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The best one for me was when FFVII Remake showed off Aerith, who was clearly in her twenties and could definitely not be misconstrued as a teenager, so someone immediately "improved" her design by giving her a perfectly round child face.
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:Absolutely the funniest part of the Baldur's Gate 3 release was the contingent of people whining on forums that 'all the women are ugly', that western game companies and cinema 'don't understand beauty', and specifically contrasted western RPGs/cinema with JRPGs and anime. This, in a game that featured multiple female romance interests clearly designed as nerd fantasies. Well pretty much yeah. Also the people in game looked totally fine just that they were uhhh..ADULTS. Doctor_Fruitbat posted:The best one for me was when FFVII Remake showed off Aerith, who was clearly in her twenties and could definitely not be misconstrued as a teenager, so someone immediately "improved" her design by giving her a perfectly round child face. Godammit you beat me to it. I remember there was a huge stink being raised about her face being too western that I thought was absolutely psychotic. Apparently they want her to look like a 9 year old or something.
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Will again, always, recommend Monster. No anime tropes. A neurosurgeon tracks down a serial killer, lots of European politics and class criticism, a college-aged woman is the female protagonist and is never sexualized. Naoki Urasawa writes his women as people, not Female Characters. And for the crying immortal boy in Pluto: That's Astroboy. Astroboy is a Frankenstein's monster to his dad, the kid has earned the right to cry. He's a good boy who gets treated as a little boy. Also check out 20th Century Boys: Apocalypse, cults, and rock n' roll. Holy gently caress, I love Naoki Urasawa. Read him if you hate anime tropes.
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The anime for Pluto comes out this month. Also the Fionna & Cake soundtrack is on streaming.
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:The best one for me was when FFVII Remake showed off Aerith, who was clearly in her twenties and could definitely not be misconstrued as a teenager, so someone immediately "improved" her design by giving her a perfectly round child face. Also complaining that they made Tifa's chest too small by bringing up the extremely stylized by necessity original in-game graphics and revealing they've never actually seen a real breast outside of Pornhub.
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:The best one for me was when FFVII Remake showed off Aerith, who was clearly in her twenties and could definitely not be misconstrued as a teenager, so someone immediately "improved" her design by giving her a perfectly round child face. Holy poo poo I completely forgot about this. They also got really weird about her (completely normal) nose because noses are masculine apparently.
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Oct 3, 2023 23:52
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mycot posted:Holy poo poo I completely forgot about this. They also got really weird about her (completely normal) nose because noses are masculine apparently. Whenever I see something like this I'm tempted to send them a picture of a Grey alien and ask if this is their waifu. I mean you got the thin neck, huge head, giant eyes and nonexistent nose and mouth. Just slap a wig and some fake titties on it and boom.
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Flopsy posted:Whenever I see something like this I'm tempted to send them a picture of a Grey alien and ask if this is their waifu. I mean you got the thin neck, huge head, giant eyes and nonexistent nose and mouth. Just slap a wig and some fake titties on it and boom. There's more rule 34 porn of ET in a dress than you will be comfortable with.
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PJOmega posted:There's more rule 34 porn of ET in a dress than you will be comfortable with. I don't know what to do with this information now that it's in my life
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Flopsy posted:Whenever I see something like this I'm tempted to send them a picture of a Grey alien and ask if this is their waifu. I mean you got the thin neck, huge head, giant eyes and nonexistent nose and mouth. Just slap a wig and some fake titties on it and boom.  
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mutantIke posted:what's this from? looks cool Franken Fran and I was actually referencing this chapter directly LOL. It's a horror manga with a pretty dark satirical bent. This from chapter 37 about an actress trying to make her big break by getting plastic surgery to look like an anime character. It's kind of one long deconstruction of how that kind of body would actually function. *spoilers* Not loving great.
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re: Fionna and Cake, loved the ending I had Everything Stays stuck in my head while I re-watched Episode 8, and realized that Ice King's silly Everything Bagel song is literally just Everything Stays but Ice King forgot the lyrics. Super cute little easter egg.
