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icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


Re: toxicity

You have to take into consideration that like 1/3 of all cards in the game are harassment cards, in addition to the emoji stuff. Galactus/Alioth/Evo/Even a bunch of pool 3 cards like the goblins and scorpion are toxic and unfun to play against

It does seem to me that considering everything the level of toxicity in this game is very high, though I haven’t played other online card games or LoL or anything besides counter strike

icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 00:30 on Oct 4, 2023

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Drowning Rabbit
Oct 28, 2003

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!

Fate Accomplice posted:

cozy's bounce from this morning:

# (1) The Hood
# (1) Kitty Pryde
# (1) Bast
# (2) Angela
# (2) Elsa Bloodstone
# (2) Jeff the Baby Land Shark
# (2) Mysterio
# (3) Bishop
# (3) Hit-Monkey
# (3) Beast
# (5) Iron Man
# (6) America Chavez
#
eyJDYXJkcyI6W3siQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiSG9vZCJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiS2l0dHlQcnlkZSJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiQmFzdCJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiQW5nZWxhIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJFbHNhQmxvb2RzdG9uZSJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiSmVmZlRoZUJhYnlMYW5kU2hhcmsifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6Ik15c3RlcmlvIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJCaXNob3AifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IkhpdE1vbmtleSJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiQmVhc3QifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6Iklyb25NYW4ifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IkFtZXJpY2FDaGF2ZXoifV19
#

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UttSBf-_ut8

Any good subs for Jeff and Hit Monkey? The only two cards I apparently don't have, which is shocking to me.

Also thanks for the info on America Chavez. I don't play with Iron Lad or Jubilee, so it makes sense it was a blind spot.

Opopanax
Aug 8, 2007

I HEX YE!!!


Am I reading Blob right? It gets the full power of your entire deck??

wyoak
Feb 14, 2005

a glass case of emotion

Fallen Rib
That’s what it sounds like to me

All of those cards are definitely interesting at first glance

FireWorksWell
Nov 27, 2014

(It's you!)


Firestar could be fun in a Mr. Neg deck

Sandwolf
Jan 23, 2007

i'll be harpo


Opopanax posted:

Am I reading Blob right? It gets the full power of your entire deck??

Yeah he basically gobbles the remainder of your deck and gets their power added to his. Interesting card

wyoak
Feb 14, 2005

a glass case of emotion

Fallen Rib
When would Havok be useful? Seems like a suicide card at first glance but maybe I’m not thinking of something

FireWorksWell
Nov 27, 2014

(It's you!)


Viper

wyoak
Feb 14, 2005

a glass case of emotion

Fallen Rib
Ok yeah that might be OP

Plus Selene+Goblins, yikes

Bad Video Games
Sep 17, 2017


Drowning Rabbit posted:

Any good subs for Jeff and Hit Monkey? The only two cards I apparently don't have, which is shocking to me.

Also thanks for the info on America Chavez. I don't play with Iron Lad or Jubilee, so it makes sense it was a blind spot.

If you don't have Hit Monkey, then you're essentially playing a different deck. Your turn 6 needs to be played very differently.

You could sub in any good 3 drop, but your deck would be slightly weaker overall. Thor or Spiderman, or even something like Cosmo, could work.

The easiest sub for Jeff is Nightcrawler. 1 less power, and you can't sneak him into places that Jeff can. But he can still proc Angela and Bishop and move out of the way.

Devo
Jul 9, 2001

:siren:Caught Cubs Posting:siren:
At this point you should really just have Jeff if you're playing even semi-seriously. Just spend the 6k, he's never going to drop. Jeff! is the new big bad.

Cattail Prophet
Apr 12, 2014

Blob seems like he'd help make Hela + Living Tribunal casino decks more consistent, while also increasing their ceiling when you do get the full combo off. You do need to squeeze in a ramp card for him to work as an alternate win-con, but Wave -> Blob -> Iron Man -> LT is a pretty good curve as long as you have the cards in hand before Blob eats the deck.

DrBouvenstein
Feb 28, 2007

I think I'm a doctor, but that doesn't make me a doctor. This fancy avatar does.

