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I read online the talks today are at SAG’s office. Could it be any more obvious that the studios are coming back tail between their legs?
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Oct 2, 2023 15:07
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fart blood posted:My understanding is the bill Newsom vetoed wouldn’t even apply to the current strikes so it doesn’t give SAG leverage anyway. How would the bill not apply to the current strike?
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FlamingLiberal posted:What I don’t know is whether or not the Dems in the CA Legislature have the votes for an override They do but they won't. The CA legislature is notorious for not having overridden a veto in like 40 years. Edit: From a 2022 CA Senate report: "While the Legislature can override a governor’s veto by a two-thirds vote in both houses, this action is rare and has not occurred since 1980. During the 1979–80 session, the Legislature overrode the governor’s veto of two bills and eight items in the budget bill. Before that, the governor’s veto had been overridden on only two occasions since 1973." This isn't even the most popular bill he's vetoed although it's one of the more nationally visible ones.
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Oct 2, 2023 18:10
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Willo567 posted:How would the bill not apply to the current strike? I have no idea. I’m going by random comments I saw online. The only reason I believe it is because that sounds like something democrats would do; passing something that can’t be done just yet is the democrats MO.
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Happy Landfill posted:Oh my god Republicans are still going to call him a commie and not vote for him republicans like communists now
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Oct 2, 2023 20:51
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SAG-AFTRA and the AMPTP are negotiating again on Wednesday.
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Oct 3, 2023 03:16
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Article says the deal could take weeks to settle. That sounds like studios leaking bullshit to me.
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fart blood posted:Article says the deal could take weeks to settle. If it’s “an article” it almost definitely studio-sanctioned/PMC-endorsed propaganda. That said, I hope it’s true—we haven’t been on the picket lines for five loving months for our NegComm to play softball, particularly with our faces/voices/bodies/“general likeness”es
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blinkeve1826 posted:If it’s “an article” it almost definitely studio-sanctioned/PMC-endorsed propaganda. That said, I hope it’s true—we haven’t been on the picket lines for five loving months for our NegComm to play softball, particularly with our faces/voices/bodies/“general likeness”es Oh I’m sure. The trades are the studio voices. I’m just saying it sounds like bullshit because the studios very obviously know what they have to do and the actors very obviously know what they want or are willing to concede on, so I can’t imagine lawyers haven’t already been working to iron all this out with them on both sides of the table. The “it could take weeks” thing just sounds like it’s trying to kill morale instead of getting any details right.
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Oct 3, 2023 18:40
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It's interesting, over the past two days there have been a few celebrities posting about their likeness being used in AI-generated online ads. One was Tom Hanks, the other Mr. Beast (the Youtube guy). Having these kinds of incidents happen during SAG negotiations has to strengthen their position, but I just worry the toothpaste is already out of the tube on this issue.
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Oct 3, 2023 21:08
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VorpalBunny posted:It's interesting, over the past two days there have been a few celebrities posting about their likeness being used in AI-generated online ads. One was Tom Hanks, the other Mr. Beast (the Youtube guy). Having these kinds of incidents happen during SAG negotiations has to strengthen their position, but I just worry the toothpaste is already out of the tube on this issue. The toothpaste is absolutely out of the tube and it’s always like that with technology. You can’t put this genie back in the bottle. The only recourse anyone has is laws that will ensure AI isn’t used maliciously without consequences but good look getting old people in government to understand any of this.
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Oct 3, 2023 21:41
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Do sports promos and commercials not count regarding the actors strike? I was at the Prudential Center yesterday, and they had Patrick Warburton filming a promo or something on the ice. Made me do a doubletake.
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AlternateNu posted:Do sports promos and commercials not count regarding the actors strike? I was at the Prudential Center yesterday, and they had Patrick Warburton filming a promo or something on the ice. Made me do a doubletake. I don't know about sports promos but commercials where you already had a contract were not covered by the strike.
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AlternateNu posted:Do sports promos and commercials not count regarding the actors strike? I was at the Prudential Center yesterday, and they had Patrick Warburton filming a promo or something on the ice. Made me do a doubletake. They're striking against AMPTP members. They're not supposed to do work that's for AMPTP companies, or work that would be covered by the TV/movie contract. But filming a promo for the NHL or something, that's not an AMPTP company and it's not covered by the contract. The SAG-AFTRA commercials contract is still in effect.