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there's plenty of good anime out there that is as close to caveat-free as you could hope for. watch barakamon, sakura quest, acca-13, bocchi the rock, a place further than the universe, get your hands off eizouken, sonny boy, chihayafuru, kaiji, mushishi, natsume's book of friends, and (for the sake of ex-Games mod Metis of the Hallways) revue starlight i'm not saying these are all COMPLETELY caveat-free but you'll be fine The 7th Guest fucked around with this message at 03:34 on Oct 4, 2023 |
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It's not like there's much that's on-topic for this thread that's caveat-free either.
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Taear posted:With the possible exception of Attack on Titan (it has fascist and weird gender stuff but no weird sex stuff) I feel like every single anime TV show I have to preface it with "If you ignore," and it is pretty poo poo. Carlton Banks Teller posted:I feel this so hard. I wish I could get into it because I love animation but there just ... if it isn't overt fan-service weirdness I just am not a fan of hard-line gender roles and that seems to be where Japanese media is (at least in regards to women). look its fine to point out grody stuff in shows but it loving sucks to see people smugly implying all anime (except for Your Faves™) is for sexist pedos and all of japan is terrible and evil for it like some self hating anime fan instead of just going "yeah that poo poo sucks", cause every genre and medium has some bad stuff in it you don't gotta be Racist and cede all perceptions of japan to bad tv shows or right wing freaks who love saying japan is filled with bigots like them, especially because i never see people do this kind of generalization about western shows also g gundam absolutely has politics that aren't punch?? like punching is a big part of it but, its also very environmentalist and anti war by showing a world on the brink of collapse and questioning whether making war into an olympics is a good thing
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I'm sure it's not all anime, but themes that are at the very least troubling are extremely prominent. I've got a tween niece who loves anime, so when she came to town I took her to the local shop. loving yikes. I get that there's more to it, but you certainly can't blame people for not wanting to venture any further.
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Good news for ME!quote:Warner Bros. Discovery recently outlined its ratings successes for the year so far in a new press release, and for Adult Swim noted that My Adventures with Superman "ranked #1 in its timeslot among Men 18-34 and is the #2 highest-rated original freshman series for the network this year among Adults 18-49 and 18-34 and among Men 18-49 and 18-34." Which means that the debut season really drew a lot of attention, and now fans can look forward to the now in production second season. https://comicbook.com/anime/amp/news/my-adventures-with-superman-adult-swim-ratings-hit/ I think I mentioned S2 is either nearly or entirely in the can. Further seasons are getting pitched and I'm supposed to be hearing this week if they get greenlit. Which means I'll have regular work again! I'm usually pretty good about living on savings, but I had to move earlier this year and I'm about to have surgery (Technology can fix my lovely eyes now!), so I'm really glad to hear MAWS was successful in the boardroom numbers sense.
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Pararoid posted:I'm sure it's not all anime, but themes that are at the very least troubling are extremely prominent.
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Das Boo posted:Good news for ME! Huh… did not realize that was an adult swim show. Guess I should watch it. Also I aged out of the prime demo 
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Das Boo posted:Good news for ME! I caught it on Max when half the episodes were out and was pleasantly surprised by it. I'm glad it was popular enough to get more episodes. Here's hoping its used as proof that taking an axe to animated shows is stupid. Also yeah, I am a couple of years older than the prime demo.
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i am a moron posted:Huh… did not realize that was an adult swim show. Guess I should watch it. Also I aged out of the prime demo Eh... It was meant for CN, but got shifted to AS 3 months before release because CN's dying. It's more of an all-ages thing that doesn't push sex or violence. That said, it's very cute and enjoyable. Extremely Easter eggy; we had a lotta fun.
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Oh cool, something I can watch with my kids then. We all love watching adventure time together
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Yes, absolutely! It's a very sweet little show and a lot of people were wondering why the hell it ended up on AS, lol.
