammed together. I am prepared to order the Argentinian surface fleet into action if a retreat were required, and they could potentially assist with an emergency troop embarkation, but it would be very messy business and the commander would likely be forced to surrender part of their forces.

code:
Fueguino (the other three ferries are similar or slightly smaller)
Length: 70,6 mts.
Beam: 15,80 mts.
GRT: 656
Vehicular capacity: 65 cars up to 4,8 mts. long or 10 lorries up to 18 mts.
Passenger capacity: 184

Kaal fucked around with this message at 00:09 on Oct 3, 2023

Elendil004
Mar 22, 2003

The prognosis
is not good.


Well, then retreat is not an option, forward only. We just have to pound them into dust from the air.

Space Kablooey
May 6, 2009


What about a fighting retreat to Campo Cerro Manatiales? Lose some ground so we can at least have the PLAGF funneled in at the peninsula from one direction...

Mederlock
Jun 23, 2012

You won't recognize Canada when I'm through with it
Grimey Drawer

Space Kablooey posted:

What about a fighting retreat to Campo Cerro Manatiales? Lose some ground so we can at least have the PLAGF funneled in at the peninsula from one direction...

Unfortunately the terrain there is essentially flat, and if we did pull back prematurely, we'd be ceding the airfield without a fight, as well as letting the PLAGF consolidate their two brigades on a much smaller frontage. I thought about that too, but I feel using the hilly terrain south of the airbase to split up their two brigades and concentrate their columns into easier targets along the valleys keeps us in a stronger position.

Ultimately, if the fly boys can't do enough damage to the OPFOR brigades or we fail to drop the bridges, retreating to that position may be our last recourse regardless. As much as I'd like to emulate the example of the Dunkirk Evacuation, it appears we do not have the resources to extract our forces safely in a reasonable timeframe. Making the PLAGF bleed for every valley and hill before we fall back seems to me to be the wisest course of action

Kaal
May 22, 2002

through thousands of posts in D&D over a decade, I now believe I know what I'm talking about. if I post forcefully and confidently, I can convince others that is true. no one sees through my facade.
Not to be a doomsayer, but I agree that this is an operation where failure is not an option. Remember that Dunkirk saved the British forces only by abandoning all their equipment and dooming the French. It took years for the British Army to recover.

All that being said, it would be wise to prepare by securing those ferries that are available, and find them berths at Puerto Progresso for use in extremis. The land combat commanders should identify a priority list of their forces for orderly withdrawal. If combat air missions in the Tierra del Fuego area of operations do not go well, the ferries should immediately be put to use transiting those units over while it is possible to do so.

Ferries are apparently capable of crossing the strait in about 30 minutes, meaning each one could effectively carry perhaps 350 soldiers, 50 light vehicles, or 10 medium vehicles every hour. Even this relatively slow pace would come to a dead halt during a firefight. Without time and preparation, I would expect that the Argentinian Brigade would be reduced to only a couple of infantry regiments.

There’s some videos available here of what these ferries look like in operation:

https://maps.app.goo.gl/XCrSweediv6fQhJf6?g_st=ic

Kaal fucked around with this message at 00:35 on Oct 3, 2023

Elendil004
Mar 22, 2003

The prognosis
is not good.





Elendil004 fucked around with this message at 00:49 on Oct 3, 2023

Kaal
May 22, 2002

through thousands of posts in D&D over a decade, I now believe I know what I'm talking about. if I post forcefully and confidently, I can convince others that is true. no one sees through my facade.
These are just fantastic!

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013



Reminder that you can use these functions. If you bring it to Google Earth, you can see a good 3D view and get various other map tools. Downloaded KML can be opened in several map tools for your use.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost
Aboard the British submarine, this extended global conflict and the hardships have taken a terrific toll on the enlisted sailors. But they still make their tea.


Meanwhile, the officers prepare for a sporting adventure!

Elendil004
Mar 22, 2003

The prognosis
is not good.


Featuring a quote by General José de San Martín


I also made some "enemy bad" propaganda but it kind of just makes China look badass.

Negostrike
Aug 15, 2015


We should have CAS from Peruvian Su-25s to deal with ground targets (also that SAM) and MIG-29s and F-5s patrolling the region to deal with possible hostile aircraft. I'd like to preserve the F-16s for now but I'm all ears for suggestions.