Opopanax posted:

Am I reading Blob right? It gets the full power of your entire deck??

The REMAINDER of your deck. So in a standard 6 turn match, no New Roma , Limbo, Asgard, or Crystal, you'll only have 3 cards left in your deck.

Any of the above reduce it to only 2 (possibly 1) card left.

Though he can pair nicely with Vibranium Mines.

bowmore
Oct 6, 2008



Lipstick Apathy

Fate Accomplice posted:

cozy's bounce from this morning:

# (1) The Hood
# (1) Kitty Pryde
# (1) Bast
# (2) Angela
# (2) Elsa Bloodstone
# (2) Jeff the Baby Land Shark
# (2) Mysterio
# (3) Bishop
# (3) Hit-Monkey
# (3) Beast
# (5) Iron Man
# (6) America Chavez
#
Iron Man feels a bit clunky to me

MagicCube
May 25, 2004

I've been running an Elsa counter deck that's been cleaning up pretty well for me so far. Invisible Woman and Abs Man put in some insane work here for possibly two Shadow Kings or Shang Chis on the final turn if needed and obviously Forge + Sinister/Brood to Abs Man is a great way to fill up lanes for Elsa to go off.

# (1) Kitty Pryde
# (2) Forge
# (2) Elsa Bloodstone
# (2) Luke Cage
# (2) Mister Sinister
# (2) Invisible Woman
# (2) Jeff the Baby Land Shark
# (2) Shadow King
# (3) Brood
# (3) Killmonger
# (4) Shang-Chi
# (4) Absorbing Man
#
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# To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and paste it from the deck editing menu in Snap.

victorious
Jul 2, 2007

As a youth I prayed, "Give me chastity and continence, but not yet."
Still no hold-to-open for Spotlight Caches. Sad!

Bad Video Games
Sep 17, 2017


Devo posted:

At this point you should really just have Jeff if you're playing even semi-seriously. Just spend the 6k, he's never going to drop. Jeff! is the new big bad.

Great advice. Not all of us are holding onto 6k tokens, and thanks to the changes to acquisition rates, we likely won't for several more months.

That's assuming us casuals don't take another several month long break.

victorious
Jul 2, 2007

As a youth I prayed, "Give me chastity and continence, but not yet."
Need this asap.

pray for my aunt
Feb 13, 2012

14980c8b8a96fd9e279796a61cf82c9c
Had some hoarded collectors caches to avoid opening a gold ticket at the end of the season, got 3 variants in a row. 2 good variants, even.

Kooriken
Dec 27, 2012

This thread is beneath my talent, but I....shall elevate it.
Firestar is going to get absolutely nuts with Elsa in the game. Imagine playing a 3 cost and Mysterio T5 and then Dropping Firestar to fill a location T6.

Opopanax
Aug 8, 2007

I HEX YE!!!


Electro-Blob-Living Tribunal is sure going to be fun to try. Seems like he'd fit in well as a backup to a Hela deck

Nikumatic
Feb 13, 2012

a fantastic machine made of meat

Opopanax posted:

Electro-Blob

turn on your monitor

obi_ant
Apr 8, 2005

If you missed the free conquest card, does it automatically get added into the 'normal' rotation?

FireWorksWell
Nov 27, 2014

(It's you!)


I'm pretty sure I saw Red Goblin in the store once

Snazzy Frocks
Mar 31, 2003

Scratchmo

FireWorksWell posted:

I'm pretty sure I saw Red Goblin in the store once

Carnegized variant was the conquest variant and they have repeatedly said they have no plans to reintroduce event and package variants to the store/etc

FireWorksWell
Nov 27, 2014

(It's you!)


Oops

Quackles
Aug 11, 2018

Pixels of Light.


icantfindaname posted:

It does seem to me that considering everything the level of toxicity in this game is very high, though I haven’t played other online card games or LoL or anything besides counter strike

As someone who played Hearthstone, you have not seen anything.

Opopanax
Aug 8, 2007

I HEX YE!!!