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Open Source Idiom posted:I like Gurren Lagann, but it's sexist and homophobic as all get out. Particularly given that spiral power is machismo / big dick energy, and then they decide to extend the metaphor when a character dies by getting drilled through the butt. i think the more interesting/fraught/evil politics of Gurren Lagann is that it's hard to ignore how much the struggle to be free of lordgenome and the population control/containment policies of the anti-spirals evoke Japan becoming a client-state and being forcibly demilitarized by the united states after the war. Of course, japan-as-client-state is an absolutely horrendous status quo irl - look at the unaccountably abusive behavior of US servicemembers stationed in Japan - but it's also a powerful motivator for the same right-wing parties that push for remilitarization while denying imperial war crimes.
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The 7th Guest posted:not wanting to venture into an entire country's output?? i feel like this is just a case of finding a better source of recommendations than whoever has recommended stuff to you before (or just picking stuff to watch at random) I'm not really in the position to control what she watches like that, I was just reflecting on the extremely dodgy action figures and images that absolutely fill the local shop called "Anime House".
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Just this season a few caveat-free anime series are going on, Like Frieren and Helck. So if you do want to watch something not made in the US. Frieren is about an Elf that is living out her life after having gone on a 10 year journey to beat the demon king, and She's a basically immortal Elf and has to deal with people who aren't. Helck is about a hero who abandons the human world to join with the demon world, and joins a trial to become the demon king. It starts slow and goofy, but once you get into the lore of the world it picks up. I'm also pretty sure Delicious in Dungeon (Dungeon Meshi) and Shangra-la Frontier are mostly Caveat Free as well, but they are very early on or not out yet. Dengeon Meshi should be good, but I think there might be some non-sexualized nudity. I don't think Shangra-la has anything in it, but there are a lot of jokes about the main character being a perv, since his outfit is a fake bird head and some modest briefs that he wears cause, like a true gamer, only the stats matter. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsTbPKiGQdo
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Continuing to work through my second viewing of Pantheon with a friend who's never seen it before. Still a great show. I like that it's effectively a cyberpunk piece, but without many of the visual markers we typically associate with the genre. It's mostly not set in cities and instead spends a lot of time in small desert towns, the technology is contemporary-ish, the fashion is modern and the music is recent. The characters are a bit more typical, though they're also modulated to fit with the show's quotidian qualities e.g. highschool outcast Justine would absolutely be a heavy/merc in something a bit more traditional. When the show dips into its more genre heavy elements it mostly goes low horror or high fantasy, but it'll also do really cool things that play with its SFal qualities where it'll play with the bodies of its performers in ways live action can't achieve. I appreciate that the performances are toned way down too, it fits what they're doing here -- there's a lot of character in the animation that you don't get with a lot of other productions, which means that the production doesn't have to lean on the voice actors to provide these exaggerated, stylised performances to substitute. Which, yeah, is good, since the series is about the physical and the body, and its attempting to generate a more grounded aesthetic in order to make its points. I reckon Taylor Schilling gives a particularly good, nuanced performances in her demented psychosexual drama, though she's playing by far the showiest character in the human cast. (Though no one in the couch is a slouch; and this thing is WAY overcast, Lara Pulver turns up to deliver some news chyrons and gently caress off). I mentioned music earlier. I love that they splurged for a big song or two every episode. It's a really big part of the show's vibe, and even though some of the choices are incredibly on the nose (for a while, that cover of "Don't Dream It's Over" was a very dark joke) it all really works for me.
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Das Boo posted:Yes, absolutely! It's a very sweet little show and a lot of people were wondering why the hell it ended up on AS, lol. Congrats! You've helped make a great show. Glad it's getting the attention it deserves.
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I'm just gonna come out and say I absolutely do not hate all anime. And hell there's a lot of loving amazing ones even from "problematic" studios like Trigger; I loved Promare, I love Cowboy Bebop and Samurai Champloo, Trigun Stampede is amazing and so is the works of Miyazaki and Junji Ito. I can pick plenty of examples I like just fine however I'm not wrong when I say it's like picking seashells out from the beach. There's a lot of dross and I get tired when I think I found something good and it turns out the protagonist wants to gently caress his underage cousin or something. It's just a bummer it's like this. But that's why we talk about it here to recommend good stuff to each other. It's not all crap after all. Juuuust mostly Isekai.....