I believe using C-130s for retreat evac would be too risky. Will depend on how hot it'd be if poo poo goes south and for us to retreat I'd imagine pretty hot. Let's fight with big cojones, ok.

What's the weather forecast for the morning of the 15th?

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013
Mostly Clear skies, 20 degrees celcius.

Space Kablooey
May 6, 2009


Negostrike posted:

We should have CAS from Peruvian Su-25s to deal with ground targets (also that SAM) and MIG-29s and F-5s patrolling the region to deal with possible hostile aircraft. I'd like to preserve the F-16s for now but I'm all ears for suggestions.

I believe using C-130s for retreat evac would be too risky. Will depend on how hot it'd be if poo poo goes north and for us to retreat I'd imagine pretty hot. Let's fight with big cojones, ok.

What's the weather forecast for the morning of the 15th?

ftfy

Mederlock
Jun 23, 2012

You won't recognize Canada when I'm through with it
Grimey Drawer

:discourse:

Negostrike
Aug 15, 2015


Yes I stand corrected

Taps
Aug 14, 2009
Sir! This memo on additional logistical resources has just arrived:









(What does this mean? Air Goons isn't only military flight simulation. There are a lot of us who also fly civilian simulators as well, and some of us who almost only participate in civilian simulation and flight. We welcome all sorts of airplane nerds. Often there is not much "gamefication" of civilian simming outside of some economy sims. Now that we have identified a number of real life logistical air assets based on civilian aircraft that only exist in Xplane and MSFS, our civilian pilots can be tasked with anything from a long haul transport of troops from an ally country to a rear base, maritime recon missions, or frontline base deliveries under SAM threat.

The commanders should decide what there is a need for and charter flights according to the listed capabilities. Please consider this an open invitation to engage with our civiilian simmers!)


For those of you who use audio descriptive tools, here's the PDF with links for further reading, followed by a dot txt of plain text: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachme...2d41770e12e136&
Plain Text: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachme...241bd4236fa744&

Taps fucked around with this message at 04:04 on Oct 3, 2023

Kaal
May 22, 2002

through thousands of posts in D&D over a decade, I now believe I know what I'm talking about. if I post forcefully and confidently, I can convince others that is true. no one sees through my facade.


Good evening all, this is ARA Admiral Sampaio:

The admiralty has coordinated with the staff officers and is prepared to issue the naval orders discussed earlier (https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?goto=post&postid=534983907):



The Chilean Fleet is ordered to sail south down through the archipelago in order to enact a campaign to INTERDICT reinforcements of the Puntas Arenas offensive. When the ARA Veinticinco de Mayo carrier enters within range and begins preparing the A-4 attack, the surface warships and Marine regiment will be released to sustain the attack within the protected confines of the nature reserve. An Argentinean P-3 Orion will be ordered to Loc A to perform aerial reconnaissance and identify targets of opportunity.

The Argentinian Fleet is ordered to sail south to Puerto Rio Gallegos to protect critical resupply against attacks by the 1st PLAN Fleet, and to be available to defend the Tierra del Fuego area of operation should they be needed. The destroyer ARA La Argentina may be the critical linchpin required to coordinate and support the various SACA operations that will revolve around it.

The Brazilian Fleet is ordered to Puerto San Julian to undergo necessary refit and resupply. The NAeL Minas Gerais carrier is badly needed, so a servicing duration estimate is requested as soon as feasible. The standing FAB P-3 Orion patrol near Loc C should hopefully provide ample information about any 2nd PLAN Fleet movement towards the anchored fleet.

The submarines ARA San Juan and CNS O'Higgins are hereby released from patrol duties and ordered to conduct a RAID against PLAN logistic ships near Isla Malvinas. An Argentinean P-3 Orion will be ordered to Loc D to provide targeting information to those submarines as possible, as well as to provide warning against any offensives by the 3rd PLAN fleet.

Details to follow.

«Irse a pique antes que rendir el pabellón!«

Kaal fucked around with this message at 03:42 on Oct 3, 2023

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Vahakyla
May 3, 2013
Naval Plans will now be executed. No more changes until the next gameday. We'll probably roll time forward in a few days. The friendly submarines and P-3 patrol will appear on the map to track.

Marked in map: https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=1RHYRehltgtfH02o6Yn9JgBmaHt2XqZs&ll=-49.305621599999995%2C-67.7123332&z=8

Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 04:54 on Oct 3, 2023

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