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Pinterest Mom posted:They're striking against AMPTP members. They're not supposed to do work that's for AMPTP companies, or work that would be covered by the TV/movie contract. But filming a promo for the NHL or something, that's not an AMPTP company and it's not covered by the contract. The SAG-AFTRA commercials contract is still in effect. See also the IATSE strike and sports coverage which continued uninterrupted
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AlternateNu posted:Do sports promos and commercials not count regarding the actors strike? I was at the Prudential Center yesterday, and they had Patrick Warburton filming a promo or something on the ice. Made me do a doubletake. Promos and commercials fall under entirely separate contracts--the SAG-AFTRA contract currently struck is the main TV/Theatrical Agreement (and all of the agreements that fall under it--Low Budget/Modified Low Budget/Ultra Low Budget/etc).
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Oct 4, 2023 06:21
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fart blood posted:The toothpaste is absolutely out of the tube and it’s always like that with technology. You can’t put this genie back in the bottle.
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LividLiquid posted:Feels like making deep fakes of said politicians with the proverbial dead girl or live boy would change this in a fuckin' hurry. I mean, there is a deepfake AI Trump vs Biden "debate" that has been running non-stop on Twitch for multiple months now.
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Oct 4, 2023 18:29
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The technology absolutely exists. We just need the right bill, the right targets, and the right video content. Show them why it's bad for them, personally. They don't care about anybody else.
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LividLiquid posted:Feels like making deep fakes of said politicians with the proverbial dead girl or live boy would change this in a fuckin' hurry. You’d think that but our elected officials are obscenely stupid as I’m sure you already know.
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Mordiceius posted:I mean, there is a deepfake AI Trump vs Biden "debate" that has been running non-stop on Twitch for multiple months now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgREV-fPXE0 Correct
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https://x.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1709675651718852757?s=20 Article says the show's 3 WGA writers, Chelsea White, Cristina Kinon and Liz Koe, turned down an offer to return. thrawn527 fucked around with this message at 22:12 on Oct 4, 2023 |
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fart blood posted:You’d think that but our elected officials are obscenely stupid as I’m sure you already know.
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Eerily quiet about today’s talks. (I know there’s a media blackout but that never stopped leaks before)
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Can we please just end it already? I'm tired of seeing my non-writer, non-actor film industry friends struggle.
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Oct 5, 2023 03:42
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You'd assume AMPTP would try and get this over now, would be incredibly stupid to try hardball SAG-AFTRA. But who knows, dragging it out this long wasn't very smart either. Guess they could try a "Sorry Writers took all our money  " to generate some ill will between the two groups for next time round.
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JoylessJester posted:Guess they could try a "Sorry Writers took all our money Or a "The writers were so nice but the actors are all refusing to budge" There's a ton of ways to try and drive a wedge between the talent during a strike
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I think it's less that and more very very particular issues around use of AI for actor likenesses, and very particular residual issues, that are harder to sort out than anything else. Which shows how wrong I was since I figured it'd be a fast follower after the studios caved for the writers. I'm just frustrated that they aren't meeting every day instead of every other day. I don't feel a real sense of urgency when it's every other day.
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The Writers strike was about compensation. AI was not a particularly big issue, despite both the trades and mainstream media talking about it so much because it's en vogue. For SAG though AI and control of likeness is a live issue right now. It's just far more complicated to navigate.
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I presume the AMPTP are playing dumb like "b-b-but we already have rules about likeness rights for publicity stills and such, what's the big deal?"
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The WGA's members ratified the new contract with the AMPTP with 99% support, officially ending their strike.
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Well done to the WGA, and I hope SAG-AFTRA also gets the best deal possible, and soon.
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Edward Mass posted:The WGA's members ratified the new contract with the AMPTP with 99% support, officially ending their strike. 8,435 “yes” votes and 90 “no” votes. Did Taylor Sheridan somehow vote 90 times?
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You know what? This is as good a time as any for me to divulge some bits about me. As a few of you may know, I am a struggling actor living in Texas (I refer to it as my day job because the job I have that puts food on my table is primarily done at night). I routinely get audition notifications from the usual sources, but 9/10 times the audition time has passed by the time it reaches my email. This didn't use to happen before the COVID-19 pandemic, mainly because of the "self-tape". The self-explanatory self-tape was understandable for a time, but like a lot of things that we had to do during the darkest days of the pandemic, the whole thing sucked. And it still sucks! I much prefer auditioning live, so that I can get a feeling for the directors and whatnot. The ability to react is pretty much the key to any actor's performance, and self-tapes don't give a chance to react. There's also geographic discrimination, which is also important for me as a Texan actor, but self-tapes are a bigger bugbear for me.
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That can't be a good way to find people for roles either. Making a self tape also seems like it 2ould automatically start involving a whole lot of non-acting skills too.
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Looks like the SAG-AFTRA talks aren’t going as well as anticipated. They just sent this email to members:quote:Dear (Members),
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