This is one of the filthiest things I've ever done

Waffleopolis
Apr 24, 2005

It's time....for the MAIN event!
Oh god yes they are continuing the idea of comic cover variants and this is the best one so far.

New Leaf
Jul 24, 2013

Dragon Balls? Are they tasty?
I guess daily credits were moved to the afternoon? Shows as being 13 hours for me. Normally they were like 11pm Eastern.

Jokymi
Jan 31, 2003

Sweet Sassy Molassy
Yeah, they changed the daily reset with this patch to correspond with a time when their offices are actually open so that they can more quickly address things like bugs with new cards and other unforeseen issues.

wyoak
Feb 14, 2005

a glass case of emotion

Fallen Rib
Elsa on cloning vats is fun
especially with a space throne

pray for my aunt
Feb 13, 2012

14980c8b8a96fd9e279796a61cf82c9c
attn alioth players

run

thebardyspoon
Jun 30, 2005

Waffleopolis posted:

Oh god yes they are continuing the idea of comic cover variants and this is the best one so far.



In the datamining it looked like there were multiple images for that one, it zoomed out and showed his hand doing the snap.

I assumed it was going to be the first “prestige variant” they’ve been talking about because of that.

doingitwrong
Jul 27, 2013

icantfindaname posted:

Re: toxicity

You have to take into consideration that like 1/3 of all cards in the game are harassment cards, in addition to the emoji stuff. Galactus/Alioth/Evo/Even a bunch of pool 3 cards like the goblins and scorpion are toxic and unfun to play against

This is a bit like claiming that bullets are harassment in a first person shooter.

The game isn’t solitaire. You are meant to interact with your opponents.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

doingitwrong posted:

This is a bit like claiming that bullets are harassment in a first person shooter.

The game isn’t solitaire. You are meant to interact with your opponents.

Yeah, this. Negative interaction cards may feel bad, but they're just interaction. Toxicity is when I say I hosed your mother and she wasn't worth the money, which is basically the only reason anyone ever emotes in this game.

(Note: to the best of my knowledge I have not hosed the OP's mother, with or without paying to do so, and as such hold no opinion on her sexual prowess and VFM if appropriate. It's just an example.)

Bad Video Games
Sep 17, 2017


icantfindaname posted:

Re: toxicity

You have to take into consideration that like 1/3 of all cards in the game are harassment cards, in addition to the emoji stuff. Galactus/Alioth/Evo/Even a bunch of pool 3 cards like the goblins and scorpion are toxic and unfun to play against

It does seem to me that considering everything the level of toxicity in this game is very high, though I haven’t played other online card games or LoL or anything besides counter strike

Sorry, but no. It can be seen as toxic when you're hit with a disruption card, but those are just tech cards. The only toxic cards are the ones that are so overpowered as to provide little or no counter play.

Leader, Galactus, Zabu, and Shuri were toxic in their original forms. Leader copied every card the opponent played, so he was essentially an auto win against many decks. Galactus didn't care about winning a lane, only that he was the only card on the lane. He used to be a 6/2 and was one of the most powerful cards in the game. Zabu used to lower the cost by 2. Double Spiderman was the most toxic poo poo in the world. And Shuri didn't have to have the target card played in her lane, so there was almost zero counter play against the deck at all. Once you saw Armor on 2 and Cosmo on 3, you pretty much already lost. Surfer probably belongs on that list as well, just due to how strong the deck was.

Alioth is in a similar position. At his current ability, he could be a 6/0 and still be an auto win. And given SD's history, he won't actually be fixed to a fair state for another 4 months at minimum. Right after he stops encouraging people to whale for him.

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



Ok, Elsa is by far the most OP Season Pass card since early Zabu or Surfer

There are a ton of ways to utilize her buff, more so if you have a location like Savage Land that puts cards in the lane

Snazzy Frocks
Mar 31, 2003

Scratchmo
I haven't seen much of her yet but I did see a lot of Loki

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Nybble
Jun 28, 2008

praise chuck, raise heck

Opopanax posted:

This is one of the filthiest things I've ever done



I’ve been staring at this and not figuring out how you got Alioth & Zola down on T5/T6

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