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Pararoid posted:I'm sure it's not all anime, but themes that are at the very least troubling are extremely prominent. The 7th Guest posted:not wanting to venture into an entire country's output?? i feel like this is just a case of finding a better source of recommendations than whoever has recommended stuff to you before (or just picking stuff to watch at random)
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There's a lot of stuff in US animation that is tasteless as well. Family Guy has Quagmire, Rick and Morty had that weird rear end incest season, and them there's all those old Looney Tunes cartoon from WWII. We just get it drowned out by the actual quality stuff and the Live Action shows, of which we never really see from Japan. That said, some anime is awful and shouldn't have made it to air (looking at you Redo of Healer, which I have heard enough about to steer clear of). Someone who knows more can probably comment more on it, but I know some of the creepy sex stuff was a plan in someway pushed by their government to combat their declining birth rate. Which is really hosed up. It's sort of like how Florida is letting teachers show Prager U videos to classes.
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I think that birth rate thing is just a joke. And that the series that I'm used to seeing that joke pegged with are ones about characters getting married or (usually) adopting children. I.e. the procreate meme. The bawdy and nsfw sort of anime are typically blamed for declining birth rates.
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Anora posted:There's a lot of stuff in US animation that is tasteless as well. Family Guy has Quagmire, Rick and Morty had that weird rear end incest season,. I can't speak for Family Guy, but there's a huge difference between edgy jokes that upset middle class decorum and lolicon/lolicon adjacent poo poo. Every country has stuff, every country is racist and stupid and brutish, but this comparison doesn't work for me.
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Anora posted:Someone who knows more can probably comment more on it, but I know some of the creepy sex stuff was a plan in someway pushed by their government to combat their declining birth rate. Which is really hosed up. It's sort of like how Florida is letting teachers show Prager U videos to classes. after reading this post, ive made a ruling here that nobody here is allowed to mention anime, or anything less american than Caillou, ever again
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Anora posted:There's a lot of stuff in US animation that is tasteless as well. Family Guy has Quagmire, Rick and Morty had that weird rear end incest season, and them there's all those old Looney Tunes cartoon from WWII. We just get it drowned out by the actual quality stuff and the Live Action shows, of which we never really see from Japan. Family Guy has Herbert too, which…ugh.
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Everyone should watch American Dad, it’s not afraid to go full surrealist.
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The_Doctor posted:Everyone should watch American Dad, it’s not afraid to go full surrealist. “Hey, we kind of want to do a multiverse thing and also Shaggy is in town…”
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Vandar posted:Family Guy has Herbert too, which…ugh. Also sometimes they would lean really hard into 'ironic' racism with Cleveland (which is, spoiler, just racism).
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Xelkelvos posted:I think that birth rate thing is just a joke. And that the series that I'm used to seeing that joke pegged with are ones about characters getting married or (usually) adopting children. I.e. the procreate meme. The bawdy and nsfw sort of anime are typically blamed for declining birth rates. I'm not 100% on the details, I'd just heard from multiple sources about it in non-joke ways. Not trying to defend the creepy anime stuff. I wish there were more normal people into anime so we could get better opinions over what is good instead of seeing reviews from places that are so deep they've become at best numb to the caveats. I'd like to stop having people tell me I should watch Shield Hero or Jobless Reincarnation, and then just being like  5 or less episodes in.That said I just finished Fionna and Cake and that show is really good. It starts slow, but kicks it into such a high gear at the end. I really wish more legacy shows would work like it did, adding and shaping context to the rest of the show. Feels like most of the rehashes end up either being only nostalgia bait or subversions. Also turning Ice King from an annoying villain into one of the best characters in the show is amazing, something I'd like to see more of, especially if the villain is just kind of goofy and not IDW Megatron levels of evil.
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